Jose Mourinho

[Yid121]

Some positive comments from him on BBC this morning, actually nice to read

 

[SuperPav10]

I'm still holding out hope that next year will be very very different. His latest interview was true in that everything that's happened is quite unbelievable really. Players and Poch not picking themselves up after the final, signings not settling, bad form, big injuries to key players and then the pandemic. Not to mention being on the wrong side of quite a few dodgy VAR decisions. So... he needs a bit of time, he needs a window or two to try and get some of his players in to set the new standard for the others (a good example is Bruno at Utd. He's lifted the whole squad as it's no coincidence their form and forwards have massively improved since his arrival. That's the impact one player can have).

His history and trophy cabinet earns him to the right to try to build a winning side with us.

 

[chelmyid]

Some positive comments from him on BBC this morning, actually nice to read

Agreed - good comments

interesting to remind people about the number of points he has amassed as well - he’s not really doing a bad job

he’s also managed to get us three clean sheets out of four - something we only managed in the previous 18 matches

no manager has a wand and it feels like he is trying to address things one at a time.

he still clearly doesn’t know his best front 4 (personnel or combination) and it’s obvious to all we are missing a couple ofplayers in key positions

do I like watching us at the moment - absolutely not, it’s boring football and not what we’re used to - but based on the evidence above I’m still prepared to give him a full summer and next season

 

[TheVoiceofReason]

We’ll know by the end of the transfer window whether next season will be different. Changes are needed.

 

[spursfan77]

Last ten PL games reads W 4 D 3 L 3

Not great but not horrendous.

 

[Deleted member 29446]

This season has been turgid from start to finish. But Jose deserves a summer and a chance to swap out some players and make the team his own. If we’re still crap come November or December, that’s a different story.

Problem here is. Jose has already had 8 months. Are we seeing enough of improvement to justify giving him until December next year? By that time if something haven’t dramatically improved we have just wasted another season.

 

[Wsussexspur]

Fair’s Fair positive sound bites from Jose this morning.. personally think it very much puts pressure on Levy to get the transfer window right. Still have no faith Levy has the ability to do that. With the rumours the window won’t close until early October a month after season starts it will be no surprise to find the first 4 weeks of the season much the same as the end of this one whilst levy plays his normal games in the transfer market and then on last day of window we end up either with Jose’s fourth choice player or some random punt on a player in a position we don’t need.

Assuming Jose is still going to be here at the start of next season which all the noises coming from the club are that he is going to be no matter the results & performances in next two weeks. It’s going to be very interesting to see what Jose’s mood will be during this period. At Manchester United he wasn’t backwards about coming forward when Woodwood messed around in the transfer window and he didn’t get the players he wanted.

 

[buckley]

A man that has achieved what Jose has is certainly no mug and I believe that he already knows who he wants out out and who affordably comes in there will be a lot of movement . This season is torture but none the less I am optimistic for next season .
Two holding midfielders a right back a back up or to play alongside Kane and a class midfielder one who scores goals and creates goal scoring chances and despite his age Willian fits the bill . Just get this season out of the way and move the deadwood out and bring in some fresh faces and I am looking forward to next season but cannot get this season over quick enough .
The list of names of free transfer or players in the last year of their contract or relegated clubs players who I think we are interested in are
Willian / Frazer / Hoijberg / Aarons / Cantwell / to name but a few but any one of them would help us in our present position .

 

[rabbikeane]

Talk sport have an article about the Premier League table since Mourinho took over. We're 6th - ahead of Chelsea, Leicester, Arsenal etc.
From a relegation threatened situation with massive injury crisis. The results are ok, and we're far from seeing Mourinho's final team.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Time. He deserves the summer and a window.

Tactics and football on the pitch have been undeniably frustrating/poor.

I've backed all our managers at the beginning. I'll continue to do so until I can't.

 

[Gbspurs]

Yes let’s blame Jose when poch never won anything , when will fans start realising levy is the problem, poch was his lottery ticket now reality kicks in

I do agree to some extent. Poch was the golden goose and the whole situation was so poorly mismanaged. We should have given Poch everything he wanted in 2017 instead of going 2 windows without signing anyone and not letting him get rid of players when he wanted.

I'd say its easy in hindsight but I think we all knew this at the time which makes its more frustrating.

Eriksen was never staying and should have gone in the summer. If he had I'd bet anything that we would have bought Bruno Fernandes in.

 

[thekneaf]

This season is terribly disappointing, but since the return our form hasn't been awful, it's just been awful to watch. This is compounded by the fact we needed to go on an absolution tear up and basically win out to make a dream of a top 4 finish. I think many of us hoped Son and Kane would return and deliver this dream.

This hasn't happened. The football is as dead as the empty stadiums.

Last 5 games we won 8 points. That's 1.875 per game. Spin that out over a season and that's 71 points. Over the last decade that gets you anywhere from 2nd to 6th place. Again, not defending the tactics, just looking at the numbers.

This isn't as miserable as people are making out from a form perspective. And yes we can be upset about the boring football, but let's not embarrass ourselves. If this is our form with terrible football, let's see what a bit more tinkering with the squad produces.

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The maths in this post is terrible. The points average is 1.6 which spins out to 60.8 pts

 

[brasil_spur]

Problem here is. Jose has already had 8 months. Are we seeing enough of improvement to justify giving him until December next year? By that time if something haven’t dramatically improved we have just wasted another season.

You cannot say he has had 8 months when it's not even quite been that yet and we've had COVID in the middle. Add to that the shit run of injuries he had to deal with which was made worse by our previous two seasons of largely shit transfer activity and I don't think it's fair to judge him yet, especially as the season isn't over.

 

[thekneaf]

I do agree to some extent. Poch was the golden goose and the whole situation was so poorly mismanaged. We should have given Poch everything he wanted in 2017 instead of going 2 windows without signing anyone and not letting him get rid of players when he wanted.

I'd say its easy in hindsight but I think we all knew this at the time which makes its more frustrating.

Eriksen was never staying and should have gone in the summer. If he had I'd bet anything that we would have bought Bruno Fernandes in.

The backing Poch got was Levy didn't sell anyone bar Walker who basically downed tools and demanded to leave. That takes serious restraint considering the mark ups on players like Dier and Dele. Poch was wonderful, but he squeezed every last drop out of his core squad. I will add, I'd have been furious if we'd sold those players, but I'm a fan and fury is almost a default when someone threatens to take my nice things away.

 

[ilikeost]

Problem here is. Jose has already had 8 months. Are we seeing enough of improvement to justify giving him until December next year? By that time if something haven’t dramatically improved we have just wasted another season.

You can't really say he has had 8 months... But the issue isn't only time, it's the squad. Poch wasn't able to get these players going, Mou is now trying but there hasn't been any major improvements. Do you at this point seriously believe the issue is with the manager? Poch was fucked over (or too picky) when it came to recruiting players. If Mou doesn't get some investment in the squad the next few transfer windows nothing will change. Getting rid of Mou before giving him the chance to build something would be the definition of waste.

 

[E17yid]

You cannot say he has had 8 months when it's not even quite been that yet and we've had COVID in the middle. Add to that the shit run of injuries he had to deal with which was made worse by our previous two seasons of largely shit transfer activity and I don't think it's fair to judge him yet, especially as the season isn't over.

You are totally right, we shouldn’t judge him now and he definitely deserves more time but I’ll be honest I don’t really care what he deserves. I’m much more concerned with his ability to rebuild the squad and the likelihood that he’ll be able to turn it around.

I don’t want to be sat here in Feb/March next year when we’re mid table saying to myself “well at least we gave him the time he deserved, we gave him a fair crack” (which probably wouldn’t be true anyway with Levy as chairman)

At the moment I just see no evidence that he’ll be able to do either. I guess as far as the squad rebuild goes he won’t have total, or even that much, control over transfers anyway so that part doesn’t really matter which just leaves us with can he turn it around? Looking at the players at the moment I’d say no.

I’m keen to see how these last few games play out. Get a drubbing against Arsenal and only pick up a few points from our remaining games after that and I couldn’t really give a shit about giving him a fair crack, tbh.

I acknowledge that some of this is down to it being Mourinho, though, and whilst I was on board with him coming in it’s still Mourinho at the end of the day and it’s hard to block out those previous 15-20 years of him being a ****. I accept that’s all on me being a prick, though, and naturally I’m a fickle twat so if he does turn it around I’ll be singing his praises no doubt.

 

[Metalhead]

I'm still holding out hope that next year will be very very different. His latest interview was true in that everything that's happened is quite unbelievable really. Players and Poch not picking themselves up after the final, signings not settling, bad form, big injuries to key players and then the pandemic. Not to mention being on the wrong side of quite a few dodgy VAR decisions. So... he needs a bit of time, he needs a window or two to try and get some of his players in to set the new standard for the others (a good example is Bruno at Utd. He's lifted the whole squad as it's no coincidence their form and forwards have massively improved since his arrival. That's the impact one player can have).

His history and trophy cabinet earns him to the right to try to build a winning side with us.

That CL final really seemed to destroy us. I think that it was a symptom more than the actual issue though. I think that everyone knew that the team was on a downward curve so it almost represented some kind of salvation.

 

[Albertbarich]

The thought if going into next season with him fills me with dread. I dont want this anti football.

The only time I've ever not given a manager a chance was sherwood who I thought was a clown from the start and I get an even worse vibe than that.

Sherwood was a chancer who got on Levys good books. Mourinho obviously has a cv that's second to none but look at the way he handled the United job and see what's happening here. Its not the same manager.

I really want to go into next season with optimism. Not going to happen if he's still here.

 

[The Doc]

This season is terribly disappointing, but since the return our form hasn't been awful, it's just been awful to watch. This is compounded by the fact we needed to go on an absolution tear up and basically win out to make a dream of a top 4 finish. I think many of us hoped Son and Kane would return and deliver this dream.

This hasn't happened. The football is as dead as the empty stadiums.

Last 5 games we won 8 points. That's 1.875 per game. Spin that out over a season and that's 71 points. Over the last decade that gets you anywhere from 2nd to 6th place. Again, not defending the tactics, just looking at the numbers.

This isn't as miserable as people are making out from a form perspective. And yes we can be upset about the boring football, but let's not embarrass ourselves. If this is our form with terrible football, let's see what a bit more tinkering with the squad produces.

It's 1.6 ppg. Or 61 over the course of a season. Probably enough for 5th or 6th at best. Maybe not even that. Anyway, all moot as this season is like no other. Pretty much everyone agrees it is eyebleedingly poor in terms of general play, but my assumption is that he gets at least the Summer window and a decent chunk of next season too. That's probably fair. Anyway, DL is unlikely to do anything else. Sacking 2 managers inside 12 months hardly showcases his decision-making in a good way.

 

[Gbspurs]

The backing Poch got was Levy didn't sell anyone bar Walker who basically downed tools and demanded to leave. That takes serious restraint considering the mark ups on players like Dier and Dele. Poch was wonderful, but he squeezed every last drop out of his core squad. I will add, I'd have been furious if we'd sold those players, but I'm a fan and fury is almost a default when someone threatens to take my nice things away.

I'm not sure Levy deserves that credit as I'm not sure there as that much interest. I suspect we had to fight to hold onto Dier but I don't recall alot of interest in the big hitters since Walker.

Sometimes it's braver to sell when you don't want to but tbf I don't trust Levy to properly reinvest anyway so it's probably irrelevant.