Jose Mourinho

[Amo]

Mate honestly doesn’t matter who the manager is the squad is a mess and is overrated, this is on LEVY/ ENIC

This squad shouldn't be losing 3-0 to Sheffield in stoppage time even if they had no manager and had to ad lib strategy on the fly

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Absolutely spot on. The organisation, tactics and style of play were good. The combinations in midfield and the movement were good. It was as good as we could get out of the players.

Jose even said that we collapsed after the VAR decision. If this man who has an amazing track record of motivating huge egos can't get them to believe then they need binning.

Agree

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Kane reminds me more of a talisman or token for the club than a leader

I’m not so sure about that mate, I think he’s a very good pro and he’s a leader it’s just that no one else is on his level so he’s probably getting tired of our results not matching his ambition.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Poch was sacked after 12 PL games, when we had just 14 points, those games included away fixtures against City, Liverpool and Arsenal.

In the last 12 PL games Mourinho has managed just 1 point more than this, with just one hard away game (Chelsea).

The man lost too many dressing rooms to be inspirational for the players, he's not a good match for Tottenham, and I will be pleased when he and his boring brand of football are gone from the club.

Good to know. Will you also be pleased when the profit before glory Enic who’ve led our club to one league cup in 20 years go?

 

[southlondonyiddo]

I’m just not so sure mate, Sanchez I love and thought he has so much potential but he’s just not consistent enough, for a bit guy he’s bullied quite easily and his positioning is no where near say a Toby’s.

Sissoko honestly is bang average, we’ve known it for a long time.

Sanchez I’m wavering on but Sissoko has many many great qualities. Has many many not so great qualities too

Obviously doesn’t get in a City/Barca elite starting XI but can certainly get in ours atm and we could achieve CL (next season)

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

This squad shouldn't be losing 3-0 to Sheffield in stoppage time even if they had no manager and had to ad lib strategy on the fly

Well probably not but reality is Sheffield United are a bloody good well organised team, sure they lost to Newcastle recently but that game aside and the ones vs man.u I don’t think they’ve conceded more than 2 goals in any other game, in fact I think they’ve got one of the very best defensive records, they’re incredibly hardworking and well drilled and effective and are a nightmare to play against.

They’ve put up a fight and/or got results against all of the top8 and when being 1-0 up at half time have not lost a game in their last 71!!! That showed the task we had ahead of us after our goal got dissallowed. Sure it was a disappointing performance but I was at the home game and I’m telling you now they played us off the park and easily could’ve won that game.

Don’t underestimate them and don’t overestimate the level of our squad.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

This squad is weak af. No matter the manager we have, our squad is weak.

If we don't improve it this summer transfer window be prepared to fight the relegation battle next season.

Come on it won’t be a relegation battle but it is an upper middle table squad currently that has stagnated.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

The really disheartening thing about this current situation is that even if you principally blame Enic for our current state, they’re not going anywhere fast. The stadium has essentially locked them to the club for years to come because I can’t see there being much interest in buying a mid/ upper mid tier club for the 2 billion quid evaluation Enic have apparently placed on us. And that’s before any investment to rebuild a squad that’s in a stare of decline

The thing is ENIC have run the business well it’s just the football side of the club. Levy needs to step away from that part of it. Let someone else deal with the transfers and the scouting and manager hiring all of it, he should be no where near it, get a CFO and get them to give a budget to the sporting director and let them handle the football side of the club not Levy who is a business man. The stadium and state of the club is good, the constant football failings are not, this is not on Jose or Poch like it wasn’t on Redknapp or AVB or Jol etc etc etc etc

 

[dontcallme]

Klopp was a manager on the rise. Mourinho is on the decline. The George Graham comparison rings true. He was a successful manager but his best years were serving our hated rivals.

I don't hate FC Porto that much,

 

[Wearegoingtowintheleague]

There were a couple of positives in the previous games, the draw against Man Utd and the 2 -0 win against West Ham, but that

Every manager would struggle coming in middle of the season. Guardiola needed time, Klopp in his first 20PL games had 9W 5D 6L.. Same as Mourinho, he can still win the league.

This is interesting but what if we take the last 10 games rather than the last 20?

Poch
W 3
D 3
L 4

Mourinho
W 2
D 2
L 6

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Sanchez I’m wavering on but Sissoko has many many great qualities. Has many many not so great qualities too

Obviously doesn’t get in a City/Barca elite starting XI but can certainly get in ours atm and we could achieve CL...

Sorry buddy but we won’t achieve CL and he’s so limited as a player.
Is he better than any of these players and the answer is no:
City : KDB, Rodri, Foden, D.Silva, Gundoghan
Lpool: Fabhino, Henderson, Ox, Winjydum
Leicester: Tilemans, Ndidi
Man.U: Mctominay, Pogba, B.Fernandes, Fred, Matic
Chelsea: Kante, Kovatic, Jorginho, Barkley, Mount
Wolves: Moutiniho, Neves

he’s physical, he works hard and he can run forwards with the ball, BUT... he’s clumsy, he’s got poor technique, very average at best passing, cant shoot, makes a lot of fouls, positioning is questionable, really mate sorry but he’s a mid table player at best and should be no where near our first XI given where we aspire to be.

Think about this right when we were flying under Harry we had Parker and Modric, he’s not where near what those two guys could do... under poch we had peak wanyama and dembele again hes no where near these guys And if Ndombele sorted himself out then Sissoko would be on our bench all day long.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Sorry buddy but we won’t achieve CL and he’s so limited as a player.
Is he better than any of these players and the answer is no:
City : KDB, Rodri, Foden, D.Silva, Gundoghan
Lpool: Fabhino, Henderson, Ox, Winjydum
Leicester: Tilemans, Ndidi
Man.U: Mctominay, Pogba, B.Fernandes, Fred, Matic
Chelsea: Kante, Kovatic, Jorginho, Barkley, Mount
Wolves: Moutiniho, Neves

he’s physical, he works hard and he can run forwards with the ball, BUT... he’s clumsy, he’s got poor technique, very average at best passing, cant shoot, makes a lot of fouls, positioning is questionable, really mate sorry but he’s a mid table player at best and should be no where near our first XI given where we aspire to be.

Think about this right when we were flying under Harry we had Parker and Modric, he’s not where near what those two guys could do... under poch we had peak wanyama and dembele again hes no where near these guys And if Ndombele sorted himself out then Sissoko would be on our bench all day long.

Can’t argue with any of that tbf

 

[EQP]

There were a couple of positives in the previous games, the draw against Man Utd and the 2 -0 win against West Ham, but that


This is interesting but what if we take the last 10 games rather than the last 20?

Poch
W 3
D 3
L 4

Mourinho
W 2
D 2
L 6

This comparison fails to take into consideration which players that each manager had available to them at those times. If Kane didn't rupture his hamstring and son didn't break his arm, some of those losses during Jose tenure could've been draws or wins.

 

[SpartanSpur]

I've been a pretty vocal backer of Mourinho on here, and I'm definitely in the camp that says he deserves a summer window and preseason to be judged properly.

That said part of me is hoping there's a mutual get out clause in Jose's contract. As mentioned by others earlier in the thread I think he didn't realise the mess the squad was in, with little money to spend maybe he would be willing to step away and take another job elsewhere?

I'm starting to think the whole Jose circus is just too toxic in this country for him to succeed. In time that will seep down to the players if it hasn't already.

He basically said exactly the same things about hunger and resilience as Lampard said last night. No one accused Frank of being toxic, or throwing his players under the bus. No one is suggesting its the beginning of the end for him at Chelsea. In fact Mourinho is probably one of his biggest influences! Mourinho can't even say what we are all thinking without it being used as a stick to beat him with.

He's probably better off going anywhere but Spain or England, maybe Italy where he is thought of much more highly.

Mourinho seemed an interesting fit when we thought the squad was valuable. Now that doesn't quite seem the case. We are venturing right towards rebuild town and I think I'd rather see us do that with a Nagelsmann, Nuno or even a returning Poch (assuming he has now cleared his head and is reinvigorated).

 

[ClintEastwould]

I know that this is going against the grain and that everyone is understandably emotional right now. But, in some respects, I don't believe that what we just witnessed was such a terrible all round performance.

Sure, there were three howlers at the back that cost us dearly. And I concede that that is what counts. Football - all sport, even - is about pivotal moments and the best make sure that those pivotal moments go their way. On such criteria, today's game was a categorical failure.

But I was encouraged by the way that the team tried to play, at least. Dominated possession. Passed and moved well. The intention was positive. But we were badly let down by the final ball. We worked so many good positions down the flanks but not once - not one single, fucking time - did Aurier or Davies put in a good final ball. Absolutely crucified us. We need good full backs. Desperately. If we had them now, we would have won that game. Comfortably.

This one isn't on Mourinho.

We should not be relying on our fullbacks to rack up assists. We are not Liverpool.

 

[spurs9]

Aurier, Sanchez, Davies, Moura and Sissoko - all five first choice players for us. All bang average mid table players. Hence we are now alongside the likes of crystal palace in the table .

Bit harsh on Sanchez imo. I would also add Dele and maybe even Dier to that list.

 

[enfieldyid]

Mourinho is just part of the problem. We were useless today just like we were useless against Norwich away and Chelsea at home this season. I am done with this season.

Levy is the main problem, he has made too many of our recent players unhappy in negotiations. Then there is the fact he gets so involved in transfers and quite often thinks he knows better than our scouts because the pro scouting website knows better.

Pochettino had given enough to the club to try right the ship and should have got the backing to do so. The man took us to the verge of winning things numerous times with limited funds and was desperate to win with Spurs.


Mourinho is a mercenary with no allegiances and has only come to Spurs for a pay check. Mourinho is not a natural winner. He is just a good organiser and has had very gifted players. People talk about him winning the Champions League with Inter but forget how lucky he was that Barcelona had to take a coach to the San Siro because of a Volcano. While his Porto team was better than people knew because Deco was in the top two or three players in the world at the time.

 

[spurs9]

Since Europe is all but an impossible dream now this season and we are safe from relegation, I want to see Jose try out some of the younger squad players, see what they can do. Get Skipp, Gedson, Sessegnon and Foyth some game time.

I really think 4-3-3 is the way to go with these players and would like to see it tried with Skipp at the base of the CM3 with Lo Celso and eith Ndombele of Gedson, see what they can do. Wouldn't be mad at seeing Lamela given a shot in the CM3 either, though I suspect he loses the ball too much to be a success there, though he certainly had the work rate and tenacity.

 

[Bobby TwoShots]

This comparison fails to take into consideration which players that each manager had available to them at those times. If Kane didn't rupture his hamstring and son didn't break his arm, some of those losses during Jose tenure could've been draws or wins.

Not based on today’s performance they wouldn’t have been. Everyone was available and we were still awful

 

[dtxspurs]

How was Poch not backed in the summer?

(Although the roots of the problem go back to when the stadium was being built and no one was bought).

Bringing in 2 players in 2 years over the age of 20 is being backed? Fucking hell.