Jose Mourinho

[Jamturk]

There are some serious delusions of grandeuer in this fanbase.

 

[Monkey boy]

If poch got Bruno Fernandes would be have been sackex?

I see Bruno Fernandes is now the answer to all our problems. Honestly this team is broken beyond all repair and even with Bruno Fernandes we’d still be in this position. When you’ve got a defence as bad as ours who give up goals for fun, full backs that are simply awful at both defending and attacking, a midfield with zero work rate and a serious lack of ability on the ball and a forward line that has to create everything on their own only for Lucas Moura to usually fuck it up then one player however good may be in Bruno is not going To fix anything.

 

[Metalhead]

One thing that's quite sad is that for anyone who was around for the (not so glorious) 90s and first part of the 00's is that there was more often than not a mentality issue - soft touch Spurs etc. and for the last few seasons we lost that to an extent (albeit there was always an inability to get over the line, be it when we were in the title hunt or when we just seemed to go to pieces in the CL final) but since the end of the Poch era and now under Jose, we seem to have a mental fragility again. Are players too comfortable? Is this the inevitability of a transition towards a new team? Is something still 'not right' higher up the hierarchy as was suggested by fans when Poch was coming to the end of his tenure? Are we looking for one answer when it's more nuanced than that?

 

[teok]

If we can't defend what's the point of having mourinho. Conceding those tap ins from basic cut backs. He has every one fit and had ample time to coach them.

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

'the sheep' are the ones who still think a change of manager is where thfocus is, so why there isn't a 'baaa' in your post baffles me.

haha, when it was obvious we were going to lose the site got about 75% busier

to be fair you can want both. Not that that’s going to happen mind.

 

[king26]

Never wanted mouthrinho his day is the past should get rid he won't do any good at spurs

 

[spursfan77]

This is the sort of scenario Redknapp did well in.

He would have plugged the holes in our team with good professionals either on loans or at the ends of their careers.

You can criticise him but for me he was very good at compensating for Levy’s transfer madness.

I think Mourinho can do the same with us though. At Inter he identified the players he wanted (which didn’t cost the earth) in the positions they needed and the players were bought to arrest those deficiencies. If he does the same here and is backed then who is to say it will be different?

But he needs to be backed with players he wants and needs time. Patience seems to be the thinnest it’s ever been though. It would of been the same after the first 6 months of Poch had that happened now. Look back in his thread and it’s the same. But if that taught us anything (it doesn’t seem to have), the manager needs time. I wasn’t convinced by Poch after those first few months when the football was poor and the team lacked direction, but I didn’t want him sacked, I wanted to see what would happen if he was given time.

Who would you have instead?

 

[GutBucket]

Every top club has a great GK, great fullbacks and usally those with pace, quality DM (or box to box), at least one great creative player and good forwards. You can't play good modern football without all of those, said it 2 years ago. CBs all regressed, Wanyama is gone and broken and FBs aren't good enough. With Everton, Newcastle and Wolves getting money and us becoming Arsenal 2.0 because of stadium we will struggle for top 4 unless there is another Bale or two in the academy. I feel pity for Mourinho not Pochettino, he left at the right time.

 

[midoshairband]

Why not? Many teams do.

It's quite clear from that the way Mourinho has us set up that the full backs are supposed to be key to our attacking play. Yesterday evening, they were given the ball in great positions on numerous occasions, with plenty of space and time. Not once did they deliver a cross (high or low) of any quality or accuracy. Not once did they create a chance. Wholly unacceptable from highly paid professional footballers. If they had done their job, we would have won regardless their (and others') comical defending.

yep. and full backs were crucial to our tactics under Poch. its the role of the modern full back now.

our problem is we had two of the best, and now their replacements are sub-average.

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

I wasn't a fan of appointing Mourinho in the first place but since we announced him I've always said I'm prepared to give him a chance and so far that hasn't changed for me. The problem is I think Mourinho could do a good job if he gets all the players he wants, but we all know that isn't going to happen. One of the reasons I wasn't in favour of him is that he is just completely incompatible with Levy. If we're not going to back him, then it was pointless hiring him of all people IMO.

The trouble is everyone believed this team was still good enough that we didn’t need much. Probably Mourinho included and that was the premise he got the job on.

 

[Jamturk]

Poch's tactics encompassed various elements which made us good defensively.

Unified press, ball retention, High line, maurauding FB's etc.

New manager, new tactics and these players are being exposed even more becauuse they don't have the robust system to compensate for them any more.

 

[jay2040]

You think he will win a trophy at Spurs do you?

Yep

 

[Rob]

Poch's tactics encompassed various elements which made us a good defensively.

Unified press, ball retention, High line, maurauding FB's etc.

New manager, new tactics and these players are being exposed even more becauuse they don't have the robust system to compensate for them any more.

What system would stop both CBs ball-watching and being the wrong side of their man or marking empty space? Unless we stop literally every ball into the box, there's no system that can protect from those fuck ups.

 

[Japhet]

Can't understand why Mourinho repeatedly starts with 2 in CM. The players we have are simply not suited to the demands of that system but would be pretty solid in a CM3. We then have a superfluous player further forward who doesn't have the Eriksen skillset. Lamela dithers on the ball, Dele is more interested in showing off with tricks and flicks, Moura gets in the way and like Bergwijn is more of a wide player etc. etc...

When we inevitably turn the ball over we are then on the back foot. We don't have a dedicated DM who would marshall the midfield and organise us defensively and we're piss easy to get at. To play 2 in MF I'd say you need a monster of a DM like Wanyama and a play maker like Lo Celso or Ndombele - but we don't have 50% of the ingredients for that.

The team setup for Sheff Utd was just bizarre but I was prepared for a tactical masterclass from Mourinho. Instead we got a clusterfuck. I was previously thinking it was Jose's obsession with Dele that was driving the 4231 agenda but then he goes and shoves Bergwijn in there instead. It must be his formation of choice but fuck knows why.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Every top club has a great GK, great fullbacks and usally those with pace, quality DM (or box to box), at least one great creative player and good forwards. You can't play good modern football without all of those, said it 2 years ago. CBs all regressed, Wanyama is gone and broken and FBs aren't good enough. With Everton, Newcastle and Wolves getting money and us becoming Arsenal 2.0 because of stadium we will struggle for top 4 unless there is another Bale or two in the academy. I feel pity for Mourinho not Pochettino, he left at the right time.

We’ll struggle for top 8 mate never mind top 4

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

What system would stop both CBs ball-watching and being the wrong side of their man or marking empty space? Unless we stop literally every ball into the box, there's no system that can protect from those fuck ups.

Spot on

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Poch's tactics encompassed various elements which made us a good defensively.

Unified press, ball retention, High line, maurauding FB's etc.

New manager, new tactics and these players are being exposed even more becauuse they don't have the robust system to compensate for them any more.

Apart from the thumping we took against Brighton? The loss at home to Newcastle? The huffing and puffing in the first meeting against Villa? The defend at all costs against the then mighty free falling Watford away? The cluster fuck at Bayern?

If you're talking Poch two seasons ago - yeah, no shit - this season? Stop airbrushing things out to make invalid arguments. It's tiresome.

 

[carpediem991]

Don't buying that we are so much more solid defensively just yet. Lots of players are rusty and not up to speed yet. Not even to mention team plays. Our defence will be challenged way much more soon I think. Then we can judge.

Well, what a surprise...

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Well, what a surprise...

One game?

 

[carpediem991]

One game?

And the judgement before was after two games?