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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

Teddy Klinsmann

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Aug 5, 2008
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He still needs time. Still needs to address positions of weakness. I thought we had a much better shape last night. Yes it’s not the gung ho attacking football that won us countless trophies under Poch, but it certainly had the potential to be a much bigger disaster last night.
 

DEFchenkOE

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Feb 13, 2006
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I'm sorry but I can't watch this type of football, we're playing Man utd with Fred and Mctominay not 09 Barca with Xavi and Iniesta. Why are we parking the bus with 45 mins to go against this team? We didn't attack at all until they scored. Awful.
 

TheRevolution

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Nov 25, 2018
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I'm sorry but I can't watch this type of football, we're playing Man utd with Fred and Mctominay not 09 Barca with Xavi and Iniesta. Why are we parking the bus with 45 mins to go against this team? We didn't attack at all until they scored. Awful.

Fred and McTominay have been fantastic this season and Fernandes has been amazing too. Never in a million years were they going to get outplayed by Sissoko and Winks.
 

rossdapep

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Aug 25, 2011
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I'm sorry but I can't watch this type of football, we're playing Man utd with Fred and Mctominay not 09 Barca with Xavi and Iniesta. Why are we parking the bus with 45 mins to go against this team? We didn't attack at all until they scored. Awful.
We didn't park the bus, it's called dropping deep to restrict space behind but once you get the ball spring to attack. Even Liverpool do this once a team breaks into their half.

Could we be better with the ball? Sure but when you focus on quick incisive passing into dangerous areas in transition it takes a while for passing to get up to sharpness.

People need to stop listening to the likes of sky and the narrative. As a coach and tactical analyst, I can say that there was a very defined strategy that WAS working and the players are buying into it.

We weren't aggressive in the press but players were being much more aggressive in duels and positional defensive play. We made loads of tactical fouls and engaged United much more than we had been doing before the break.

Go back and watch how sluggish and poor we were at doing these things against Burnley or RB Leipizig. I couldn't even see a structure then and we were playing long balls.

Last night we weren't doing that, we were trying to move the ball quickly into space then get into the channels. I actually find that style of play exciting because you know once we win the ball an attacking opportunity is on.

Compare it to Poch's last year, in which it was endless sideways passing around a penalty area before being suckerpunched. This is much more enjoyable. Is it as enjoyable as Poch's peak team? Well, no, of course not. But we no longer have the team for that.

If you're married to a style of play then why even bother supporting your club, just watch other teams who fit that style more.
 

Wsussexspur

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Oct 2, 2007
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He still needs time. Still needs to address positions of weakness. I thought we had a much better shape last night. Yes it’s not the gung ho attacking football that won us countless trophies under Poch, but it certainly had the potential to be a much bigger disaster last night.

The problem is will he get the funds to address the areas of weakness! I’m really not sure he will! Which I think will lead to big problems when the transfer window opens! We all know Jose isn’t slow at coming forward when he doesn’t get his way!
 

TheModrix

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He needs at least two more windows. Sell Ndombele who is a flop. Buy a class DM or Defender instead. Dele and Lo Celso can cover his position.
 

Teddy Klinsmann

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The problem is will he get the funds to address the areas of weakness! I’m really not sure he will! Which I think will lead to big problems when the transfer window opens! We all know Jose isn’t slow at coming forward when he doesn’t get his way!

I can’t imagine he took the gig at Spurs under the illusion that Levy would bank roll his every demand - everyone knows Spurs don’t throw money at players. He and the club will obviously have to make clever signings - I think he already knows the players he wants/needs within his budget.
 

mpickard2087

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Jun 13, 2008
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Fred and McTominay have been fantastic this season and Fernandes has been amazing too. Never in a million years were they going to get outplayed by Sissoko and Winks.

For the first 45 mins, apart from very brief moments like Sanchez's misplaced header allowing a shot at goal, we were outplaying them across the park and far ahead in the tactical battle.

There was no need to go ultra negative, drop to our penalty area, and just try to hold on as we did straight from kick off after HT.
 
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He needs at least two more windows. Sell Ndombele who is a flop. Buy a class DM or Defender instead. Dele and Lo Celso can cover his position.
The Ndombele (bat) signal just went up, you're going to be in trouble when the angry mob arrive with pitchforks.
 

DEFchenkOE

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Feb 13, 2006
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Fred and McTominay have been fantastic this season and Fernandes has been amazing too. Never in a million years were they going to get outplayed by Sissoko and Winks.

Jose had all his midfield options available to him, if he can't do something better against players that he knows inside out then we have no hope. Yes Fred and Mctominay have had good seasons but neither are world beaters. We should be doing more to regain control of the match.
 

Teddy Klinsmann

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Aug 5, 2008
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He needs at least two more windows. Sell Ndombele who is a flop. Buy a class DM or Defender instead. Dele and Lo Celso can cover his position.

Totally agree. NDombele for whatever reason is not going to cut it with us. If the Barca rumours are true Levy should cut a deal to get Coutinho for a bargain fee. The rest of the money can go on DM and CB along with any other sales made.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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Jul 10, 2008
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I’m certainly no fan of Mourinho but thought we played with a coherent plan today. We’re never gonna play high press and try to dominate. This is not Joseball, as much as hate it. What he will do is set us up to be disciplined and solid and give us to platform to exploit any mistakes the opposition make. As I say, I absolutely the hate the style of play, but it’s funny seeing some of moan when the support to get Mourinho in the first place was so strong in the first place. What exactly were you expecting? This has been his style for years.
 

rossdapep

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Aug 25, 2011
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The problem is will he get the funds to address the areas of weakness! I’m really not sure he will! Which I think will lead to big problems when the transfer window opens! We all know Jose isn’t slow at coming forward when he doesn’t get his way!
Except he's said at least 100 times now that the club are different and he knows he doesn't have endless funds to spend.

And I think that'll be a good thing as I think Jose gets a little too demanding when he's at a big club with big funds and is expected to win.

Levy won't put pressure on him to win trophies, Jose certainly wants to win and he'll be able to do it without Woodward and fans demanding trophies amd adding extra pressure. He won't have 80m signings to justify. He'll be able to do everything in a more low key environment with players who look more respondent to his ideas.
 

mpickard2087

Patient Zero
Jun 13, 2008
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We didn't park the bus, it's called dropping deep to restrict space behind but once you get the ball spring to attack. Even Liverpool do this once a team breaks into their half.

Could we be better with the ball? Sure but when you focus on quick incisive passing into dangerous areas in transition it takes a while for passing to get up to sharpness.

People need to stop listening to the likes of sky and the narrative. As a coach and tactical analyst, I can say that there was a very defined strategy that WAS working and the players are buying into it.

We weren't aggressive in the press but players were being much more aggressive in duels and positional defensive play. We made loads of tactical fouls and engaged United much more than we had been doing before the break.

Go back and watch how sluggish and poor we were at doing these things against Burnley or RB Leipizig. I couldn't even see a structure then and we were playing long balls.

Last night we weren't doing that, we were trying to move the ball quickly into space then get into the channels. I actually find that style of play exciting because you know once we win the ball an attacking opportunity is on.

Compare it to Poch's last year, in which it was endless sideways passing around a penalty area before being suckerpunched. This is much more enjoyable. Is it as enjoyable as Poch's peak team? Well, no, of course not. But we no longer have the team for that.

If you're married to a style of play then why even bother supporting your club, just watch other teams who fit that style more.

There was night and day difference between the two halves, come on. The first half is Mourinho's 'positive' counter attack working pretty well - engaging at the halfway line and counter attacking. The second half was much more akin to the infamous version of his style of play - immediately we were engaging them 15-20 yards deeper, within no time at all this became just defending our penalty area, and we just dont have the outstanding defensive operators to soak up so much pressure around our goal. And I just don't get why we came out with a much more cowardly approach in the second half, United didn't have to wrestle the initiative from us, we just surrendered it.
 

thekneaf

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Jan 18, 2011
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We didn't park the bus, it's called dropping deep to restrict space behind but once you get the ball spring to attack. Even Liverpool do this once a team breaks into their half.

Could we be better with the ball? Sure but when you focus on quick incisive passing into dangerous areas in transition it takes a while for passing to get up to sharpness.

People need to stop listening to the likes of sky and the narrative. As a coach and tactical analyst, I can say that there was a very defined strategy that WAS working and the players are buying into it.

We weren't aggressive in the press but players were being much more aggressive in duels and positional defensive play. We made loads of tactical fouls and engaged United much more than we had been doing before the break.

Go back and watch how sluggish and poor we were at doing these things against Burnley or RB Leipizig. I couldn't even see a structure then and we were playing long balls.

Last night we weren't doing that, we were trying to move the ball quickly into space then get into the channels. I actually find that style of play exciting because you know once we win the ball an attacking opportunity is on.

Compare it to Poch's last year, in which it was endless sideways passing around a penalty area before being suckerpunched. This is much more enjoyable. Is it as enjoyable as Poch's peak team? Well, no, of course not. But we no longer have the team for that.

If you're married to a style of play then why even bother supporting your club, just watch other teams who fit that style more.
Cheers for saying it better than I could.

Roy Keane went on a pre game rant about 90s spurs DNA, and then went into a 15 minutes shame fuelled rant as he seemed to realise it wasn't the 90s anymore.

I like G Nev on co comms, but our medium block was pissing him off because United couldn't get through it.

Fernandez is great, hits lovely dangerous first time balls all the time... but, and this is pretty big, he turns over the ball a huge amount of time and people would be murdering him here if he was a spurs player.

I actually don't mind that kind of play as long as it's in the final third, it's why I like Dele to attempt things, rather than have lamela try to manipulate the ball onto his left foot and wait too long.
 

rossdapep

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Aug 25, 2011
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There was night and day difference between the two halves, come on. The first half is Mourinho's 'positive' counter attack working pretty well - engaging at the halfway line and counter attacking. The second half was much more akin to the infamous version of his style of play - immediately we were engaging them 15-20 yards deeper, within no time at all this became just defending our penalty area, and we just dont have the outstanding defensive operators to soak up so much pressure around our goal. And I just don't get why we came out with a much more cowardly approach in the second half, United didn't have to wrestle the initiative from us, we just surrendered it.
Whilst I agree with that I do firmly believe it was down to tiredness and Jose knowing Kane and Son weren't sharp enough.

If we are still seeing the same thing in a couple of weeks time, I'll be more concerned.
 

DEFchenkOE

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Feb 13, 2006
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We didn't park the bus, it's called dropping deep to restrict space behind but once you get the ball spring to attack. Even Liverpool do this once a team breaks into their half.

Could we be better with the ball? Sure but when you focus on quick incisive passing into dangerous areas in transition it takes a while for passing to get up to sharpness.

People need to stop listening to the likes of sky and the narrative. As a coach and tactical analyst, I can say that there was a very defined strategy that WAS working and the players are buying into it.

We weren't aggressive in the press but players were being much more aggressive in duels and positional defensive play. We made loads of tactical fouls and engaged United much more than we had been doing before the break.

Go back and watch how sluggish and poor we were at doing these things against Burnley or RB Leipizig. I couldn't even see a structure then and we were playing long balls.

Last night we weren't doing that, we were trying to move the ball quickly into space then get into the channels. I actually find that style of play exciting because you know once we win the ball an attacking opportunity is on.

Compare it to Poch's last year, in which it was endless sideways passing around a penalty area before being suckerpunched. This is much more enjoyable. Is it as enjoyable as Poch's peak team? Well, no, of course not. But we no longer have the team for that.

If you're married to a style of play then why even bother supporting your club, just watch other teams who fit that style more.

I don't give any fucks about what sky say. I'm going on what I watched. How was we springing to attack when we had all 11 men behind the ball with Kane and Lamela barely crossing the halfway line?

There was no way that we was going to hold out for 45 mins playing like that, and we changed our approach after they scored.

If you're happy with that kind of football then good for you, I expect and want to see better from my team.
 

mpickard2087

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Jun 13, 2008
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I’m certainly no fan of Mourinho but thought we played with a coherent plan today. We’re never gonna play high press and try to dominate. This is not Joseball, as much as hate it. What he will do is set us up to be disciplined and solid and give us to platform to exploit any mistakes the opposition make. As I say, I absolutely the hate the style of play, but it’s funny seeing some of moan when the support to get Mourinho in the first place was so strong in the first place. What exactly were you expecting? This has been his style for years.

Personally, not just from conversations with SC'ers here but across my Spurs-related network, I think it's two fold - a) so many people have been taken in by that PR piece that came out about him 'learning a new style of play' (it's BS, the exact same thing was pumped out when he took the Utd job) and b) they've heard vague tales and seen a few stats about his Madrid team being 'attacking' and scoring 100's of goals a season. The reality is that team was built much like we saw last night first half. Dropping off a little, coaxing the opposition (whether it be a team big or small) out, and then Ronaldo/Di Maria/Benzema/Ozil et al absolutely brutalising teams at awesome pace on the counter attack.

I think most fans are wishfully thinking that we will get front foot, 'attacking' football, but as you say it's never going to happen and this will become a slow realisation.
 

thebenjamin

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Jul 1, 2008
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Personally, not just from conversations with SC'ers here but across my Spurs-related network, I think it's two fold - a) so many people have been taken in by that PR piece that came out about him 'learning a new style of play' (it's BS, the exact same thing was pumped out when he took the Utd job) and b) they've heard vague tales and seen a few stats about his Madrid team being 'attacking' and scoring 100's of goals a season. The reality is that team was built much like we saw last night first half. Dropping off a little, coaxing the opposition (whether it be a team big or small) out, and then Ronaldo/Di Maria/Benzema/Ozil et al absolutely brutalising teams at awesome pace on the counter attack.

I think most fans are wishfully thinking that we will get front foot, 'attacking' football, but as you say it's never going to happen and this will become a slow realisation.

He really wants to have the ball as little as possible. Let the opposition have it, wait for them to make a mistake and then try and score with a swift counter or individual brilliance. The less we have possession, the better.
 
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