Jose Mourinho

[fortworthspur]

I don't agree with this in the slightest. We are so negative, setup with a shit midfield, work everything to get Aurier into space, etc. Mourinho 100% is negatively effecting our ability to attack.

Kane, Son, Bergwijn, Lucas, Lo Celso, Ndombele are all more talented players than they're currently showing.

Reading comments from ManU fans they're all saying this is exactly what it was like towards the end with them.

this team was in the CL final a year ago. Yeah it needs strengthening but we have a much stronger side than freaking Bournemouth who will be relegated.

 

[Danners9]

We are so negative, setup with a shit midfield, work everything to get Aurier into space, etc. Mourinho 100% is negatively effecting our ability to attack.

Kane, Son, Bergwijn, Lucas, Lo Celso, Ndombele are all more talented players than they're currently showing.

This bit for sure, and he's not even consistent with his crossing. The 6 players you mention are fully capable of going through the middle and shooting, but instead they are turning back to set up a crossing opportunity. Aurier's assist stats this season show he's used as a main outlet, but imagine if he could cross like, say, Traore at Wolves has been doing recently.

Or imagine if that 'creativity' came from midfield instead.

Putting the ball out wide slows the play down and squanders opportunities. Plenty of corners but it's as if they believe a corner or chance of a cross is worth more than the chance of a direct shot at goal which is baffling. There were chances to shoot yesterday and instead it went out for a cross.

 

[shelfboy68]

we actually had 4 on target and only 1 player that started tonight started in that game Davies.

at least we have a chance of a trophy with Jose though

We have no chance with anyone not sure exactly your going on about.

 

[lol]

The stick this guy gets is unreal. We're lucky to have him as our manager. We've heard who the other candidates were. You'd rather have Eddie Howe or Carlo Ancelotti in? Lmao nice try. We don't live in a fantasy world where we can pick and choose any manager! Would Nagelsmann be a better choice? Yeah probably. But he wasn't an option. Messi and Ronaldo would make our team better too, but that doesn't mean we can have them. Get a grip.

He's done better with the team than Poch this season with half the team injured for the majority of the campaign. He's shown signs of fixing our broken defense. Now he needs to be backed this summer and reshape the squad with players that suit his system.

Look at Ole now at United. He'd been absolute shit for over a year, now he's the second coming.

Support the club, support the manager. Sacking Mourinho isn't going to change the fact our squad needed an overhaul.

Should have supported poch. Never liked the sacking since day 1. We deserve it

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Should have supported poch. Never liked the sacking since day 1. We deserve it

See now there's a 'be careful what you wish for' that I can get on board with. SC was virtually backlogged with people calling for Pochettino to be sacked, now its like nobody will look you in the eye and admit to wanting him gone

 

[DiVaio]

It sounds so familiar...

 

[dtxspurs]

this team was in the CL final a year ago. Yeah it needs strengthening but we have a much stronger side than freaking Bournemouth who will be relegated.

I can't even imagine scoring 3 goals in a game right now.

 

[Gb160]

Fuck me. Just waiting for @Gb160 to turn on him now to complete the set.

We've got work to do lads...

...LADS ?

 

[Japhet]

It’s pretty clear to me that the problem is definitely not the manager. Does Jose have a part in it? Ofcourse, he is the manager and has to shoulder some of the blame.

But fuck me, this group of players is finished. Bar Lo Celso, Bergwijn and funnily enough Winks, they all played like utter shit today. And it’s not only today, it’s been almost 2 fucking years of the same sideways passing no movement no attacking cohesion no one twos no off the ball runs no looking for space no showing for the ball bullshit. It’s the end of an era and we need to mop the entire floor here.

It’s both ENIC and the players for various reasons. We could have Klopp, Ancelotti or Nagelsmann and it would still take them a good couple years to get this team in shape again. Mourinho cannot be blamed for us having 5 shots on target in 3 games, no manager on earth could be blamed for that and this lands solely at the players feet. I’d be fuming to play alongside this lot.

You seriously think this is nothing to do with Mourinho?

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

To be fair to Jose, he has squeezed the last little bit out of this team.

Sadly, it's the last little bit of flair, excitement, pizzazz, joie de vivre and self-expression.

Thought these fancy dan words would be banned after Brexit. You’re playing with fire, Nine

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

Seriously though, doesn't it look like these players have been playing through their skins in the last 4 years under Poch and doing double sessions

That they have nothing left in the tank

I look at the players and they look like guys who have over 100k miles on the clock

The level's will drop naturally as the human body can only take so much, however this is purely a mental block at the moment if you ask me. Tactics and actual attacking game play comes from your mind, which can also take a beating especially since we've had our fair share of big disappointments over the past 4-5 years.

They look dejected, they have since before the CL run. It started when we narrowly lost the league to Leicester, which was all our own doing. Since then slowly but surely a mental rot has set in and it's like these players just don't have any fire or life left in them. I was so happy to see Lloris and Son having a spat as it showed that they at least have some kind of emotion left.

Coming close to winning both the PL and the CL to only falter at the last hurdle must've seriously hurt their feelings. But they are paid to get over these things. They are paid to fight harder and push further the next season and actually win something. That falls at their feet and no one else. We can only feel sorry for them for so long before it becomes a crutch for them to use every time they are useless on the pitch. Pick it up, it's been almost 2 years of this. We cannot keep having a pity party about our failures. We need to push on.

If we are going to get into the second biggest problem which has contributed to the above, is our piss poor recruitment during those infamous 18 months. Don't even need to go into detail, but we've allowed all these players to become complacent and to feel invincible. If I were Jose I would bench the lot that can't be arsed and let our youth play out our final few games. We will at least have some enthusiasm on the pitch.

 

[Wig]

Spurs were denied a penalty by VAR in what the premier league have admitted they got the decision wrong. Kane converts that penalty early in the game, the confidence shifts and it's a completely different game and scoreline. It's clear the team is lacking confidence going forward and it doesn't help when you don't get the breaks.

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

You seriously think this is nothing to do with Mourinho?

Read my first paragraph properly, I said he is too blame, but the players are the main fault here.

A man with the resume he has cannot be the reason why we have played like shit for the past 2 years, he's only been in the post a couple months anyway. He has literally walked into a shitshow club and then the entire world fell into a shitshow at the same time. I do understand it is his job to fix these kind of problems and to iron out the mistakes, but he needs time to do that. And proper time, a proper preseason and some proper recruitment because we desperately need it.

You cannot call a woodworker shit when you haven't provided him with all the tools to do the job properly. Only after you've provided everything necessary can you criticize the craftsmanship.

 

[Montalbano]

A man with the resume he has cannot be the reason why we have played like shit for the past 2 years, he's only been in the post a couple months anyway. He has literally walked into a shitshow club and then the entire world fell into a shitshow at the same time. I do understand it is his job to fix these kind of problems and to iron out the mistakes, but he needs time to do that. And proper time, a proper preseason and some proper recruitment because we desperately need it.

You cannot call a woodworker shit when you haven't provided him with all the tools to do the job properly. Only after you've provided everything necessary can you criticize the craftsmanship.

This 100%. Well said chief.

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

I don't agree with this in the slightest. We are so negative, setup with a shit midfield, work everything to get Aurier into space, etc. Mourinho 100% is negatively effecting our ability to attack.

Kane, Son, Bergwijn, Lucas, Lo Celso, Ndombele are all more talented players than they're currently showing.

Reading comments from ManU fans they're all saying this is exactly what it was like towards the end with them.

We had the exact same problems under Poch. Pick the ball up, pass out wide, hope for a decent cross and expect Kane or Son to score from it. We have not played through the middle or scored from range or had some nice passing goals in 2 years.

Mourinho has literally been here for a few months and it's his fault these players have no creativity? I don't think he has gone out of his way to use the same boring tactic game after game after game, I think it is a pattern of play we get stuck into because its all the players have done for so long.

He does set us up defensively but I really doubt he has said: Get ball to Aurier, Aurier cross, Kane score. It's so rudimentary and cave man like for a man who has a lot of tactical nuance. Anybody who thinks Jose only knows how to defend needs to seriously look at his resume and previous attacking play. He definitely does not rely on individual brilliance.

 

[Metalhead]

See now there's a 'be careful what you wish for' that I can get on board with. SC was virtually backlogged with people calling for Pochettino to be sacked, now its like nobody will look you in the eye and admit to wanting him gone

There seems to be a collective amnesia over his last few months, that's for sure. Not that it really matters. Whether it's people forgetting how annoyed they were getting with Poch or those slagging off the people who wanted Jose - I think that they are kind of forgetting that Daniel Levy makes the decisions, not any of us. The way that some posters on here, who will not be mentioned, have been going on, you'd think that Levy makes his decisions based on people's opinions on here.

 

[Metalhead]

We had the exact same problems under Poch. Pick the ball up, pass out wide, hope for a decent cross and expect Kane or Son to score from it. We have not played through the middle or scored from range or had some nice passing goals in 2 years.

Mourinho has literally been here for a few months and it's his fault these players have no creativity? I don't think he has gone out of his way to use the same boring tactic game after game after game, I think it is a pattern of play we get stuck into because its all the players have done for so long.

He does set us up defensively but I really doubt he has said: Get ball to Aurier, Aurier cross, Kane score. It's so rudimentary and cave man like for a man who has a lot of tactical nuance. Anybody who thinks Jose only knows how to defend needs to seriously look at his resume and previous attacking play. He definitely does not rely on individual brilliance.

People seem to have got it into their heads that this is the end product of Jose's vision for the team.

 

[Gassin's finest]

It’s pretty clear to me that the problem is definitely not the manager. Does Jose have a part in it? Ofcourse, he is the manager and has to shoulder some of the blame.

But fuck me, this group of players is finished. Bar Lo Celso, Bergwijn and funnily enough Winks, they all played like utter shit today. And it’s not only today, it’s been almost 2 fucking years of the same sideways passing no movement no attacking cohesion no one twos no off the ball runs no looking for space no showing for the ball bullshit. It’s the end of an era and we need to mop the entire floor here.

It’s both ENIC and the players for various reasons. We could have Klopp, Ancelotti or Nagelsmann and it would still take them a good couple years to get this team in shape again. Mourinho cannot be blamed for us having 5 shots on target in 3 games, no manager on earth could be blamed for that and this lands solely at the players feet. I’d be fuming to play alongside this lot.

The players visibly aren't motivated and won't play for him. Same thing happened at his second stint at Chelsea, and then at Man Utd.

But I agree that there must be larger issues in play this club atm. We are definitely struggling with this new 'identity' we've forged.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

Read my first paragraph properly, I said he is too blame, but the players are the main fault here.

A man with the resume he has cannot be the reason why we have played like shit for the past 2 years, he's only been in the post a couple months anyway. He has literally walked into a shitshow club and then the entire world fell into a shitshow at the same time. I do understand it is his job to fix these kind of problems and to iron out the mistakes, but he needs time to do that. And proper time, a proper preseason and some proper recruitment because we desperately need it.

You cannot call a woodworker shit when you haven't provided him with all the tools to do the job properly. Only after you've provided everything necessary can you criticize the craftsmanship.

True but Levy is not going to be providing him with the tools to do the job properly.

 

[Montalbano]

The players visibly aren't motivated and won't play for him.

So now every time our team drops points it's going to be because our team doesn't want to play for the manager? There's been absolutely zero evidence this is the case.

Maybe our team is just not good enough at the moment to pick up 3 points every match.