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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

Lennon1981

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Why could we? I still want to know who we were going to bring in that would have ticked the boxes of so many Spurs fans because the consensus on here was it would be Howe ... Eddie Howe of Bournemouth fame ...

I'm happy to hear who you would have taken the sack full of cash to to bring in ...

Ajax manager, wolves manager, Southampton manager, Leicester manager, Everton manager, inter manager. Rb Leipzig manager, Leeds manager.

Honestly Jose wouldn’t even have been in the top 10 managers I would have taken.

I’m not saying we would have got all of those but all of them would have been better IMO than the busted flush we are left with
 

Gb160

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Ajax manager, wolves manager, Southampton manager, Leicester manager, Everton manager, inter manager. Rb Leipzig manager, Leeds manager.

Honestly Jose wouldn’t even have been in the top 10 managers I would have taken.

I’m not saying we would have got all of those but all of them would have been better IMO than the busted flush we are left with
Jesus Christ...you don't even know their names, do you?
 
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Ajax manager, wolves manager, Southampton manager, Leicester manager, Everton manager, inter manager. Rb Leipzig manager, Leeds manager.

Honestly Jose wouldn’t even have been in the top 10 managers I would have taken.

I’m not saying we would have got all of those but all of them would have been better IMO than the busted flush we are left with
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Ya got me good.

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SirHarryHotspur

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Why all the continued Jose bashing , when he joined we were 6 points above the relegation zone , we are now 16 points above the relegation places.
Many say he is boring and old fashioned , OK so we have sat back against some teams but it can't be worse than losing 2-7 at home and 3-0 away to Brighton .
The injuries have been a massive blow and the very disappointing N'dombele doesn't help.
 

SpursSince1980

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Ajax manager, wolves manager, Southampton manager, Leicester manager, Everton manager, inter manager. Rb Leipzig manager, Leeds manager.

Honestly Jose wouldn’t even have been in the top 10 managers I would have taken.

I’m not saying we would have got all of those but all of them would have been better IMO than the busted flush we are left with
Personally speaking... it is far too early for me to say if a different manager would've been able to take the same set of players (minus best striker, best AM), and turn them into world-beaters overnight. I just can't see it. Jose, or Ancelotti, or Rogers or anyone else, can't coach a player like Dele into making less mistakes. They can't coach an Auier into not having a rush of blood, and moment of sheer stupidity. They can't coach Lloris to stop making clangers. They can't coach Harry or Son or Sissoko or Lamela back to fitness. They can't turn Parrot into the next Robbie Keane overnight. They can't make NDombele commit to fitness. They can't turn back the clock and make Vertonghen faster. They can't avoid Davies being injured for three months. They can't stop Dier from being slower than the slowest turtle. They can't teach Moura to have a better first touch. They can't make Bergjwin adjust to the rigors of the PL in just three games. They can't magic themselves up and back-up striker.

All of the above would have exactly the same issues. And perhaps they would've done better or maybe they would've done a lot worse. Hard to tell. But what is clear... is that despite what the pundits may say... despite what we may say... Jose is still one of the most respected managers in the world. So, if we want to bring in new players, we need a manager that they can believe in. That's probably why he was chosen.

I just don't see how complaining about his methods really changes any of our current, painful realities. We are a team in transition. If... and that is a BIG if... we can return to the halcyon days of three years ago, it will take at least two or three more transfer windows, and a significant investment from Levy to make that happen. But without that... no manager would be able to take this soggy bag of rat turds and magic them into beautiful gems. I just can't see that happening.
 

rossdapep

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He couldn’t complete at United up against city with all the money that he threw at it. Now it’s not just pep at city but klopp at Liverpool too and with a fraction of the money he had at united!

What’s makes you think anything will change? Just blind faith?
Money is literally the only real comparison you can apply to this argument.

Pep has an entire team, from recruitment to the catering department on the same page. Everything was put in place for his arrival. Not only that but after a primary season in which Pep struggled (he spent a lot too) he was allowed to rip it all up, seeing Kolarov, Clichy, Zabatleta, Bravo and anyone else out of the door. Jose had to stick with any duds he'd bought, any duds Van Gaal bought, plus Jones and Smalling who'd been stinking the place out for years. He wanted Pogba and Martial out as he could see they were too egotistical and couldn't be controlled, Pep wanted Toure and Hart out and was fully backed.

Jose made mistakes for sure, but Pep had every ounce of support behind every decision. Jose was promised the same but Woodward put the brakes on whenever he felt shareholders and business partners wouldn't like the big names leaving.
 
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I'm really beginning to hate the term "busted flush".
It's getting on my tits.
Yeah, it's pretty tiresome reading, then again this threads going in circles so people have to have a way of signing off when it comes to pinning something on Mourinho ... What are you gonna do? :LOL:
 

whitesocks

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It’s like some of our fans have all bitten the stick we were gotten prodded with by rival fans... “but what have you won”

I don’t care to be honest. I loved fighting for the title, being the best team in the country over a two year period. Going unbeaten at the Lane, getting to the champions league final. Playing the best football in the country.

Do I care if we got to stand there with a trophy, not particularly. I just want to enjoy watching us twice a week take it to teams. Like how we dismantled city under pep. Liverpool under klopp. And united under mour and the Dutch bloke.

I just want my Tottenham back to be fair with or without trophies. I want to be entertained!
They were great days when we had the youngest team in the prem and players were running themselves into the ground and making seasoned professionals look very ordinary. But MP himself dismantled that approach when he bought Sissoko, Aurier, Wanyama, Llorente. Then he stuck with players who were past it, chronically injured or who wanted out and that was the end of our high pressing game.

The football we played this season under MP was shocking and it had been poor for a year. So when some moan about Mourinho, they need to remember the situation he inherited. We really weren't in a purist wonderland.

Posters moan about the defence continually changing but they have been making stupid errors - Alderweireld the villain the last few games and he should be treated as harshly as Foyth earlier. Hopefully he is, because no system can work if we continually leak goals.

The defence is the thing you need to get right first of all - it is the base everything else is built on. Teams are pressing us like crazy as they can smell blood.

So lets be patient*. He knows what he's doing. He might need a good couple of years to get this right. So calm yourselves.

*Unless we lose to arsenal.
 

spursfan77

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They were great days when we had the youngest team in the prem and players were running themselves into the ground and making seasoned professionals look very ordinary. But MP himself dismantled that approach when he bought Sissoko, Aurier, Wanyama, Llorente. Then he stuck with players who were past it, chronically injured or who wanted out and that was the end of our high pressing game.

The football we played this season under MP was shocking and it had been poor for a year. So when some moan about Mourinho, they need to remember the situation he inherited. We really weren't in a purist wonderland.

Posters moan about the defence continually changing but they have been making stupid errors - Alderweireld the villain the last few games and he should be treated as harshly as Foyth earlier. Hopefully he is, because no system can work if we continually leak goals.

The defence is the thing you need to get right first of all - it is the base everything else is built on. Teams are pressing us like crazy as they can smell blood.

So lets be patient*. He knows what he's doing. He might need a good couple of years to get this right. So calm yourselves.

*Unless we lose to arsenal.

I’ve a bad feeling we won’t win any of the next three games. The wolves (and Norwich and Burnley) will really be at the door then. Hopefully I’m wrong and we pick up wins but I just don’t see how we will score enough goals.
 

arunspurs

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I’ve a bad feeling we won’t win any of the next three games. The wolves (and Norwich and Burnley) will really be at the door then. Hopefully I’m wrong and we pick up wins but I just don’t see how we will score enough goals.
On the contrary I believe we can win the 3 (Atleast 2w1d)

My rational below:

Wolves at home: Wolves play Thursday in Europa we have 7 days to prepare. While the tie is already over(4-0) they don’t have the luxury to rest too many players. Jose gets 7 days to solve the problem. Every injury every problem under him we have answered given the time.

Norwich at home - FACup : we will be focused for this one. I have no doubt we will go through this one.

Burnley away : Long ball was never going to work at Burnley. I believe we have the quality to overcome them. As usual it will be a tough game . I just hope we score first.If we do we have Very good chance.
 

ToDarrenIsToDo

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I’ve a bad feeling we won’t win any of the next three games. The wolves (and Norwich and Burnley) will really be at the door then. Hopefully I’m wrong and we pick up wins but I just don’t see how we will score enough goals.

If people want to get on our back if we don't get anything out of the next 3 games after losing 75% of our goals in the last 4-5 weeks in Kane, Son & Eriksen them as far as I'm concerned they ain't really Spurs.

Do people know what other teams would give for the buzz we experienced building up to the Champions League final? We had an amazing experience not long ago, even if it didn't go the way we all dreamed and now we are back in the trenches, trying to navigate through 1/4th of a season with no striker. When did we become such an entitled fanbase?

Injuries happen, flakey seasons occur the sooner people suck that up and support the lads, the better the mood and chance of actually getting results. 12th man ring any bells to anyone?
 

Wsussexspur

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I’ve a bad feeling we won’t win any of the next three games. The wolves (and Norwich and Burnley) will really be at the door then. Hopefully I’m wrong and we pick up wins but I just don’t see how we will score enough goals.

I agree, I got hammered for it the other week but really think with way we are playing we will finish 8/9th this season with the negative tactics being implemented and the increasingly negative vibes coming from Jose I really struggle to see us picking up too many more wins this season. i guess Just have to grit teeth and bare it for next three months and then hope with the right backing and preseason behind him next season will be more positive

However I would love to know (as I’m sure we all would) Daniel Levy thoughts on the current situation and the tactics/style of play being implemented. wether he gives Jose a pass due to the injuries or if he is a bit disappointed that Jose doesn't seem to be adapting tactically to the situation to try and get the best out of the players we do have available. Instead of just setting a team up which certainly seems from the out set of games just to survive and stay in a game for as long as possible and then try and nick a goal on the rare counter attack we manage. Also if he enjoys watching us being out played by nearly every team we have come up against.
 
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spursfan77

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On the contrary I believe we can win the 3 (Atleast 2w1d)

My rational below:

Wolves at home: Wolves play Thursday in Europa we have 7 days to prepare. While the tie is already over(4-0) they don’t have the luxury to rest too many players. Jose gets 7 days to solve the problem. Every injury every problem under him we have answered given the time.

Norwich at home - FACup : we will be focused for this one. I have no doubt we will go through this one.

Burnley away : Long ball was never going to work at Burnley. I believe we have the quality to overcome them. As usual it will be a tough game . I just hope we score first.If we do we have Very good chance.

I didn’t realise wolves had had problems scoring goals in the league before last weekend as well.

But we have the classic problem of not being able to keep goals out and not being capable of scoring any. Never a winning combo!
 

Gilzeanking

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Until we fix our full backs, defensive midfield, and striker options (5 players minimum) it doesn't matter who the manager is we will continue to fail. Jose knows this I'm sure. All down to player recruitment and levy this. Lay off the manager

The prob with this is that it is diametrically opposed to his apparent assessment of the Spurs team as he arrived with us .
It was an easy choice to come to Spurs he said because we already had a great team . His story to Levy , if it had any connection to what he said publicly was that he didn't need to buy players . Levy would've loved that .

So one area where Jose got it incontrovertibly wrong was his analysis of our situation/players when he arrived . Hope he can sort it now.
 

allatsea

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The prob with this is that it is diametrically opposed to his apparent assessment of the Spurs team as he arrived with us .
It was an easy choice to come to Spurs he said because we already had a great team . His story to Levy , if it had any connection to what he said publicly was that he didn't need to buy players . Levy would've loved that .

So one area where Jose got it incontrovertibly wrong was his analysis of our situation/players when he arrived . Hope he can sort it now.
If your analysis is right then Poch really did leave us in a right mess.
 

DEFchenkOE

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I think overall with Jose, if he has a squad full of top players and particularly individually talented forwards, everything will be OK. But the moment he detects any kind of weakness in his own side, he will default to his fear based instincts. If you look at the 7 point plan for winning matches that was in his biography, it's there in what we're witnessing on the pitch:

1 The game is won by the team who commits fewer errors.

2 Football favours whoever provokes more errors in the opposition.

3 Away from home, instead of trying to be superior to the opposition, it’s better to encourage their mistakes.

4 Whoever has the ball is more likely to make a mistake.

5 Whoever renounces possession reduces the possibility of making a mistake.

6 Whoever has the ball has fear.

7 Whoever does not have it is thereby stronger.


I don't know if it's possible for there to be a more different football philosophy than Poch's 'be brave' -- but certainly in appointing Mourinho, DL showed that there is not overarching football DNA in his stewardship of Tottenham. We have lurched from one extreme to the other.

Geez does his book really say all that? I really disagree with this type of philosophy and thinking towards football. It's overly negative and fear based. And it goes a long way to explaining why we're playing the way we are right now.

I cannot for one minute believe anyone enjoys playing football with this type of style being preached day in and day out. It's utterly depressing for me reading that and gives me no hope at all for our future.

I was really sold on him having a new approach having had some time out of the game but he has reverted to type and we are seeing everything that he has written about above.
 

dudu

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Show me where I have ever said we should have stuck with Poch? I get that change was needed.

My point is that we should have been brave with our choice and stuck to our footballing philosophy rather than tearing up all the good work poch had done.

What philosophy? When was the last time we had one? 3 years ago basically now?

We had already gone backwards.
 

dudu

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What philosophy? When was the last time we had one? 3 years ago basically now?

We had already gone backwards.

I'm going to add that building a new philosophy and playing to that takes time. It's not a 3 month thing. It wasn't for Poch, Klopp and countless coaches before them.

We played with 5 attacking players on the weekend that had never played together competitively before.

You might not like or want Joses philosophy but at least wait and see what it is going to actually be before you say you don't want it. You haven't really even seen it yet.
 
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