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New manager search twist as Frank De Boer says he's happy to stay at Ajax

Yid

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Of course not, but it can't be the only denominator. There are superb managers that work with limited budgets and achieve great things - Pulis this year to name one. But in order to win you need a combination of money and experience - Pellegrini, who we can agree won the league not because of huge expenditure but because he didn't bottle it at the very end, unlike Rodgers - also huge budget and a star-studded squad.
Moyes is a very good manager, had a title-winning squad and botched it up. On your original logic he should have won the league without batting an eye-lid. But he didn't. Hence, the fact that Carlo has only worked with the super-rich is only one small part of his success, which I will still say has been impressive.

I agree with most of your points, with the exception of that bit in bold font.
Moyes being a "very" good manager is highly arguable IMHO...Along with the claim that he inherited an excellent squad...I don't buy it for a second. SAF pulled off a challenging task in delivering a title with a fairly talented (but nowhere near an outstanding) squad (with an added benefit of RVP firing on all cylinders that season....A squad that had (and still has) some glaring weaknesses that Moyes could not (or did not) address during his short-lived tenure.
So I really don't see how this particular point supports your argument, but the rest of your post is pretty spot on, tbf.
 

davidmatzdorf

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But......but.... Does he have the best winning percentage in the Premiership? :whistle:

This is how the internet rewriting of history starts. We will now have a succession of pointless 'jokes' about something that Sherwood never said, until it becomes an accepted factoid.

What he actually said was that he had achieved the highest win percentage of any Tottenham manager since the start of the Premiership. Which is true.
 

2bearis2do

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Probably the fact that we can't get a seasoned proven manager? Van Gaal would have been great but i don't see anyone else knocking down our door.
I would suggest that AVB was more of a proven seasoned manager with silverware under his belt than a mid-table Southampton manager whom we beat twice this season!
 

2bearis2do

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He sets his teams up to play a much better style of football than either AVB or TS for starters. He's done a good job instilling a team ethic and workrate wherever he's been and he's done well bringing players through the ranks and maximising the talents within the squad. If he could do similar at Spurs I'd be happy.
That all sounds fine in principle - but he radians unproven and without any taste of silverware success - another risk in my book and not fitting of where we should be.
 

Japhet

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That all sounds fine in principle - but he radians unproven and without any taste of silverware success - another risk in my book and not fitting of where we should be.

Would you say the same about Rodgers before he went to Liverpool? I'm very ambivalent about who we actually end up with from the current list anyway but I certainly don't think that past achievements are any indication of future success or vice versa.
 

2bearis2do

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Would you say the same about Rodgers before he went to Liverpool? I'm very ambivalent about who we actually end up with from the current list anyway but I certainly don't think that past achievements are any indication of future success or vice versa.
It's a fair point - but I think Rodgers is pretty much a one off and least we forget he ain't won nothing yet! But yes, when he was available I really wanted to get Rodgers - I just don't see the same in Pochettino - I can't quite see what all the fuss is about. They were a surprise package this season - I'll give them that - but having watched them against us - they were good but not that good…
Frank De Boer for me - A winner, as a player and a coach and brought up on the finest youth training club in Europe….No contest.
 

Japhet

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It's a fair point - but I think Rodgers is pretty much a one off and least we forget he ain't won nothing yet! But yes, when he was available I really wanted to get Rodgers - I just don't see the same in Pochettino - I can't quite see what all the fuss is about. They were a surprise package this season - I'll give them that - but having watched them against us - they were good but not that good…
Frank De Boer for me - A winner, as a player and a coach and brought up on the finest youth training club in Europe….No contest.


I'd be more than happy with De Boer, not least because of the likelihood of him bringing Jaap Stam with him (no shortage of EPL experience there) and I've no idea who Pochettino would bring with him. On the other hand, Pochettino has done great things. Lallana for instance has gone to a whole different level from the player he was threatening to be for a few seasons. If he could do that for Lamela we'd be onto a winner.
 
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