Max Aarons

[DEFchenkOE]

If KWP had made that small error that led to Welbecks goal everyone would have been saying "see, not good enough".

I think the only real difference with the 2 of them is that Aarons has more first team experience. Maybe Aarons is slightly quicker and stronger but not by much.

I've watched Aarons closely in their past 2 games, think we need to do a lot better if we have any ambition for next season.

 

[GetSpurredOn]

I’ve not watched enough of Aarons to comment with specific knowledge, but what does stand out to me, is whilst he may not be a world beater (yet), firstly would he be an improvement on Walker-Peters, in order to push Serge harder to find consistency. If yes, then would he also be an upgrade on Aurier? There’s a balance to strike here, between looking for perfect fit, or simply accepting an improvement/first and foremost, As that would still add huge benefit and also buy time to look for perfect.
Our HG quota is also in the balance, so there’s that to take into account. Would the likes of Aarons, Ferguson, Ngakia, Bogle etc improve us, whilst acknowledging the benefit to adding another HG player allows greater flex in other areas. If we decide they are not sufficient and target an overseas player for RB, we probably need to cut another position elsewhere and replace with HG.

 

[Spurrific]

If KWP had made that small error that led to Welbecks goal everyone would have been saying "see, not good enough".

I think the only real difference with the 2 of them is that Aarons has more first team experience. Maybe Aarons is slightly quicker and stronger but not by much.

I've watched Aarons closely in their past 2 games, think we need to do a lot better if we have any ambition for next season.

Aarons had also ran the full length of the pitch to get back into that position, KWP would have got nowhere near that position. The difference in pace is not “slight” at all. KWP is average paced, Aarons is rapid.

Not sure he has enough upside to represent any sort of upgrade on KWP though.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

Aarons had also ran the full length of the pitch to get back into that position, KWP would have got nowhere near that position. The difference in pace is not “slight” at all. KWP is average paced, Aarons is rapid.

Not sure he has enough upside to represent any sort of upgrade on KWP though.

Guess it depends on your definition of rapid. For me rapid is Walker, Traore. Not Aarons.

 

[wirE]

Max Aaron's defensive stats Premier League 2019/20 season:

Apps	Mins	Tackles	Inter	Fouls	Offsides	Clear	Drb	Blocks	OwnG	Rating
32	2880	1.4	0.9	0.8	0.2	2	0.5	0.8	-	6.57

Serge Aurier's stats:

Apps	Mins	Tackles	Inter	Fouls	Offsides	Clear	Drb	Blocks	OwnG	Rating
26(2)	2256	2.8	1.5	1.2	0.2	2.4	0.9	0.2	1	7.12

Trent Alexander-Arnold:

Apps	Mins	Tackles	Inter	Fouls	Offsides	Clear	Drb	Blocks	OwnG	Rating
32(1)	2880	1.6	1.2	0.6	0.5	1.9	1.2	0.3	-	7.27

Kyle Walker:

Apps	Mins	Tackles	Inter	Fouls	Offsides	Clear	Drb	Blocks	OwnG	Rating
24	2063	1	1	1	0.2	1.3	0.7	0.2	-	6.84

 

[mr ashley]

Aarons had also ran the full length of the pitch to get back into that position, KWP would have got nowhere near that position. The difference in pace is not “slight” at all. KWP is average paced, Aarons is rapid.

Not sure he has enough upside to represent any sort of upgrade on KWP though.

If he was rapid, he’d have used that pace to burn Masina and deliver an attacking cross in the second half. He didn’t. He stopped and passed it safely backwards.
He’s less of an attacking threat than Serge, and he’s far from secure in defence. Albeit, no brain farts.
He’s young and HG, in a position we need reinforcements. Better than KWP? Quite possibly. Good enough to improve on Serge? Not seen anything to suggest so yet

 

[spursfan77]

If he was to come in there is no way he could come in and be first choice. Would he aspect that after a season of PL football? I doubt it.

 

[mr ashley]

Max Aaron's defensive stats Premier League 2019/20 season:

Apps	Mins	Tackles	Inter	Fouls	Offsides	Clear	Drb	Blocks	OwnG	Rating
32	2880	1.4	0.9	0.8	0.2	2	0.5	0.8	-	6.57

Serge Aurier's stats:

Apps	Mins	Tackles	Inter	Fouls	Offsides	Clear	Drb	Blocks	OwnG	Rating
26(2)	2256	2.8	1.5	1.2	0.2	2.4	0.9	0.2	1	7.12

Trent Alexander-Arnold:

Apps	Mins	Tackles	Inter	Fouls	Offsides	Clear	Drb	Blocks	OwnG	Rating
32(1)	2880	1.6	1.2	0.6	0.5	1.9	1.2	0.3	-	7.27

Kyle Walker:

Apps	Mins	Tackles	Inter	Fouls	Offsides	Clear	Drb	Blocks	OwnG	Rating
24	2063	1	1	1	0.2	1.3	0.7	0.2	-	6.84

Sorry, can you summarise what these stats suggest?

 

[Spurrific]

If he was rapid, he’d have used that pace to burn Masina and deliver an attacking cross in the second half. He didn’t. He stopped and passed it safely backwards.
He’s less of an attacking threat than Serge, and he’s far from secure in defence. Albeit, no brain farts.
He’s young and HG, in a position we need reinforcements. Better than KWP? Quite possibly. Good enough to improve on Serge? Not seen anything to suggest so yet

He is rapid. Doesn't matter if a couple guys behind their PCs can't see it, he is often lauded for his pace and you can see it with how he covered the whole length of the pitch before he teed up Welbeck. Kyle Walker is one of the fastest players I've ever seen, one of his go-to moves was to stop and pass it backwards safely - maybe he wasn't rapid after all.

You're judging him in a team out of its depth, he was considered one of the most exciting talents in the Championship last year when they weren't just getting pumped week-in and week-out.

 

[daryl hannah]

I wonder if we're still after Dest at Ajax?

 

[mr ashley]

He is rapid. Doesn't matter if a couple guys behind their PCs can't see it, he is often lauded for his pace and you can see it with how he covered the whole length of the pitch before he teed up Welbeck. Kyle Walker is one of the fastest players I've ever seen, one of his go-to moves was to stop and pass it backwards safely - maybe he wasn't rapid after all.

You're judging him in a team out of its depth, he was considered one of the most exciting talents in the Championship last year when they weren't just getting pumped week-in and week-out.

Who owns a PC these days? I watched the game just like everyone else (bar the coaching staff)- on tv. Jump off your high horse pardner.
Walkers recovery pace was exceptional- I agree, the fastest I’ve seen. And he was frustrating because he didn’t use it enough in attack (or find a teammate once he did!) Could have been world class if he did.
I can’t post a clip of the moment I’m referring to in yesterday’s match (because it certainly won’t be in a highlights package), but Aaron’s got the ball with space to run into, a fullback back peddling and teammates waiting for him to create a cross. The kind of player we should be looking to add (to upgrade aurier) would need to deliver a cross there.
We need a player who can do things both in attack and defence.
Maybe the player I’m pining for is Atal.
Aarons isn’t the one, in my opinion.
By all means disagree

 

[Spurrific]

Who owns a PC these days? I watched the game just like everyone else (bar the coaching staff)- on tv. Jump off your high horse pardner.
Walkers recovery pace was exceptional- I agree, the fastest I’ve seen. And he was frustrating because he didn’t use it enough in attack (or find a teammate once he did!) Could have been world class if he did.
I can’t post a clip of the moment I’m referring to in yesterday’s match (because it certainly won’t be in a highlights package), but Aaron’s got the ball with space to run into, a fullback back peddling and teammates waiting for him to create a cross. The kind of player we should be looking to add (to upgrade aurier) would need to deliver a cross there.
We need a player who can do things both in attack and defence.
Maybe the player I’m pining for is Atal.
Aarons isn’t the one, in my opinion.
By all means disagree

I don't know what you're arguing with - I'm not saying Aarons is perfect or that we should go all guns blazing for him. I said in my post on the last page, that I think you quoted that I don't think he has enough upside to say he's definitely an upgrade on KWP.

He is fast though, that's what I'm saying. As for "high horse" - grow up, pal. Literally nothing I posted connoted that I thought I was better than anybody. Just because you're insecure, don't try and project that onto me.

 

[Japhet]

I wonder if we're still after Dest at Ajax?

Might be. There's something in the ITK thread about 'orange'.

 

[mr ashley]

I don't know what you're arguing with - I'm not saying Aarons is perfect or that we should go all guns blazing for him. I said in my post on the last page, that I think you quoted that I don't think he has enough upside to say he's definitely an upgrade on KWP.

He is fast though, that's what I'm saying. As for "high horse" - grow up, pal. Literally nothing I posted connoted that I thought I was better than anybody. Just because you're insecure, don't try and project that onto me.

What?
You said Aaron’s was rapid.
I questioned it, referring to how he doesn’t use it going forwards.
Then you came out with the comment about people “behind their PCs not seeing it”, replying directly to my post. If you weren’t talking about me, you certainly implied it.

This isn’t about being insecure, it’s about having a debate without descending to snide comments or insults.

If I’ve misunderstood this comment as a jibe, can you explain what you meant by it?

 

[Spurrific]

What?
You said Aaron’s was rapid.
I questioned it, referring to how he doesn’t use it going forwards.
Then you came out with the comment about people “behind their PCs not seeing it”, replying directly to my post. If you weren’t talking about me, you certainly implied it.

This isn’t about being insecure, it’s about having a debate without descending to snide comments or insults.

If I’ve misunderstood this comment as a jibe, can you explain what you meant by it?

I am saying people behind their PCs posting comments - not casting damaging and disparaging remarks about how you watch football games (though I can see how this might have the potential to devastate, I can't imagine somebody implying I don't watch football via an adequate medium). He is rapid, one example of him not burning past somebody doesn't detract from that. That's just an illogical argument that I don't know how to counter. It doesn't matter what anybody posting on forums (behind PCs/phones) thinks, he is fast.

How you've taken it as a jibe is beyond me. I'm done with this anyway, it's boring and you're desperate for a row and I've got no interest in Internet dick-measuring contests as mine is famously the biggest on the Internet.

 

[wirE]

Sorry, can you summarise what these stats suggest?

Oh, yes sure. These stats just show how defensively good Aaron is compared to what imo is the better fullbacks in the Premier League. He's not completely far off, but again, Norwich has been awfully poor defensively this year

With a better defensively team around him, he will prove even better

 

[mr ashley]

I am saying people behind their PCs posting comments - not casting damaging and disparaging remarks about how you watch football games (though I can see how this might have the potential to devastate, I can't imagine somebody implying I don't watch football via an adequate medium). He is rapid, one example of him not burning past somebody doesn't detract from that. That's just an illogical argument that I don't know how to counter. It doesn't matter what anybody posting on forums (behind PCs/phones) thinks, he is fast.

How you've taken it as a jibe is beyond me. I'm done with this anyway, it's boring and you're desperate for a row and I've got no interest in Internet dick-measuring contests as mine is famously the biggest on the Internet.

Ok then, fair enough. It sounded like a dismissive “keyboard warriors” style comment aiming to dismiss an opinion different to yours, but if I’ve made it into something it wasn’t then I’m in the wrong.
I’ve never searched for a row, but I think it’s important to keep discussions civil- we all support the same team after all.
Despite all that, I think we kind of agree-Aarons is quick but lacking in confidence. And we can’t decide if that’s a measure of him or the way his team play.

 

[mr ashley]

Oh, yes sure. These stats just show how defensively good Aaron is compared to what imo is the better fullbacks in the Premier League. He's not completely far off, but again, Norwich has been awfully poor defensively this year

With a better defensively team around him, he will prove even better

Thanks for that- Stats can be deceiving.
My concern is how he can operate both in attack and defence- I haven’t seen an analysis of him in terms of assists etc ( which as we know is another key part of a fullbacks role these days), but I know he doesn’t compare favourably to Trent, Ricardo or even Serge in that regard.
Would you place him in the top 10rbs in the PL?

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

Thanks for that- Stats can be deceiving.
My concern is how he can operate both in attack and defence- I haven’t seen an analysis of him in terms of assists etc ( which as we know is another key part of a fullbacks role these days), but I know he doesn’t compare favourably to Trent, Ricardo or even Serge in that regard.
Would you place him in the top 10rbs in the PL?

Talking from purely personal opinion here, but Aarons has everything he needs to become a very good RWB. Notice I said RWB and not RB, simply because his defensive nature has not matured enough to fulfill a full on RB role. I am not saying he isn't defensively sound, he needs time to grow as a defender and we all know this comes naturally with time as long as the basics and fundamentals are there.

Robertson wasn't a world beater and Hull got relegated the season he signed for Liverpool, so don't pay too much attention to how Aarons looks on paper. This is more a reflection of Norwich's woes than his own.

When we played against Norwich I made it a point to watch both Lewis and Aarons and I can tell you now if it weren't for Sess I would say we should snap their hands off for both players. I really do enjoy watching these two play, even though they still have some teething problems to work on.

 

[wirE]

Thanks for that- Stats can be deceiving.
My concern is how he can operate both in attack and defence- I haven’t seen an analysis of him in terms of assists etc ( which as we know is another key part of a fullbacks role these days), but I know he doesn’t compare favourably to Trent, Ricardo or even Serge in that regard.
Would you place him in the top 10rbs in the PL?

It's hard to say tbh. Take TAA for an example; he has the backing of Keita/Milner to let him make his forward runs, but his defensively position is not that great but bare in mind that they have VVD and Gomez running a tight ship at the back. That helps out a lot for him.

With the right signings CB and DM, Aarons can be a better attacking fullback. It's not easy being both attacking and defensively