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Match Prediction

  • Spurs to Win

    Votes: 82 46.1%
  • Spurs to Lose

    Votes: 38 21.3%
  • Score Draw

    Votes: 58 32.6%
  • Goal-less Draw

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    178
  • Poll closed .

benski

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I’m the most optimistic I’ve been ever and I’m 51, our excellent squad needed a big lift, Bale and the rest is that lift, we have the best squad in our history and the league will be open this year. The one thing we’ve lacked, getting over the line, we have in abundance with Jose and Bale. I honestly think we can win the league this season and I expect Us to piss the top 4 and win a cup or two. Just to add balance I am extremely high as I type.

If I could give you 100 winner votes it still wouldn’t be enough
 

easley91

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Few hours after the game and Sky still don't have any Spurs interviews on their YouTube channel. That is absolutely shocking to be honest.
 

fridgemagnet

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The “You’re F*cking shit” chant should be on non stop coming from the away end now?
I sincerely hope not; I hate that chant almost as much as I hate Piers Morgan!

You could argue 3 more as definitely Shaw and probably Pogba and Bailly should have gone as well.
I get the other two but did I miss a straight red for Pogba somewhere? I'd agree he should've gone for totting up yellows but I must've missed a straight red moment :bag:

Aurier was very very good today too, I’d start him over Doherty next match as you can’t drop him after that.
I think we're seeing tactical José, I don't think previous matches sway his selections as much as with some managers, from what I see now he has options he's selecting on individual opposition and fixture management.
I could be wrong though. (y)
 

Amo

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I think people are being very harsh on Evra for his percieved lack of 'profesionalism' or 'neutrality'.

The team he loves just got slaughtered in a historic defeat. Laugh at him and move on; don't expect him to be an impartial referee.
 

jay2040

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I think people are being very harsh on Evra for his percieved lack of 'profesionalism' or 'neutrality'.

The team he loves just got slaughtered in a historic defeat. Laugh at him and move on; don't expect him to be an impartial referee.

No one is expecting him to be an impartial referee or neutral.
It annoyed me that he thinks Man Utd were above a mauling and that it was end of the world....sheer arrogance
 

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I sincerely hope not; I hate that chant almost as much as I hate Piers Morgan!


I get the other two but did I miss a straight red for Pogba somewhere? I'd agree he should've gone for totting up yellows but I must've missed a straight red moment :bag:


I think we're seeing tactical José, I don't think previous matches sway his selections as much as with some managers, from what I see now he has options he's selecting on individual opposition and fixture management.
I could be wrong though. (y)
Pogba should have seen red (IMO) for the high boot raking down the upper leg of Hojbjerg (no chance of ball and eyes on what he was doing). To the letter, Bailly, Shaw and Pogba should have also seen red. Hand to the face is a red - by the books.

Watch Sanchez and Martial walking back after the call, it was 100% clear that Sanchez believed it was a dive and Martial was sheepishly shrugging his shoulders. It was a dive. Do not condone Lamela going to ground. The foul (deliberate arm to the face) is a red. There is no grey zone. It's soft, it's weak and I will say, I preferred it when refs officiated based on the game. VAR has taken away (notwithstanding ridiculous amounts of subjectivity) the managing of a game by the officials.

I believe the solution is, VAR for "clear and obvious errors only" and put a second official on the pitch. Let the refs officiate. Give coaches 1 challenge per game. Running time stopped only for subs, injuries, goals and VAR reviews. After 90 minutes, the game is done. Stop time eliminates all "play until ManU wins bias". Second official will catch much more of the behind the play calls while also negating the Mike Dean doesn't like us issues. Lastly, it will allow the two refs to manage the game. In any game, where it has not been dirty, an incident where both players are involved, should not see disproportional results. Two yellows and I doubt that any Spurs fans or United fans would have complained.

EPL needs to get back to the spirit of the game. There are ways to do it without resorting to VAR. VAR should be a last resort to correct clear and obvious errors (not offside by a mm). My question is, why can they not take a page from rugby? In rugby the official might have announced, I am calling a red card on Martial for deliberate head contact and a yellow to Lamela for the unnecessary shove, do you confirm the call. Put it in the open. While I may disagree, I cannot argue with an official who states exactly why he/she is doing as they are.

Officiating decisions are too much in the shadows.

Spurs bossed much of the game before the red card and were all over United. Win was much deserved and United was lucky to finish with 10 men. United cannot blame the third goal on being down to 10 men. Just awful, awful decision making. Long may they continue with that.

Skriniar tomorrow too much to hope for?
 

rez9000

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Pogba should have seen red (IMO) for the high boot raking down the upper leg of Hojbjerg (no chance of ball and eyes on what he was doing). To the letter, Bailly, Shaw and Pogba should have also seen red. Hand to the face is a red - by the books.

Watch Sanchez and Martial walking back after the call, it was 100% clear that Sanchez believed it was a dive and Martial was sheepishly shrugging his shoulders. It was a dive. Do not condone Lamela going to ground. The foul (deliberate arm to the face) is a red. There is no grey zone. It's soft, it's weak and I will say, I preferred it when refs officiated based on the game. VAR has taken away (notwithstanding ridiculous amounts of subjectivity) the managing of a game by the officials.

I believe the solution is, VAR for "clear and obvious errors only" and put a second official on the pitch. Let the refs officiate. Give coaches 1 challenge per game. Running time stopped only for subs, injuries, goals and VAR reviews. After 90 minutes, the game is done. Stop time eliminates all "play until ManU wins bias". Second official will catch much more of the behind the play calls while also negating the Mike Dean doesn't like us issues. Lastly, it will allow the two refs to manage the game. In any game, where it has not been dirty, an incident where both players are involved, should not see disproportional results. Two yellows and I doubt that any Spurs fans or United fans would have complained.

EPL needs to get back to the spirit of the game. There are ways to do it without resorting to VAR. VAR should be a last resort to correct clear and obvious errors (not offside by a mm). My question is, why can they not take a page from rugby? In rugby the official might have announced, I am calling a red card on Martial for deliberate head contact and a yellow to Lamela for the unnecessary shove, do you confirm the call. Put it in the open. While I may disagree, I cannot argue with an official who states exactly why he/she is doing as they are.

Officiating decisions are too much in the shadows.

Spurs bossed much of the game before the red card and were all over United. Win was much deserved and United was lucky to finish with 10 men. United cannot blame the third goal on being down to 10 men. Just awful, awful decision making. Long may they continue with that.

Skriniar tomorrow too much to hope for?
There was talk of a bluesky idea that IFAB had a couple years ago. It was after Burnley played Cardiff when Cardiff were last in the PL and in that game, the amount of time the ball was actually in play was 47 minutes in the 90 - the remaining 43 minutes was spent in players rolling around after a foul, wiping the ball on their shirts before a throw-in, players virtually crawling to the touchline when substituted, the usual clutter.

They then analysed a whole load of games and found that, on average, in every 90-minute football match, the ball is in play for only 60 minutes, 30 minutes is spent on other activities - a massive difference to the 4 or 5 minutes usually added on at the end of each half.

What was then suggested (and this wasn't a concrete proposal, just a mind-exercise type thing) was that games could consist of two 30-minute halves, but that the clock would stop whenever the ball wasn't in play. That way, players can roll around on the floor to their hearts content and it would make no difference. They could put on a tutu and dance the Bolero and it would gain their team no advantage (other than perhaps incapacitating their opponents through laughter). Essentially, no time-wasting.

It was intriguing and I did think it wouldn't be a terrible idea, because the time-wasting itself wouldn't go away - ultimately, you'd still spend 90 minutes (plus half-time) watching a match - but it couldn't be used to gain an advantage and may help get rid of some of the irritating aspects of football.

That said, Jose being a master of the dark arts, I wouldn't want to see anything get in the way of that until we'd added a few pots, so I'm currently a massive fan of shithousery, time-wasting (where it benefits us) and possibly even seeing Erik Lamela in a tutu.
 

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There was talk of a bluesky idea that IFAB had a couple years ago. It was after Burnley played Cardiff when Cardiff were last in the PL and in that game, the amount of time the ball was actually in play was 47 minutes in the 90 - the remaining 43 minutes was spent in players rolling around after a foul, wiping the ball on their shirts before a throw-in, players virtually crawling to the touchline when substituted, the usual clutter.

They then analysed a whole load of games and found that, on average, in every 90-minute football match, the ball is in play for only 60 minutes, 30 minutes is spent on other activities - a massive difference to the 4 or 5 minutes usually added on at the end of each half.

What was then suggested (and this wasn't a concrete proposal, just a mind-exercise type thing) was that games could consist of two 30-minute halves, but that the clock would stop whenever the ball wasn't in play. That way, players can roll around on the floor to their hearts content and it would make no difference. They could put on a tutu and dance the Bolero and it would gain their team no advantage (other than perhaps incapacitating their opponents through laughter). Essentially, no time-wasting.

It was intriguing and I did think it wouldn't be a terrible idea, because the time-wasting itself wouldn't go away - ultimately, you'd still spend 90 minutes (plus half-time) watching a match - but it couldn't be used to gain an advantage and may help get rid of some of the irritating aspects of football.

That said, Jose being a master of the dark arts, I wouldn't want to see anything get in the way of that until we'd added a few pots, so I'm currently a massive fan of shithousery, time-wasting (where it benefits us) and possibly even seeing Erik Lamela in a tutu.

Extraordinary post. A Joel and Ethan Coen post.

On another note, a football match result and a team should not be able to influence my life so much. I'm absolutely beaming and glowing with sheer happiness. 6 bloody 1 at Old Trafford.

In Jose and Daniel Levy I trust.
 

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16 Conclusions: Manchester United 1-6 Tottenham
Date published: Sunday 4th October 2020 8:20
Manchester United cannot carry on like this. But they will. Tottenham absolutely should.
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1) While the clock accompanying the scoreline suggested there was four-fifths of the game remaining with a solitary goal separating the two sides, Tottenham’s meeting with Manchester United on Sunday was actually settled with little over a quarter of an hour played at Old Trafford.


A sustained period of territorial Tottenham dominance after Son Heung-min’s goal felt destined to end only one way: with the visitors over-comitting and being punished by a pulsating Manchester United counter-attack that exploited each and every gap in a susceptible defence. Yet as Marcus Rashford picked up the loose ball and threatened to lead the charge, Serge Aurier followed up an inch-perfect tackle in United’s own half with a calm hand signal to inform Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg he and they were in consummate control.


Hojbjerg's reaction to Aurier's tackle!
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— Dave W (@spudly77) October 4, 2020




Rashford would leave Aurier sliding with a fake shot before hitting the post when offside a few minutes later. But the tone was set. Tottenham did not give Manchester United a moment’s breath throughout. They beat them man for man and manager for manager. This was an utter humiliation.





2) Tottenham were undeniably hungrier but it would be reductive to put this entirely down to a greater level of motivation. This was as much a victory of tactics as it was desire.


Jose Mourinho would have been pilloried for approaching this game with caution, setting up only to contain while hoping to snatch a chance on the break or through a set-piece. Manchester United had a weak point so obvious that it would make most video game bosses blush but it was targeted ruthlessly and almost uncomfortably at times. An energetic midfield three of Hojbjerg, Tanguy Ndombele and Moussa Sissoko pressed them into first-half oblivion while that forward trio routinely embarrassed a back five of internationals signed for more than £200m.


Tottenham tripped over their own shoelaces with the concession of a penalty within 24 seconds; they tied Manchester United in knots thereafter and strolled to a concessional victory in the second half. This was their best attacking performance under Mourinho, by his design as opposed to outside it, without perhaps their best midfielder and with two incredibly exciting loanees to add to the mix.





3) There is a reason the defence was referred to as ‘signed for more than £200m’ rather than ‘worth’ that figure in the previous point. Their values, both collectively and as individuals, have plummeted over a fortnight of disorganised chaos and systemic problems that have been allowed to fester by a limited coach and a club whose standards have lowered to such an inexplicable extent that it is difficult to work out whether he is seen as a useful deflective smokescreen or someone they genuinely believe is the best for this job.


The latter cannot possibly still be true. Ole Gunnar Solskjaer is painfully out of his depth at this level and his cabal of supportive former teammates in the media insisting he needs that modern combination of “time” and “four or five new players to compete” are wilfully missing the point. He paired £80m and £30m centre-halves between £45m and £27m full-backs behind a £129.3m midfield and in front of an £18.9m goalkeeper and oversaw a display bereft of coordination, structure, teamwork and discipline.


Jadon Sancho would not solve that. Edinson Cavani will not solve that. And Solskjaer is far from the only problem. But anyone calling for the Glazers to sell or Ed Woodward to step down while watching Manchester United – Manchester United – equal the record for most Premier League goals conceded after three matches is kidding themselves.





4) Mourinho will not fool himself into thinking this was a performance without fault. Davinson Sanchez’s foul on Anthony Martial for the penalty was naive, the build to that incident was sloppy and had some of their attacks been even more crisp the Portuguese would have run out of fingers to brandish at the empty stands.


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But it was striking just how little Manchester United created at home, chasing a deficit for 83 minutes. That is testament to the consummate control Tottenham exhibited throughout, emerging from the rubble and rabble of those opening stages to establish a grip on the neck of this game that they did not relinquish once. There was a unified determination – seven players completed at least two tackles – to summarily embarrass the opposition. Manchester United had one off-target shot in the second half. Tottenham sapped their energy then crushed their spirit.





5) Seriously, though. The defending for the first two goals was atrocious. Hojbjerg misjudged an aerial ball to give Martial and Fernandes the chance to capitalise and Sanchez’s recklessness, before Paul Pogba, Maguire, Bailly and Luke Shaw supplied a comedic tragedy of errors that practically begged for Ndombele equalise.


Both times it was a relatively simple throw-in that wreaked havoc on unsuspecting defences. How stupid a concept it remains to even consider coaching them.





6) But some things cannot be imprinted on a player through monotonous drills or rigorous double sessions. There are certain skills that can’t be passed down. They are innate, easy to try and teach but difficult to master in the context of a game.


Harry Kane is ridiculous. Son’s goal captured his essence as the perfect centre-forward, pulling Maguire out of position to challenge for a loose ball, drawing a mindless foul, spotting the movement of Son and playing the quick free-kick to release his teammate to score.


Manchester United could not cope with him whatsoever. It was a physical and intellectual mismatch from the first whistle to the last. They had five shots as a team; Kane managed seven alone between his assist and two other key passes. He might just suit this system as it happens.


Kane is actually going back to his 2017 levels this season – 8 games, 8 goals, 7 assists. Unlike in 2017 however, he’s added assists into his games. We might just be seeing Kane enter the prime years of his career right in front of our very eyes. Drink. It. In.
— Noz Ahmed (@NozAhmed) October 4, 2020







7) As glorious as that moment was, it did as much to sum up the fallibility of this Manchester United defence. Maguire made the foul and did nothing to prevent the free-kick, backing away to open the space. Wan-Bissaka noticed the situation unfolding too late as he forlornly tried to block it. Bailly literally watched Son walk past him and into the area Maguire had incomprehensibly vacated.


Shaw clearing out De Gea with a slide tackle designed to stop the shot was the inedible cherry placed atop a cake comprised almost entirely of shit. Asking Maguire to be proactive in stamping out fires with his distinct lack of pace, and Bailly to cover despite an apparent absence of awareness, is tantamount to defensive suicide.


The warning signs were there against Brighton and Crystal Palace and it really is a wonder that two of the best forwards in the world took advantage of issues that haven’t been addressed.





8) In the half an hour from Son’s first and second goals to make it 2-1 and 4-1 respectively, Tottenham had almost six times as many shots (11 to two) and four times as many tackles (eight to two) as their hosts, who were dispossessed six times – or once every five minutes. Martial (three) was most guilty but the neglect and lack of urgency in Matic (two) and Shaw (one) showed that a fundamental panic had set in throughout the entire Manchester United side. The forwards were being rushed into every decision, the midfield froze and the defence collapsed under the inevitable subsequent pressure.


That period included Manchester United being reduced to ten men but even without Martial’s red card the disintegration was in motion. Solskjaer waited until half-time to make a change, bringing on Scott McTominay and Fred for Matic and Fernandes. Mourinho and many others would surely not have waited so long.





9) Lamela should obviously have been sent off if Martial’s infringement was adjudged to be worth a red. But you only win the prizes if you play the game. The shithouse’s shithouse would have done his current and former managers proud. Manchester United were so short of fight by that point they barely argued while Tottenham players tended to Lamela’s non-existent injury.





10) Tottenham’s third and fourth goals encapsulated the game nicely. Kane scored after helping swarm the Manchester United area from a short De Gea goal kick, forcing Bailly into a ludicrous pass that Son recycled to repay one of about 427 favours he owes the Englishman. Son himself then scored after Sissoko fired a pass into Aurier, who drove a cross through Maguire’s legs that the South Korean similarly nutmegged De Gea with.


Aurier got his goal in the second from a sensational Hojbjerg pass but even without it this was a spectacular performance from a player whose presence in the starting line-up would have elicited as much excitement from Manchester United fans as it did dread in Tottenham supporters. Competition for places has invigorated a squad that had started to feel so stale.





11) Sissoko was diligent ahead of him and whichever maverick picked him as the most accurate passer of the entire game can collect their winnings whenever. Eric Dier was faultless at the back and likely considered taking a second toilet break of the week. Hojbjerg as the lone defensive midfielder was close to a revelation.


Would Manchester United have any of those players if given the choice? It doesn’t feel like it. Yet each have just been instrumental in picking them apart, thriving in a system that suits them under a manager that knows how to use them. The point was the same against Palace and Brighton: pretending the only thing Manchester United need is signings rather ignores the fact they are being routinely exposed by teams full of players they would happily ignore in the transfer market.





12) Which is not to say they do not need investment. Alex Telles will be a valuable acquisition, if only to remove an over-reliance on Luke Shaw at left-back. His only achievement in 90 minutes was to remove his boots from treacle long enough to hack Lucas Moura down at 6-1.


Solskjaer’s reaction in the background of that shot was telling, the Norwegian throwing his hands up in the air and towards his head as he grimaced. Shaw knew that particular race had been run in this series of gruelling marathons and he even cast a glance down at Moura’s legs before taking them away from him.


It was pathetic, cynical cowardice to crown a surrender of a display. Let his post-match interview and ‘fronting up’ for the cameras kid no-one because that was honestly deplorable. His positioning for the fourth goal was not much better.


How does Luke Shaw stay on for that challenge on Lucas Moura? More than simple frustration, that's malicious and dangerous. Shows the mess and distraction at the back. #MANTOT
— Henry Winter (@henrywinter) October 4, 2020







13) Manchester United were, of course, too big a club to sign a player with a buy-back clause included. They had trailed Sergio Reguilon and, by all accounts, would have acted on their interest had Real Madrid not inserted an option to essentially loan him back if they so wished. Tottenham had no such delusions of grandeur, identifying the need for a left-back and accepting the potential future consequences.


He was great fun in midweek and this was no different from someone who has added another dimension to Tottenham’s attacks on the left. Even if Reguilon does only stay for a couple of years before Real come calling once more, it will have been a worthwhile move.





14) It was probably Kane or Son, perhaps even Hojbjerg, but Ndombele deserves a mention for man of the match. He has emerged from the Mourinho midfield testing ground as an incredibly exciting option in the centre.


The difference between him playing with and without confidence is evident. Not since late February had Ndombele completed an hour in the Premier League but he more than earned his applause from the bench upon his removal 20 minutes before the end. Not all of it has been intended but Mourinho, who has navigated eight games in 21 days with only one genuine setback, seems to have cracked the code.





15) Pogba was awful. Fernandes was atrocious. Mason Greenwood had a couple of shots to wake Hugo Lloris from his slumber in the first half but was largely anonymous. Martial was dreadful. It is genuinely difficult to recall a single thing Rashford did in an hour and a half.


One of those players struggling could be easily explained but each failing so starkly speaks to a deeply-ingrained problem in the collective. This team has no alternative plan, no different approach, when counter-attacking is removed from the equation and they can’t get close enough to the penalty area to encourage a foul.


The single most damning aspect of the entire performance was that McTominay completed the most dribbles. It took a midfielder nowhere near the requisite quality of a side that boasts about trophy aspirations for them to show even a semblance of initiative and drive. That is embarrassing for the players and the manager.





16) So what do Manchester United do now? They have invested so much time and money into the Solskjaer project that there will be a general reluctance to end it. This is a club so obsessed with image that their reticence to actually bid for Sancho has been explained as a fear of how it would be received; a brand so occupied with perception and marketing that legitimate grievances aired by Gary Neville were dismissed as ‘inflammatory and disturbing’ this weekend.


A typical team would cut their losses but one fuelled by nostalgia and gripped by an identity crisis brought on by its own poor choices will resist that temptation. And Solskjaer will not resign. They are locked in an unsuitable relationship for the foreseeable future.


Manchester United know they will always be there or thereabouts. They have a floor that they won’t crash through even at their worst; the disaster that was David Moyes took them to seventh and Mourinho was sacked with them in sixth. That breeds complacency and removes the incentive to provoke genuine change, instead creating a culture where they can lurch from one managerial ethos to the next without anything ever actually being any different.


This is no longer a serious football club. They cannot sell players anywhere near as efficiently as their peers. They cannot bully teams into letting them hoard the biggest talents. They cannot forget this idea that progress is only attainable through signings. They cannot continue with their latest failure of a coaching appointment but will because they are scared of how it will look and because Mauricio Pochettino won’t talk about corners at the Nou Camp that are older than much of this squad. This must be a Manchester United impostor because the real thing would not accept being run by a coach who would look out of place at Fulham. Yet here we are.


Matt Stead











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Singayid

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We won with the likes of Lo Celso, Bale, Vinicius and Bergwijn not in squad.

I know i'm asking for much but we are so close to competing at the very top, i know Jose sees that elite CB as the missing piece of that puzzle.

We probably won't get one but we are a great team. We were meant to be a boring park the bus team, what happened?! Ha


this is a lovely comment!!! Well played sir :pompous:
 

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It's the first game I've watched with the sky commentary for a while but Neville shouldn't be anywhere near the commentary box for United games, it's honestly like mutv.

Add evra to the crowd and it's starting to become even less professional, like Manchester United fan TV or some shit.

They spent about 30 seconds on how good spurs were and then 10 minutes and counting regurgitating the same old, it's the players, the manager, the board united shit.

Honestly United are all over the show, but that is not something new, they have been (relatively speaking) a bit of a joke club since Fergie left, it's more than biased, it's boring repetitive turgid stuff.

But they could talk about Jose and him turning around everything at spurs and the evolution the club is going through and a club that will probably at least get top 4.

But no board doesn't back the manager, the manager isn't good enough, the players etc.... Yawn

Jose said his greatest achievement was finishing 2nd with that lot. Maybe an exaggeration given the number of trophies he's won but you can certainly see the point he was making.
 

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I often disagree with Souness as a pundit, but he's quite right that United were lucky to finish the game with only one red card. Maybe Pogba's challenge on Hojbjerg shouldn't be a red, but a yellow for that combined with the penalty he conceded + other fouls should have resulted in a red. Shaw may have been a soft, but my understanding of the rules is that going to ground without any attempt to play the ball is a red.

Understandable if some united fans feel hard done by over the Martial sending off, but they should feel fortunate that only one player will be suspended for their next 3 games.

Shaw endangered Moura's safety therefore red card. Travelling at the pace Lucas was, taking him out like that could've resulted in serious injury (to both of them actually).
For someone who suffered an horrific injury himself, that was cowardly and reckless from Shaw.

And this is where refs don't understand football because most of them never played it. Fine, they can follow rules but when it comes to understanding the game they don't get it. That was a malicious, nasty foul (not even going to call it a tackle) borne out of spite and frustration and a yellow card sends a message to other players that they may get away with it. Pogba did it too, sly prick.
 
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I like how Ole said that if Lamela was one of of his players, he would have hung him out to dry for the red card incident and then made no mention of Shaw's blatant red card challenge that was endangering a players safety :whistle:
And Pogba’s stud rake, and Bailly’s Achilles stamp. A bit of gamesmanship on the other hand is beyond the pale
 

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Shaw endangered Moura's safety therefore red card. Travelling at the pace Lucas was, taking him out like that could've resulted in serious injury (to both of them actually).
For someone who suffered an horrific injury himself, that was cowardly and reckless from Shaw.

And this is where ref's don't understand football because most of them never played it. Fine, they can follow rules but when it comes to understanding the game they don't get it. That was a malicious, nasty foul (not even going to call it a tackle) borne out of spite and frustration and a yellow card sends a message to other players that they may get away with it. Pogba did it too, sly prick.

for me the tackle by shaw is a straight red, it’s a very dangerous tackle as Lucas is away and not thinking about the challenge coming in. When you play you can protect yourself from a heavy challenge by altering yer body to take the impact in another place. Shaw can be clearly seen hanging out his arse then having a look at Lucas before the challenge. Cowardly tackle that is very reminiscent of challenges that were made in previous eras of the game
 
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Still buzzing after yesterday's result :D I only wished I could go into the office today with my shirt on, but we're all working from home nowadays.
 

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Watched the match on Sky. Pundits were unbelievably poor. Its a shame we didn't play after Liverpool got thumped - id like to see if Sourness could get more bitter than he was yesterday. Evra was unprofessional. I think we all want a little insight and analysis from the pundits it was piss poor yesterday.

Spurs were wonderful. Sky woeful.
 
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