Jose Mourinho

[double0]

I hate how people blame Poch. He bought in someone to help with recruitment and build us a proper scouting network but our chairman prefers to just use the scouting data off football manager.

We all know José was the wrong choice. When Levy came up with this succession plan did it not think he had already tried this with Mourinho’s Shadow once before.

We also missed a trick Glenn Hoddle summed it up superbly on BT sports. After the CL final win lose or draw we were in a position of strength and this was the season we should have really backed Pochittno . Now it seems desperate

 

[RikkiRocket]

Just woke up. Has he gone yet ?

 

[dudu]

Yeah that’s a fair point and even though the system is clearly a load of shit I can see the logic of implementing it now and not looking at short term fixes because you want to be able to sign players to come into a system that’s already in place. But then it begs the question, do we really, as fans, want to see this system week in week out next season? I’ll be cool with it if it brings success but I have little faith it will. One thing is for sure it’s going to be shit to watch even if we are successful with it.

I don't think there is much about the way we are playing right now that Jose wouldn't want to improve.

I was looking some stuff up about Jose's counter-attacking tactics and I found this quote from Alli after the City game that I hadn't actually seen.

Speaking after the game, Dele Alli acknowledged as much, saying: “We changed tactics [under Mourinho] but it takes time to work. He is a very tactical manager, so you have to work a lot in training."

That was only a month ago and we have played 8 games since then, lost more attacking players through injury and I doubt have had that much time to work on tactics as in-depth as any manager would ideally like. That doesn't even take into account players having to shift positions and take on new instructions to cover for others that might be injured all in what is a new, probably complex system.

Maybe I'm making excuses but I am willing to give him a fair shot and I don't think he is currently getting one. If I'm still seeing this level of performance early next season, I am sure my confidence will begin waining.

 

[jonnyrotten]

JM: “All the players on the Leipzig bench would play at this moment in my team.”

Excuses, misery, belittling, ad infinitum.

 

[Griff001]

I'm all for giving any manager a chance, I don't believe in being 'team Poch' or 'team Mourinho', but my god it's depressing at the moment.

The excuses around injuries are draining. Yes we are ravaged, but at least try and make us hard to beat as a bare minimum.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

JM: “All the players on the Leipzig bench would play at this moment in my team.”

Excuses, misery, belittling, ad infinitum.

I think at least 5 out of those 7 have been mentioned as players wouldn't mind being at Spurs in transfer threads, I can't see why you wouldn't want them ... I man Olmo - people were crying out for us to sign him in the January Window - let's not pretend they wouldn't make it into this team at the moment haha ...

Edit: "Have been mentioned as players people on this site wouldn't mind being at Spurs" it should read.

 

[E17yid]

I don't think there is much about the way we are playing right now that Jose wouldn't want to improve.

I was looking some stuff up about Jose's counter-attacking tactics and I found this quote from Alli after the City game that I hadn't actually seen.

Speaking after the game, Dele Alli acknowledged as much, saying: “We changed tactics [under Mourinho] but it takes time to work. He is a very tactical manager, so you have to work a lot in training."

That was only a month ago and we have played 8 games since then, lost more attacking players through injury and I doubt have had that much time to work on tactics as in-depth as any manager would ideally like. That doesn't even take into account players having to shift positions and take on new instructions to cover for others that might be injured all in what is a new, probably complex system.

Maybe I'm making excuses but I am willing to give him a fair shot and I don't think he is currently getting one. If I'm still seeing this level of performance early next season, I am sure my confidence will waining.

Yeah, that’s all fair again and I still think he needs to be given the summer and a good chunk of next season I just don’t think he’ll turn it around anymore. Good job I don’t know wtf I’m talking about and have been known to be wrong once or twice.

 

[thePessimist]

Just woke up. Has he gone yet ?

Levy still here mate

 

[stevenurse]

People bemoaning us not being hard to beat etc.

How can Jose account for 4 goalkeeping errors in our last 3 games? In the last month we've conceded 13 goals. 6 of these at least were down to individual errors

Lloris/Toby v Villa
Davies v Liepzig
Vorm v Norwich
Lloris v Norwich
Lloris x 2 v Leipzig

That's without counting the Chelsea and Wolves games which I've blanked from my memory.

He's set up with 5 defenders and a holding midfielder against Burnley. He's trying. We just have to hold our hands up and admit that the players, the defence in particular arent good enough.

Signing a designated defensive midfielder in the summer will really help. Thats clear as day. We cant keep letting teams have free efforts from the edge of the box. But all this takes time.

Just be patient. I know its easy to get angry and shouty. Im as guilty as anyone, but at least wait for the summer first.

 

[Metalhead]

JM: “All the players on the Leipzig bench would play at this moment in my team.”

Excuses, misery, belittling, ad infinitum.

True though.

 

[chelmyid]

We looked utter shit when Son and Kane WERE in the starting 11.
Yes we won games but by the skin of our teeth because those 2 are so clinical in front of goal. Results papered over the cracks. The defence and midfield was still a shit show and will be until we get a recognised dm and a settled back 4.
Bring Kane and Son back now we'll still be a disjointed cluster fk at the back, not helped by JM changing the backline every single match never repeating the same line up twice.
Btw Tanganga has now played in 5 different positions. And he's a young player breaking into the team! It doesn't help. This is also fkin obvious imo but it keeps happening.

Everyone seems to be treating points in isolation to suit arguements which is wrong.
Not having true strikers on the pitch doesn’t just help attack it helps defending as well.
I have never said kane or son are the sole reason for our problems - I was simply replying to a post talking about looking bereft of ideas going forward.
There is so much wrong with us at the moment to pin it on any one thing is complete shit - and seems to be done by the Jose haters as it’s an easy narrative. For the record my opinion on why we are utter shite right now (which by the way set it when poch was our manager):

confidence issues
Ageing players
Bored players
Injuries
Wrong tactics (part fault of injuries)
Stale squad
New stadium
Raised expectations
Stronger teams around us

the only thing that will fix 90% of that is time.

don’t come at me like I’m suggesting Kane and son are our only problems and trying to disprove me by chucking defensive frailties as a reason. My opinion is liberal, taking into account all reasons compared to those who are so anti Jose they can’t see past it and can’t offer a considered and balanced thought process.

to offer final balance -

did I want mourinho - I thought he was the most obvious and attainable choice

has he done what I thought he would - no 100%

are there mitigating circumstance - yes 100%

does his reputation of winning allow him at least 12-18 months - yes 100%


all those that disagree with this, fill your boots, but don’t reason or come at me with your biased anti mourinho shit - it’s boring!

 

[kaz Hirai]

People bemoaning us not being hard to beat etc.

How can Jose account for 4 goalkeeping errors in our last 3 games? In the last month we've conceded 13 goals. 6 of these at least were down to individual errors

Lloris/Toby v Villa
Davies v Liepzig
Vorm v Norwich
Lloris v Norwich
Lloris x 2 v Leipzig

That's without counting the Chelsea and Wolves games which I've blanked from my memory.

He's set up with 5 defenders and a holding midfielder against Burnley. He's trying. We just have to hold our hands up and admit that the players, the defence in particular arent good enough.

Signing a designated defensive midfielder in the summer will really help. Thats clear as day. We cant keep letting teams have free efforts from the edge of the box. But all this takes time.

Just be patient. I know its easy to get angry and shouty. Im as guilty as anyone, but at least wait for the summer first.

Youre bound to concede goals and make errors if you're being constantly dominated. Defence and keeper under constant bombardment

 

[jonnyrotten]

True though.

That's not the point. He's basically telling our team that they aren't good enough. How's that going to help them? Compare that to the quotes from Poch that Dougal posted a few pages back. No excuses or criticism there. He takes responsibility and shows leadership.

What we are getting with Jose is sulking. I guess we will see the effect of these comments at the weekend...

 

[Deleted member 27995]

That's not the point. He's basically telling our team that they aren't good enough. How's that going to help them? Compare that to the quotes from Poch that Dougal posted a few pages back? No excuses or criticism there. He takes responsibility and shows leadership.

What we are getting with Jose is sulking. I guess we will see the effect of these comments at the weekend...

That was 5 years into Pochs time here with his 25 man squad he built ... It says so in the quotes. I'm not good at understanding perspective on things, so you'll have to help me here.

 

[Likaleica]

I'd honestly hope that a manager we are paying 15m a year (or whatever it is) can at least make them hard to beat.

That has to be the very minimum.

We've actually got worse defensively under Mourinho and without the same excuse of injuries.

We don't have a system. We don't have a regular approach to games. It's just incredibly random and I honestly think a lot of managers could do better than he's doing right now.

Spot on. JM's strategy and tactics are hopelessly outdated. He is continually outwitted by more modern coaches such as at Chelsea and even Norwich! Then all he can do is publicly humiliate his players - such as Ndombele - and whine about injuries that are actually a fact of life in the cauldron of the modern game. Many on here have rightly flagged up the shortcomings of the current squad - a rebuild is needed for sure - but a proper manager gets the best from the players he has available. Only an arrogant has-been blames his team.

 

[LeParisien]

No dude, what I was speaking about was the highlighted bit (sorry to be quoting you again @Oh Teddy Teddy )


Plus, the idea of there being 'blame' to be handed round. Why should we be couching it in those terms?

Fair enough. I didn’t see that bold bit first time. I would lean more on « responsibility » than blame.

Mourinho deserves time, another transfer window, a preseason and a full squad. Nonetheless it is frustrating that there doesn’t seem to be a style of play or long game being worked on. That is surely the right strategic decision regardless of injuries?

I get that we can’t work on link up play with a #9 because we don’t have one. But there are patterns of midfield play that could be worked on, defensive solidity, more young players being given a chance (Skipp, Sessegnon, Parrot). At the moment there is precious little evidence of anything that might persist into next season from a collective point of view and only Lo Celso and Tanganga shining on an individual basis.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

People bemoaning us not being hard to beat etc.

How can Jose account for 4 goalkeeping errors in our last 3 games? In the last month we've conceded 13 goals. 6 of these at least were down to individual errors

Lloris/Toby v Villa
Davies v Liepzig
Vorm v Norwich
Lloris v Norwich
Lloris x 2 v Leipzig

That's without counting the Chelsea and Wolves games which I've blanked from my memory.

He's set up with 5 defenders and a holding midfielder against Burnley. He's trying. We just have to hold our hands up and admit that the players, the defence in particular arent good enough.

Signing a designated defensive midfielder in the summer will really help. Thats clear as day. We cant keep letting teams have free efforts from the edge of the box. But all this takes time.

Just be patient. I know its easy to get angry and shouty. Im as guilty as anyone, but at least wait for the summer first.

Mistakes are often more prevalent in teams playing with no confidence, no direction and no self belief.

 

[brendanb50]

That's not the point. He's basically telling our team that they aren't good enough. How's that going to help them? Compare that to the quotes from Poch that Dougal posted a few pages back. No excuses or criticism there. He takes responsibility and shows leadership.

What we are getting with Jose is sulking. I guess we will see the effect of these comments at the weekend...

I'm not a fan of the tactic but i'm not so sure it isn't the right approach.

We have players for better or worse, openly or behind closed doors, who 100% need to react and step up. How JM gets that from them is down to him and whilst i prefer the behind closed doors approach maybe these players do need a public rocket up the proverbial.

Player power is different thesedays, they use agents to create moves from nowhere, leak stories to build interest, sulk and stop playing when they're in a mood - on the whole they're in charge now.

The public approach may well show the world that a) they're not up to the standards required and b) there's nowhere to hide - you've been publically called out. Are you going to keep putting in those performances now everyone is looking at you or are you going to change tact and strive for better? Doing it behind the safety of closed doors still retains the player's power, it maintains the status quo - if they want to keep slacking they can. JM's approach throws them out there and asks for more. I appreciate it's not ideal in all cases, but in some, it's needed IMO.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

True though.

Haha yea he's not wrong.

 

[Bobby TwoShots]

Mistakes are often more prevalent in teams playing with no confidence, no direction and no self belief.

And no tactics