Jose Mourinho

[mrlilywhite]

Due to injuries and players' form, I genuinely think we'll struggle to win even one of our remaining games this season.

But on the other hand, I'm actually really optimistic about next season, since we'll have Kane, Sonny and a few others raring to go.

The bizarre world of a Spurs fan...

I agree in regards to not winning any of our games this season, but I don't share your optimism about next season. Firstly we need a major rebuild in every way and I doubt Levy has the appetite to make this happen, secondly, with or without Kane or Son this team doesn't have that raring to go attitude and after Jose chucking N'Dombele under the bus, you can bet your life he won't be the last. I was all for Jose tbh, not because he was the best fit, but because he was the best we could get given the timing of Poch getting the sack. I wouldn't honestly bat an eyelid if Levy paid him off in the summer, with that said, apart from getting Poch & Redknapp, who he lucked into, Levy hasn't had the best track record when it comes to managers does he?

Personally I'm sick to the back teeth of watching this club consistently fuck itself over. Watching today's match and hoping and praying we get another pen to win was excruciatingly painful (couldn't see us scoring from open play tbh).

 

[Deleted member 27995]

I think irrespective of how he is playing, exposing him in public is a very bad move.

His form will become poor will it?

 

[Shadydan]

I'm not defending Ndombele, I have to work on the assumption that he's fit enough to play but has some issue I'm not aware of that stops him giving his all. I just don't think Jose being Jose and making it a public issue is a good way to go.

Rightly or wrongly the Pogba situation showed that the power is in the hands of the players now - I just don't think this is an effective way to manage people. As for the highlighted bit, unless he has a really odd contract we are stuck with the guy and so have to try and make it work. Maybe Jose is right and this will work but he's tried this before and made zero progress so I just can't see the point of it - time will tell I guess.

I literally don't know how else he is meant to manage him then? Obviously we're not privy to what goes on behind closed doors but I think we can be pretty certain that Jose has had words with him over his effort and conditioning. Look we all want Ndombele to improve we've had him for 7 months now, where do you see him improving, he's actually getting worse. The incident against Wolves was actually embarrassing - any top professional should see that and take it upon themselves to make sure that doesn't happen it looks like he didn't get the message so where does that leave Jose?

 

[Shadydan]

Instead of calling everyone pathetic, what are you seeing that the vast majority of us are not?

Patience is a virtue, just wait till the man has a pre season and a summer transfer window and yes if you want him sacked now you are absolutely pathetic for not giving him a chance.

 

[Ossie85]

Don't play him? Wait? This is top level football, either the footballer wants it or he doesn't ...

Sorry, you're just straight up making excuses for a player that has earned good money this season for barely doing the thing he is paid for. I'm frustrated and I'm not his manager. Jose has been pretty restrained - that video footage was painful ...

I'm not making any excuse about nothing. You are just justifying anything Mourinho does.
I don't know how he should resolve this, but going out public is never the solution. Look at Shaw. The public bullying from Mourinho practically ruined every potential he had

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Patience is a virtue, just wait till the man has a pre season and a summer transfer window and yes if you want him sacked now you are absolutely pathetic for not giving him a chance.

I wouldn't trust him with a couple of quid in a sweet shop, let alone a squad rebuild.

 

[wrd]

I think irrespective of how he is playing, exposing him in public is a very bad move.

How is it a bad move, if he doesn’t have the mentality to accept Jose is right and take some responsibility then what does it matter calling him out on public as regardless we aren’t going to be able to depend on him. It’s not like it’s a confidence thing the guy is still trying to take it around players and playing passes which show his ability, it’s an attitude thing. If it was a confidence issue then maybe I can understand how a public dressing down isn’t ideal but when it’s attitude, endeavour, desire to muck in when your team is struggling then I want to see people take responsibility and respond.

 

[Jamturk]

What about the shit goalkeeping from our world cup winning captain?

Or the calamity clown defending from our back 3?

Or the way Burnley kept coming down our right hand side time and time again eventually leading to the goal?

Or the front 3 who were about as effective as I was sitting in my sofa?

 

[Shadydan]

Don't play him, or wait until he changes. Exposing him in public is not going to improve anything. It will make things worse

So we're not meant to play our club record signing in a Premier League match in March, Good Lord.

How long are you willing to wait until he changes? You saw the effort he put in against Wolves, that's not down to ability, that's down to mentality and hard work - if you're not putting in a shift at the very least you deserved to get called out, we're talking about a basic requirement of running and tracking, sorry but it's poor.

 

[Shadydan]

I wouldn't trust him a a couple of quid in a sweet shop, let alone a squad rebuild.

Cool bro, guess what...I would. ?

 

[glacierSpurs]

Probably because every single one of us was desperate for him signing and we were all holding hands crying for joy when we got it over the line. Though not sure how people can really be upset with Jose. Jose is struggling to string a team together and this guy who has ridiculous ability is letting us down when we need him most.

Exactly. Is also not wrong to say that Poch had made a terribly bad judgement right?

The narratives for Mourinho haters will always be structured to the point all blame lies on him. So why not blame the source of the problem - the previous manager who signed him? Its just getting ridiculous Mourinho has to shoulder all the blames currently ensued, disregarding all past and current problems he has to face.

 

[chelmyid]

Instead of calling everyone pathetic, what are you seeing that the vast majority of us are not?

Might not be seeing anything different but are willing to offer the thought process of reason........

 

[Twizzle]

cant beat Watford, Norwich or Burnley,

what ever his system is, this wont end well

 

[muppetman]

I literally don't know how else he is meant to manage him then? Obviously we're not privy to what goes on behind closed doors but I think we can be pretty certain that Jose has had words with him over his effort and conditioning. Look we all want Ndombele to improve we've had him for 7 months now, where do you see him improving, he's actually getting worse. The incident against Wolves was actually embarrassing - any top professional should see that and take it upon themselves to make sure that doesn't happen it looks like he didn't get the message so where does that leave Jose?

Stick him in the reserves? Figure out what the issue is? Get a psychologist involved? Fucked if I know but calling him out on TV can hardly be the only option?

I think it's stuff like this that make him look a bit out of touch and behind the times.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

I'm not making any excuse about nothing. You are just justifying anything Mourinho does.
I don't know how he should resolve this, but going out public is never the solution. Look at Shaw. The public bullying from Mourinho practically ruined every potential he had

Mourinho 'practically' ruined Luke Shaw? Debatable.

Ndombele has barely shown a thing of what was expected of him this season. A dressing down in public by his boss is the least of his worries if it's gotten to this stage to become motivated.

 

[Ossie85]

So we're not meant to play our club record signing in a Premier League match in March, Good Lord.

How long are you willing to wait until he changes? You saw the effort he put in against Wolves, that's not down to ability, that's down to mentality and hard work - if you're not putting in a shift at the very least you deserved to get called out, we're talking about a basic requirement of running and tracking, sorry but it's poor.

You are not getting it. I don't know how should he solve it. He's being paid 15m for that. He should solve it.
Publicly criticizing him only make things worse. Even if you feel he should get called out. That won't solve it. It never worked on anyone.

 

[Shadydan]

Stick him in the reserves? Figure out what the issue is? Get a psychologist involved? Fucked if I know but calling him out on TV can hardly be the only option?

I think it's stuff like this that make him look a bit out of touch and behind the times.

I don't understand why sticking our club record signing in the reserves is actually gonna help us, in fact at this point I think Ndombele would prefer that as he seemingly doesn't want to be out on the pitch playing for the first team, it's the easy way out.

 

[wrd]

Exactly. Is also not wrong to say that Poch had made a terribly bad judgement right?

The narratives for Mourinho haters will always be structured to the point all blame lies on him. So why not blame the source of the problem - the previous manager who signed him? Its just getting ridiculous Mourinho has to shoulder all the blames currently ensued, disregarding all past and current problems he has to face.

Well first of all I'd say that its too early to make that call, though you seem desperate to find a new stick to beat Poch with. I don't see how as a manager when a team comes to you with a player with incredible ability you're meant to discern that he will not have the attitude to adapt to the premier league or the professionalism.

What you're suggesting is also a strawman because people are critisizing how Jose is dealing with him in public rather than private. That has nothing to do with his ability or whether he was a bad signing to make, they're completely exclusive points that dont relate to eachother. As I've said I'm fine with how Jose is going about it.

 

[Ossie85]

Exactly. Is also not wrong to say that Poch had made a terribly bad judgement right?

The narratives for Mourinho haters will always be structured to the point all blame lies on him. So why not blame the source of the problem - the previous manager who signed him? Its just getting ridiculous Mourinho has to shoulder all the blames currently ensued, disregarding all past and current problems he has to face.

Your argument is as ridiculous as it can get.
We all wanted Ndombele. Blaming Pochettino, who's not here anymore, for what he's doing right now is one of the most ridiculous things I've seen in this forum.
No one is judging Mourinho for not motivating him, but for criticizing him in public.

 

[mrlilywhite]

I agree that Jose is right about N'Dombele, but in public? Na. Tanguy needs to find it within himself to be the player that everyone knows he is capable of being. You either want it or you don't. I don't know what one of those categories TN is in, but Jose going public on him like that may well have blown any chance of finding that player we all want him to be in a JM team. I would not be surprised to see N'Dombele agitate for a move in the summer after that public shaming. What we need in our team is a togetherness, but all Jose is doing is creating more unrest. Part of me wonders if Amazon paid Levy a few more ££ to make the doc more dramatic.