Jose Mourinho

[Saoirse]

I was willing to stand by Pochittno 100%.

As bad as it is being dominated by Norwich and getting knocked out of the FA Cup... losing again at our spanking new stadium.

Mourinho should be backed 100% imo Levy has to stand by his man. Mourinho is a great manager but will need the right tools.

A great manager? Maybe ten years ago. More recently he spent £85m on three terrible defenders when United backed him and took them firmly to mid-table. Before that he had Chelsea in actual relegation trouble - as soon as he went the same squad got 93 points and won the league the next year. Other wonderful transfer decisions include flogging De Bruyne, Lukaku etc for absolute peanuts. He's a fish out of water and not what we need.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

There is some irony in you complaining about people posting the same response again and again don't you think?

Anyway, I get it - some buy the reasoning that it's not his fault - it's Poch, it's old players, it's Levy, it's the weather, it's individual mistakes and on and on.

I think they are all relevant reasons for us being below our best but I still think we should be playing better than we are at the moment and that sits with the manager - it's why they get the push and players don't - it goes with the large wage packet and hefty pay off.

We should sack him then. If the fans - said this before - are an indication of this site, then there is no point in carrying on.

Clearly they don't want him as manager, and the debate will rage on.

Far as I am concerned I dunno how much I should care from here on out. One voice in a sea of many is pissing in the wind.

Thought we created enough to win it in the 90. We played way more football than people in here are giving credit for and I think thats me done.

Banter club, always will be.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

We had Kane , son and sissoko away to man Utd, home to Chelsea, away to Norwich, home to Brighton and we were terrible and out played....the warning signs were there at those games, the injuries are a convenient excuse ..lo celso us our only true class player and he won't stay around much longer with this style of footbal

I'd be more worried about Kane leaving.

We've fucked up so badly I'm actually starting to see it as a possibility.

 

[cjbyid]

I worry it's going to turn toxic.

It's not even so much the defeats, but it's the manner of them, it's the way we are outplayed by teams with worse teams than us. It's the sitting back and defending against Norwich at home in the FA Cup. It's just not Tottenham.

There's so little to enjoy about our football.

My worry too. Don't think the likes of Lo Celso will be happy sitting behind the ball for 90 mins.

 

[yankspurs]

I was willing to stand by Pochittno 100%.

As bad as it is being dominated by Norwich and getting knocked out of the FA Cup... losing again at our spanking new stadium.

Mourinho should be backed 100% imo Levy has to stand by his man. Mourinho is a great manager but will need the right tools.

Has Levy ever done that? No. So we should not even think or expect it from him.

 

[Saoirse]

We are literally two points off 5th. The hyperbole in here is crazy tonight. It’s like the match thread has infected every other thread.

We've lost four games in a row. Four. That's 90s levels of bad. And our next five in the league are against local rivals or top half sides. It's very hard to see where the points are coming from right now.

 

[rossdapep]

God knows I can take losing, I've been a Spurs fan for nearly 30 years, but I can't accept this. When Poch came in, even when we were struggling initially, there were always positive signs of where the club was going and what we were trying to do, but I don't see any of that under Jose. I see no plan, no tactical system of any kind, no reason for optimism. I genuinely hate watching this team and I don't know how much longer I can keep going without seeing any kind of improvement or positivity. It's such a shame how far we've fallen.

That's not actually true. I made a long post about this before. There was numerous performances in which we were dreadful. We got knocked out the FA Cup vs a struggling Leicester and even a crap Burnley took us to a replay. Stoke beat us 3-0 and there was countless other crap performances. I really didn't see how it was coming together. There was plenty of calls for replacing him with a more established coach.

Having said that tonight was a disgrace and I've defended Jose for the very reason about giving him time.

 

[Dirtysanchez6]

I wanted Jose ! I think he is finished as a manager now though ! Ok poor squad and shocking injuries but it’s game after game we are out played and the football is terrible ! Can’t tell me a modern manager wouldn’t have them playing better football

 

[Garbob]

We've lost four games in a row. Four. That's 90s levels of bad. And our next five in the league are against local rivals or top half sides. It's very hard to see where the points are coming from right now.

Agree with you, really struggling to see where the next win will come from.

 

[SpursTillIDie1882]

JM has to take full responsibility today (and also last few games), he has to OWN it and moan about it, his tactics, his directions, his decisions, his choice of personel he picks to be on the pitch.....

 

[double0]

A great manager? Maybe ten years ago. More recently he spent £85m on three terrible defenders when United backed him and took them firmly to mid-table. Before that he had Chelsea in actual relegation trouble - as soon as he went the same squad got 93 points and won the league the next year. Other wonderful transfer decisions include flogging De Bruyne, Lukaku etc for absolute peanuts. He's a fish out of water and not what we need.

You've conveniently left out all the trophies his won as he says titles.

 

[cjbyid]

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

Pochettinno had massively improved our club, led us to our best spell since the 80s, and playing some incredibly good football. Mourinho was a hero to the scumbags from the Bridge, has not improve us an iota, and most importantly is not even trying to play good football. If he had an attractive system, was working on adapting the squad to it and encountering a lot of teething issues, I could accept that. If his pragmatic approach meant we were in control, not conceding and grinding out results, I could reluctantly accept that too. But he's deliberately playing a horrible system, and failing to get results with it. So what the fuck's the point? The best case is that he turns it around and gets results with the horrible system, but if we're hoping for that I'd much, much rather give Poch the chance to turn it around instead back to playing great football as someone who's truly Tottenham.

There in lies what I think is most peoples’ issue with Mourinho: his Chelsea history. It is SO unbelievably childish to hate a manager because he managed a rival. I’d understand if you were in your teens but it’s grown fucking men who seem to have the biggest issue with this.

Granted, when Pochettino joined he had his issues to deal with, but he also had an entire pre season to deal with them. He also had a very, very young group of footballers including a prime Lloris and prime Vertonghen, Rose, Walker, Dembele, Dier, Lamela, Eriksen, Kane etc who were HUNGRY to succeed. Mourinho now has men who want trophies and think for themselves. He’s also having to pick up the mess that Poch (and Joe Lewis) has left him.

I actually can’t believe people who say Poch wasn’t given time or should have been given more time to turn things around. The outrageously fluky CL run masked what was a fucking horrendous 2019. He had time. He had an entire year. He didn’t turn it around. He was rightfully sacked.

 

[Yiddo100]

Good, we’ve got about 4 players who are semi fit, we aren’t winning the CL so try and scrape 4/5th somehow

 

[mrlilywhite]

A great manager? Maybe ten years ago. More recently he spent £85m on three terrible defenders when United backed him and took them firmly to mid-table. Before that he had Chelsea in actual relegation trouble - as soon as he went the same squad got 93 points and won the league the next year. Other wonderful transfer decisions include flogging De Bruyne, Lukaku etc for absolute peanuts. He's a fish out of water and not what we need.

I was prepared to give him the benefit of doubt & hope he has changed, but honestly, I really think the prem has passed him by now. You can't sit back in a defensive shape like that nowadays and invite pressure, def not with a team that is so fragile like ours. Teams press so much more now and they are very good at it.

 

[Saoirse]

You've conveniently left out all the trophies his won as he says titles.

What do you reckon we're gonna win this season? Because I've just watched him chuck the FA Cup out of the window with the same shite tactics that had lost the last three matches. After that, do you think he's going to get 5th? Because if not we're then around £100m down in terms of money to spend for next season, which also isn't great for your trophy chances.

 

[midoshairband]

this is going to end very nastily, even for Jose’s standards.

 

[Yiddo100]

What do you reckon we're gonna win this season? Because I've just watched him chuck the FA Cup out of the window with the same shite tactics that had lost the last three matches. After that, do you think he's going to get 5th? Because if not we're then around £100m down in terms of money to spend for next season, which also isn't great for your trophy chances.

You’re not judging mourinho on what we win this season surely ??

 

[Joely]

Bit of perspective. The coaches that we have employed from Lille took a while to implement their plan when they were at Lille, they bought in the correct players to execute that plan, so shall we give them a bit of time.

I understand people hate Mourinho, but if he goes, the back room staff go with him.

Had misgivings when we appointed Mourinho and can't say that has really changed but I think what we are seeing at the moment is a culmination of a number of issues. Of course injuries to our two best attacking players has played a massive part but alongside that I genuinely believe Mourinho thinks a lot of these players are not up to the task and it has a lot to do with this turgid stuff we are playing.

Don't think that really gives him complete licence to send us out with such little endeavour to take the game to our opponents but part of me thinks us not getting a striker in January has led to Mourinho believing this season is pretty much done and it's all about getting to the end of the season and sorting things out the summer. Well lets see what happens then because if it doesn't go his way, things could get even more toxic.

 

[Lighty64]

We had numerous fucking chances in the 90 to take it, what the fuck are u on about? You want him to put the ball in the back of the net himself?

absolutely correct, we also had many times we should have lost it. I know we don't have a striker fit at the moment but why start a goalkeeper that's not played for 17months, why not start with Ndombele and take him off after 60-75 minutes. why not try and put the game out of site instead of invite pressure. we had 12mins of constant pressure at the end of normal time, and 2nd half of extra time