Jose Mourinho

[SpursD22]

Success is subjective amongst fans. Daniel Levy will have objectives in mind and will no doubt have talked expectations with Jose but I would be surprised if he is expecting a league or champions league title within the next couple of seasons. He will be looking for progress obviously but I would be surprised if it's as definitive as the targets that you mentioned.

Jose isn’t exactly known for being a long term manager so his objectives should be within his 3 full seasons. We were close with Poch so bringing in a new manager who earns a lot, backs him and has a good squad and he doesn’t win the league or CL imo is failure

What else did we bring him in for?

 

[Metalhead]

Jose isn’t exactly known for being a long term manager so his objectives should be within his 3 full seasons. We were close with Poch so bringing in a new manager who earns a lot, backs him and has a good squad and he doesn’t win the league or CL imo is failure

What else did we bring him in for?

I'd think of it more as a restart rather than a continuation. With regard to Mourinho and the three year thing, it's not an exact model. I think that this has now become a project rather than a simple case of Mourinho the firefighter. Remember that this is the manager that DL has always wanted and he will want him here as long as possible. This is a different ball game to every club he has been at bar maybe Porto.

 

[buckley]

Regards the spat with Lampard I have just seen him on TV and he is acting the injured party . It would be interesting to know what he was saying that wound up Jose enough to make him act as he did . I take the stance that they both are sly dogs but I do find Lampard projects himself in such a way that anybody other than spurs fans would see Lampard as the injured party . I really find Lampard an untrustworthy character and could mention several incidents and comments by him that instead of making him a top bloke which he is trying to portray instead for me he comes across as a sneaky untrustworthy person .And that incident with Jose confirms my opinion he tried it on with Jose and Jose bit . But to anybody looking on it looks like Jose is the one overreacting . As I say Lampard is a snake in sheep's clothing .
Jose at least is openly a git .

 

[Shadydan]

Regards the spat with Lampard I have just seen him on TV and he is acting the injured party . It would be interesting to know what he was saying that wound up Jose enough to make him act as he did . I take the stance that they both are sly dogs but I do find Lampard projects himself in such a way that anybody other than spurs fans would see Lampard as the injured party . I really find Lampard an untrustworthy character and could mention several incidents and comments by him that instead of making him a top bloke which he is trying to portray instead for me he comes across as a sneaky untrustworthy person .And that incident with Jose confirms my opinion he tried it on with Jose and Jose bit . But to anybody looking on it looks like Jose is the one overreacting . As I say Lampard is a snake in sheep's clothing .
Jose at least is openly a git .

He said that Jose talks more to the 4th official more than his players, Jose said when he was losing 3-0 (against West Brom) he didn't see him so vocal on the touchline.

 

[buckley]

Confirmation of my view as Lampards talking about the spat as tho Jose was the instigator he had no justifiable need to mention about him talking to the 4th official unless it was to try to get Jose to respond . And in this he was successful as Jose took the bait allowing snake hips to act the injured party as tho Jose was having a pop for nothing .
As I say Jose is an honest git . Lampard is a sly snake git .

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Confirmation of my view as Lampards talking about the spat as tho Jose was the instigator he had no justifiable need to mention about him talking to the 4th official unless it was to try to get Jose to respond . And in this he was successful as Jose took the bait allowing snake hips to act the injured party as tho Jose was having a pop for nothing .
As I say Jose is an honest git . Lampard is a sly snake git .

haha I know where you’re coming from but that is definitely not entirely the case

Jose will use any form of gamesmanship or shithousary (whether sly or up front) at any given time to hopefully give his team an edge

He’ll never apologise for it whichever form it takes

 

[RichieS]

He's got connections (Mendes) and a reputation that greases the wheels. Put a good deal in front of Levy and he'll pull the trigger. Always has.

They're a match made in heaven. We are, finally, cooking on gas.

 

[sausage]

Mourinho is the second highest earner only behind Pep so with the huge money we’re paying him should we expect him to win the league? I mean having a manager who earns that much, have the squad that we have and how close we were to win the league & CL should we be very happy content and if he wins us a cup and get us to the CL? I know us as a club isn’t as big as the rest of the top 6 and we haven’t won anything for 12 years but I think other teams would expect more from the manager if he earns that much and has that squad

Just to expand a tad on this - Mourinho replaced Pochettino as the 2nd highest earner. Poch was on £8.5m, and at the time (I think he's renewed since) Klopp was on £7.5m as the third highest. Not sure if the argument still works the same in that context.

 

[whitestreak]

This is so spot on. Jose didn’t have the same control of backing at man.u as he has done here with Levy, sure he spent a decent amount of money but their squad was very very poor relative to their ambitions when he took over and yet still he finished 2nd and won 2.5 trophies!

Jose is like marmite and it is frustrating when general football fans who only know the surface of what is going on criticise him without the full picture.

It’s similar to when he took our squad over, it was stale and need of a refresh but still better than the man.u one he had, but he tried to firstly sort our organisation and defence out before more recently and with new signings now improving our attacking play, but if we’d not given Jose any new players this summer I’m certain he’d still have us playing pretty defensive ‘boring football because that is the way he sees getting the most effective results out of such a squad, but now we’ve signed Doherty, PEH, Regulion, Bale, Vinicus and have our key players fit and not injured it’s no surprise that our play is more balanced and adventurous as he now has the weapons at his disposal to play that way, the guy isn’t stupid, he’s won everything there is across multiple decades and in different countries and leagues, you don’t just suddenly ‘lose it’ when you’ve achieved all that.

Also you have to say the way he’s managed our squad this week is absolutely world class management.

Onwards and upwards.

Best post on here in ages!

 

[Seafordian Spurs]

Frank Lampard.

****.

You're welcome.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Frank Lampard.

****.

You're welcome.

What's he said?

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I agree with a lot of this BUT in terms of backing he’s been backed here to an extent however with the exception of bale none of our other transfers have mega fees they are all quite shrewd and low value

At United he was able to spend big especially on lukaku . He’s not getting that type of money with us right now

I don't get your point though as I said he didn't have the same level of control of backing at Man.U as he's had here, I said that he spent a fair bit of money but he was crying out for a top class CB amongst other things and Ed Woodward didn't sign off on them whereas this summer he's had full reign to basically build a whole new-look first team and squad. As ITK's said at the start of the tw Jose gave a lot of realistic targets and to be fair Levy seems to have gone and got pretty much all of them and Bale is a bonus so the control he's had here to actually build a squad to his suiting has been better, he had to put up with Phil Jones, Lingard and others for quite a while and still ended up 2nd and won 2.5 trophies and no manager after fergie either before or after jose since has come close to that at Man.U.

Basically what I was saying is general football fans often don't put things into perspective and understand the reality of situations and they just go off the media narrative that he played boring football and was sacked, that is just a media spin but if you look at the reality and the facts jose has been a success absolutely everywhere he's been and i'd argue no manager in history has been as consistent in achieving so much with so many different clubs across different leagues.

Also this narrative that he needs to spend big to be successful is also too black and white, yes he has done that for example at Chelsea in his first spell and he made a few big money signings at Man.U but he also won the UEFA Cup and CL on a shoestring budget at Porto, he won the treble with Inter not spending obscene amounts, he won the league with real madrid against the best Barcelona side of all time, like any manager he wants the best players he can get but aside from the money what needs to be recognised is that Mourinho is exceptionally good at knowing how to put together the right ingredients to create a winning squad (notice I say squad and not just team).
A good example of this is at Chelsea when he asked for Abramovic to sign Drogba and he laughed and said who.. and said really you want me to sign this guy for you, you can basically have any striker in the world are you sure you want him? And Jose just said trust me, if we sign him we will win the league, if you want to be successful which I think is why you brought me here then just trust me.

Jose is by no means perfect and I think he's learnt a bit from a few of his biggest 'mistakes' such as some player fallings out at Real Madrid, the Chelsea physio incident, falling out with Pogba but also the choice to take the Man.U job actually not being the right one, if you watch the two below interviews with Jose it will help you to understand him better and he basically says in as many words that the Man.U job for a number of reasons was not the right job for him and that is why he is happy to wait enough time for the right opportunity for his next job which will be a better fit.

Jose loves being the underdog, people who don't properly follow him or aren't deeply into football just your general fan will go along with the media narrative of him spending big and playing boring football but that is very much not the full story and we are so far seeing what a good fit he can be when he's in the right environment and is given enough freedom to build and mould a squad.

As long as there are no huge fallings out with players etc which I can't see as very likely anytime soon given the two games this week it looks like he's got all 25 of the players to buy into giving 110% so if we avoid any big fallings out I think with the squad he's building we have a hell of a chance of winning something.

COYS

Fascinating watches on the special one:






7min in "The season Leicester won it, Tottenham could've won it..." he knew then the potential of our club.

 

[Who’s our next manager?]

haha I know where you’re coming from but that is definitely not entirely the case

Jose will use any form of gamesmanship or shithousary (whether sly or up front) at any given time to hopefully give his team an edge

He’ll never apologise for it whichever form it takes

About time we had someone like that, Pep , Klopp have monopolised things like that for far too long.

 

[spids]

I wonder if Mourinho knew all along that Levy was going to bust out 7 figures this summer and that they’ve been planning this since last November?

 

[worcestersauce]

Regards the spat with Lampard I have just seen him on TV and he is acting the injured party . It would be interesting to know what he was saying that wound up Jose enough to make him act as he did . I take the stance that they both are sly dogs but I do find Lampard projects himself in such a way that anybody other than spurs fans would see Lampard as the injured party . I really find Lampard an untrustworthy character and could mention several incidents and comments by him that instead of making him a top bloke which he is trying to portray instead for me he comes across as a sneaky untrustworthy person .And that incident with Jose confirms my opinion he tried it on with Jose and Jose bit . But to anybody looking on it looks like Jose is the one overreacting . As I say Lampard is a snake in sheep's clothing .
Jose at least is openly a git .

To put it another way he's an oily two faced snake in the grass. I agree.

 

[buckley]

One of the main plus's for me is the fact that he is trying to win every thing that we have entered unlike all others going back to Jol who also tried to win every competition we were in . Poch And Rednapp in particular made no attempt in at least two of the three cups and the league was their priority it appears that the next game is Jose's priority and I am loving it . I used to recent paying my hard earned cash to watch games that I knew we were destined to lose because of their perceived priorities . I now know if I go to a game the manager will put out a team that will try to win . This is not to say that he will not rotate because he will but he sends the team out with a winning mentality and I am loving it . I believe that with some of our managers because of the fixture congestion and a ready made excuse for not winning the would have sent out a team on the pitch with the idea " this is a competition we can't win " and we would have lost the Chelsea game and in all probability lost in that first Euro qualifier against Plovdiv .

 

[RikkiRocket]

Every time I see him, I like him less. I used to think he was alright, but now...

his accent does my head in. It’s like bacon pretending to be sausage. Confusing

 

[Tucker]

One of the main plus's for me is the fact that he is trying to win every thing that we have entered unlike all others going back to Jol who also tried to win every competition we were in . Poch And Rednapp in particular made no attempt in at least two of the three cups and the league was their priority it appears that the next game is Jose's priority and I am loving it . I used to recent paying my hard earned cash to watch games that I knew we were destined to lose because of their perceived priorities . I now know if I go to a game the manager will put out a team that will try to win . This is not to say that he will not rotate because he will but he sends the team out with a winning mentality and I am loving it . I believe that with some of our managers because of the fixture congestion and a ready made excuse for not winning the would have sent out a team on the pitch with the idea " this is a competition we can't win " and we would have lost the Chelsea game and in all probability lost in that first Euro qualifier against Plovdiv .

Yeah I was thinking about this earlier. Both Poch and Redknapp were guilty of canning off one of the cups early on. Though they did both get to a couple of finals and semi finals. I feel both their sides should have at least one a league cup. Really feel like we have a chance in one of the cups this year.

 

[HodisGawd]

Err, I definitely got the impression - through necessity or not - that Jose definitely binned off the Carabao prior to the match.

Personally, what I really care about is the Prem and Champs League. Winning a bauble is just sooooo 1991

 

[Shadydan]

Err, I definitely got the impression - through necessity or not - that Jose definitely binned off the Carabao prior to the match.

Personally, what I really care about is the Prem and Champs League. Winning a bauble is just sooooo 1991

Nah he didn't bin it off, he ended up playing Lloris and said that he wanted to make a statement to the rest of the team that we are here to win and obviously bought Kane on from the bench.