Jose Mourinho

[Locotoro]

I watched the Bayern hammering of Schalke this week and realised the style of play is exactly what Jose is trying to create. Fast transitions, direct passing, variable pressing - only difference is of course they do it so efficiently.

 

[RichieS]

I watched the Bayern hammering of Schalke this week and realised the style of play is exactly what Jose is trying to create. Fast transitions, direct passing, variable pressing - only difference is of course they do it so efficiently.

Almost as though they're German...

 

[jurgen]

I miss Bus Conductor. It's rare to be able to enjoy reading somebody's posts while also disagreeing with almost all of it.

It's also rare to find someone whose ideal game of football was actually the soccer joke from The Simpsons, he definitely took Brendan's 'but we won the passing' to heart:

 

[Shadydan]

I’m so excited to see the turgid football Mourinho serves up with this exciting squad.

If he can get Real Madrid 2011/12 and Chelsea 2014/15 levels out of it then it's anything but turgid.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

If he can get Real Madrid 2011/12 and Chelsea 2014/15 levels out of it then it's anything but turgid.

That ain't going to happen. Times have changed

 

[taidgh]

That ain't going to happen. Times have changed

So boring. You've said the same thing about 100 different ways. We all understand your point of view. Why not take a break from this thread and go find some happiness elsewhere. Go on - it'll be good for you.

 

[Shadydan]

That ain't going to happen. Times have changed

Why is that then?

 

[LeParisien]

If he can get Real Madrid 2011/12 and Chelsea 2014/15 levels out of it then it's anything but turgid.

If he can get us playing like Real Madrid that’ll be great. Largely flat track bullies but we would all be delighted. Precious little evidence he’ll get us playing like Real fucking Madrid though.

Chelsea 14/15 did not play fantastic football. Fabregas was excellent. Costa too. Otherwise it was just consistent results grinding with an amazing defence. Except when they spanked us 3-0. They were great that day.

 

[absolute bobbins]

IIRC, one wanted Rodgers and the other wanted Lambert.

Lambert!?! As in Paul?

 

[spids]

...to win matches you need a good attack, to win titles you need a good defence.

Excellent point. A new CB is key to being really successful this season.

 

[Albertbarich]

Excellent point. A new CB is key to being really successful this season.

I'm not sure if I was levy id go for this.

We have given both Toby and dier what I presume to be huge new deals, only a couple of years ago did we buy sanchez for 40 plus million and behind them we have the excellent tanganga who also has a new deal and even the Argentina International Foyth who has never been given a real go. If we go three at the back, Davies can also slot in.

New expensive players are always exciting but after handing out those new deals I cant see why the current bunch aren't enough.

If mourinho hadn't given Toby a new deal or hadn't made dier such an integral part of the side I would have a different opinion.

 

[Shadydan]

If he can get us playing like Real Madrid that’ll be great. Largely flat track bullies but we would all be delighted. Precious little evidence he’ll get us playing like Real fucking Madrid though.

Chelsea 14/15 did not play fantastic football. Fabregas was excellent. Costa too. Otherwise it was just consistent results grinding with an amazing defence. Except when they spanked us 3-0. They were great that day.

There's little evidence because maybe we haven't been able to field a first eleven yet that would resemble anything like his Real team, perhaps wait until until things settle down a little, that would be a good idea.

I didn't say anything about Chelsea playing 'fantastic football' the response was to the turgid claims hence why I bought them up and they were anything but...we don't need to be so black and white in our arguments.

 

[LeParisien]

There's little evidence because maybe we haven't been able to field a first eleven yet that would resemble anything like his Real team, perhaps wait until until things settle down a little, that would be a good idea.

Pro - let’s see if he can get us playing like the biggest club in the world 9 years ago.

Contre - every season of his since

The hope is that he will make us an effective side that wins more games of football and hopefully a trophy. I really hope that will happen. But it’s unusual to see someone argue he will make us play good football (ie not turgid).

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

So boring. You've said the same thing about 100 different ways. We all understand your point of view. Why not take a break from this thread and go find some happiness elsewhere. Go on - it'll be good for you.

Isn't this forum about being able to express opinions? My opinion of Mourinho is obviously different to yours, but I've not gone all personal and childish with suggesting that you're a right miserable and self righteous twat.

 

[spursfan77]

I just hope Jose can get it all to click now because that's one thing we have very rarely been able to do since he arrived, and admittedly for a period before that in all honesty. We are weeding out the mediocre players from the first 11 and starting to raise the general quality. I still just think we need that additional creative central player to help knit everything together, but from looking very far to having a decent enough team this season, we're looking just a few players away from having an incredibly talented squad.

I agree. I think he and the players have just got to deliver now. There’s no excuses. Trouble is, we’ve started the season in reverse gear. I worry today as I can see Southampton turning us over if we don’t approach the game with the right mentality. Can the players listen, concentrate and deliver over 90 minutes? I’m not convinced.

 

[Shadydan]

Pro - let’s see if he can get us playing like the biggest club in the world 9 years ago.

Contre - every season of his since

The hope is that he will make us an effective side that wins more games of football and hopefully a trophy. I really hope that will happen. But it’s unusual to see someone argue he will make us play good football (ie not turgid).

Turgid football is subjective regarless so this is a pointless debate. What I'm hoping for is consistent and winning football so the wet dreams about attacking football is secondary as long as we win, that should be the remit.

If you want sexy football we should hire Bielsa or rehire Poch but then I'd have to question what's more important to you.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

I'm hoping to see him build a winning football team seemingly knowing that these players currently being purchased are all part of the plan.

I'd also like to see improvement on some of what we have seen since the restart. Hopefully that starts today.

 

[LeParisien]

Turgid football is subjective regarless so this is a pointless debate. What I'm hoping for is consistent and winning football so the wet dreams about attacking football is secondary as long as we win, that should be the remit.

If you want sexy football we should hire Bielsa or rehire Poch but then I'd have to question what's more important to you.

You have to be balls deep into subjectivism to argue that Mourinho hasn’t got us playing underwhelming football so far. It hasn’t been great for 10 months.

And it wasn’t great under Poch for 10 months either. Apart from the thrilling champions league run which counts some of the most exciting spurs games I’ve ever seen.

Mourinho would have to get us playing better than the sum of our parts for us to win something. And he hasn’t done that since Inter. That’s not his style. He creates a team of stingy warriors and relies on moments of individual brilliance going forward. Bale will help a lot with that once he gets fit but we aren’t going to have a stingy defence with this personnel and we’ll waste a lot of exciting talent in the process.

Realistically he might get us a domestic cup win and champions league. Fingers crossed!

 

[Shadydan]

You have to be balls deep into subjectivism to argue that Mourinho hasn’t got us playing underwhelming football so far. It hasn’t been great for 10 months.

And it wasn’t great under Poch for 10 months either. Apart from the thrilling champions league run which counts some of the most exciting spurs games I’ve ever seen.

Mourinho would have to get us playing better than the sum of our parts for us to win something. And he hasn’t done that since Inter. That’s not his style. He creates a team of stingy warriors and relies on moments of individual brilliance going forward. Bale will help a lot with that once he gets fit but we aren’t going to have a stingy defence with this personnel and we’ll waste a lot of exciting talent in the process.

Realistically he might get us a domestic cup win and champions league. Fingers crossed!

This is why I mentioned patience earlier Patience because the window hasn't closed in my earlier post I mentioned that we should buy another CB and I think we will. Patience because post lockdown we were looking a lot more solid and organised in defence as a team at least and until we get our new signing on the pitch playing consistently and Jose has an idea of what his first team is we're going to see inconsistencies. I don't expect fee flowing attacking football, my expectations are set with this manager - I expect consistent winning football and grinding out or at least attempting to grind out results against the big teams.

 

[austinfh]

Isn't he meant to be able to organise a defence?