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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

Everlasting Seconds

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Jan 9, 2014
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The main problem for me is that the narrative last autumn was that Mourinho was this evolved manager and humble person now and would bring all these new ideas with him to his new job. Then by the time we faced Chelsea (in December), one started suspecting that in fact he was more himself than ever., apart from that humbleness was correct. A Mourinho who subscribes still to his old school thinking and also is humble, well what you are left with isn't all that entertaining.

His approach from earlier days, which was all about chipping away at and wearing down the opponents, isn't enough anymore. And to a degree Pochettino learned (I hope) the same lesson. Pochettino was all about running the opponent to the ground and by physical ability nicking a 3-pointer when the opponent was exhausted. Mourinho too is all about that idea in general, but he seeks to achieve it through different means than what Pochettino would.

But the end result nowadays is the same. Premier League has moved on and is no longer only a physical contest. You can no longer outrun a premier league team (Pochettino) or out-frustrate them (Mourinho). You have to outsmart them. The spirit of most premier league wins today is much more about intelligence. I'm not calling Mourinho an unintelligent man. I believe he is very smart. I just regret that he hadn't really evolved from an unrefined, siege mentality approach, knowing that Premier League has.
 
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Ledley's Right Foot

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Jun 18, 2012
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The man that parked the bus at home to Sheff Utd in their bad patch, will surely park the bus vs Arse.

Just checking, do you mean the game at the lane, or the last one, which was away? And, the problem in that game was we played too open, we didn't park the bus. And their bad patch? Results since have shown it was no fluke, they are a really good team who have played together for years and know how to win.

That said, I get your point. Our team is not clicking yet. I'm not sure we should play too open against arsenal today though, they are in good form.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Nov 15, 2018
18,702
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Looking back over our results. Bournemouth is the only game you can feel unhappy with since the restart.

Sheffield United took points of Arsenal at home in the league, just smashed Chelsea and except for a horrendous keeper error, they would have got a draw against Liverpool.

The performances haven't been what we were used to under Poch but our defence was a sive. Every time a quality team attacked I was biting my nails! Also take into account the two dismal VAR decisions and the injuries at start of Jose's tenure too.

I don't know understand people's frustrations with Jose. He needs to change the philosophy of our club. In the near 40 years ive suppprted Spurs, we've always had a soft centre, even last season when we reached the champions league final. You don't win trophies with soft centres. Offensively we were poor at Bournemouth, the ball was moved way to slowly to break them down. That is something that can be worked on and maybe a change of personnel would help too; Lamela doesn't help a quick offensive tactic because he holds the ball too long and slows the play, Dele too.

We've had years of hurt. And all I've ever read on here is we need to bring in winners, people who know what it takes to win. We have now done that and loads of you want him out.


Arsenal's success in the late 90's early 00's was built upon a defense made famous by George (1-0) Graham. They were boring as shit. But with that strong backbone Wenger brought in some quality offensive players and they ended up with 2 doubles.

Have faith people.
Yes because its boring as shit to the point that a lot of us can't even bare to watch us. There is being defensive and then there is having 0 shots on target against 19th placed Bournemouth who previously let in 5 goals in their match before.

This isn't Spurs, its not enjoyable at all and I don't even think it can be successful.
 

Metalhead

But that's a debate for another thread.....
Nov 24, 2013
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38,294
The main problem for me is that the narrative last autumn was that Mourinho was this evolved manager and humble person now and would bring all these new ideas with him to his new job. Then by the time we faced Chelsea (in December), one started suspecting that in fact he was more himself than ever., apart from that humbleness was correct. A Mourinho who subscribes still to his old school thinking and in also is humble, well what you are left with isn't all that entertaining.

His approach from earlier days, which was all about chipping away at and wearing down the opponents, isn't enough anymore. And to a degree Pochettino learned (I hope) the same lesson. Pochettino was all about running the opponent to the ground and by physical ability nicking a 3-pointer when the opponent was exhausted. Mourinho too is all about that idea in general, but he seeks to achieve it through different means than what Pochettino would.

But the end results nowadays is the same. Premier League has moved on and is no longer only a physical contest. You can no longer outrun a premier league team (Pochettino) or out-frustrate them (Mourinho). You have to outsmart them. The spirit of most premier league wins today is much more about intelligence. I'm not calling Mourinho an unintelligent man. I believe he is very smart. I just regret that he hadn't really evolved from an unrefined, siege mentality approach, knowing that Premier League has.
It can work to an extent - Leicester perfected a formula that earned them a PL title. I would totally have swapped systems with them if it had earned us a title that season.
 

SPURSLIFE

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Jul 21, 2011
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And we didn't 'park the bus' against them either, such an overused term which has lost all it's meaning.
Wasn't he the first person to use the phrase "Park the Bus" a lot in his Chelsea days when teams played defensively against them ? Oh how times change.
 

leelee

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Oct 6, 2004
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Yes because its boring as shit to the point that a lot of us can't even bare to watch us. There is being defensive and then there is having 0 shots on target against 19th placed Bournemouth who previously let in 5 goals in their match before.

This isn't Spurs, its not enjoyable at all and I don't even think it can be successful.

Bournemouth was but as I've said the ball movement wasn't quick enough. Penalty on Kane in first half and it's a different game. The other games since restart and we've had a fair few shots in all of them. But teams are sitting back so ball needs to be moved quicker.

We need to become hard to beat, then we can focus on the offensive side of games. All winning teams are built on solid foundations. Jose had nothing to do with the buying and selling of this back four, that's on Poch who many want back.

It doesn't make sense to me.
 

Metalhead

But that's a debate for another thread.....
Nov 24, 2013
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Wasn't he the first person to use the phrase "Park the Bus" a lot in his Chelsea days when teams played defensively against them ? Oh how times change.
It was against us when (rather embarrassingly now in retrospect) we celebrated a goalless draw against them like a cup final win. In fairness though we were absolutely shite against them back then.
 

buckley

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Sep 15, 2012
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When people talk about getting rid of Jose they pull out all these wonderful names of managers who have never been proven in the premiership and as for the top coaches in the premiership they are already spoken for and are playing for clubs that can match or outstrip what we would pay and why would they want to go to a club that wants to be top notch but their transfer budget is aligned to a bottom ten club .You either stick with Jose and give him a window or two ( my preference ) or you go for a promising manager that may be able to do something special someone like the Brighton manager because other top managers are unlikely to come to us and Levy is unlikely to pay the kind of wages that Jose gets as he probably feels at this moment he may have made an error thats going to cost an arm and a leg to get out of.
 

stov

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Jul 20, 2005
3,353
6,112
Looking back over our results. Bournemouth is the only game you can feel unhappy with since the restart.

Sheffield United took points of Arsenal at home in the league, just smashed Chelsea and except for a horrendous keeper error, they would have got a draw against Liverpool.

The performances haven't been what we were used to under Poch but our defence was a sive. Every time a quality team attacked I was biting my nails! Also take into account the two dismal VAR decisions and the injuries at start of Jose's tenure too.

I don't know understand people's frustrations with Jose. He needs to change the philosophy of our club. In the near 40 years ive suppprted Spurs, we've always had a soft centre, even last season when we reached the champions league final. You don't win trophies with soft centres. Offensively we were poor at Bournemouth, the ball was moved way to slowly to break them down. That is something that can be worked on and maybe a change of personnel would help too; Lamela doesn't help a quick offensive tactic because he holds the ball too long and slows the play, Dele too.

We've had years of hurt. And all I've ever read on here is we need to bring in winners, people who know what it takes to win. We have now done that and loads of you want him out.

Arsenal's success in the late 90's early 00's was built upon a defense made famous by George (1-0) Graham. They were boring as shit. But with that strong backbone Wenger brought in some quality offensive players and they ended up with 2 doubles.

Have faith people.
Really don't want the anti-football. Its a fallacy that you need to build success from the back in modern football. Obviously a good defence is important but Energy, positive play are likely to yield results too. Look at atalanta, all out attack and punching massively above their weight. Plus the fans have something to enjoy, rather than the turgid dross we are currently witnessing.

The roy keane/ Gary neville soft centre argument annoys the hell out of me, we have shown real fight in the last 10 years. Selective memory, we fought back against man City and ajax in the previous rounds of cl. Its normal for teams in their first major final to be a little overawed, remember Liverpool the year before? but we have a soft centre? Its a lazy argument used to justify the support of a washed up manager who is 15 years behind the curve. How many arsenal 1-0 teams are currently winning things? None.
 

seppo

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Feb 5, 2018
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Not sure what's funny - it's the truth both objectively and factually. Obviously I see why it's easy to brush it all over with the result ending the way it did, but that would be foolish - I'm going out on a limb hoping you're not a fool.
 

Shadydan

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Jul 7, 2012
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Not sure what's funny - it's the truth both objectively and factually. Obviously I see why it's easy to brush it all over with the result ending the way it did, but that would be foolish - I'm going out on a limb hoping you're not a fool.

I actually thought you were joking

If you want to use 40 mins against Bayern to help your argument then be my guest, if you're being serious then there's no point having this conversation.
 
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