Next Spurs Manager (No longer with groundbreaking 'Change vote' functionality)

[spursfan77]

another point I do feel if this was ten years ago and Jose was available levy would do it .

He has tried to get him twice in the past

 

[dagraham]

another point I do feel if this was ten years ago and Jose was available levy would do it .

Ten years ago we wouldn’t have stood a chance though imo.

 

[allatsea]

Ten years ago we wouldn’t have stood a chance though imo.

And why would we stand a chance now ? Is it because Poch has created a team worthy of his talents or because he is on his way down as a Manager ?

 

[Gassin's finest]

Ten years ago we wouldn’t have stood a chance though imo.

Going back 15 years rather than 10, but if the Russians hadn't rocked up at Chelsea, Jose would have been our coach instead of Santini.

 

[felmani26]

Not in any way, shape or form. Sorry F26 but for me, the buck stops with Daniel the Ewok.

Poch is suffering the effects of that decision right now. Pretty much everything is going against him and majority on SC wants him gone. Where's the slack there? He's not getting any slack at all, not from the media and certainly not from most of us.

Levy has got his licks to come to him and by jimminy he's going to get them, let's not pretend he didn't have a massive part to play in all this.

It's not Levy picking the players or failing to adequately prepare them for games as far as i'm aware.

Listen, I never once said this is a black & white/Levy vs Poch issue because clearly both are culpable to varying degrees.

I know full well you've had the horn for Daniel for a long ol' time but lets face facts, it's not the Chairman who's carrying the can when the continuing results are as poor as they've been.

 

[buckley]

My only problem with Poch is he keeps selecting players that if not all then most of the spurs fans I know do not want near the first team anymore . For differing reasons they are Aurior / Rose / Alerwield / Eriksen / plus there are players that need to be moved on like Wanyama
He still selects them is one failing he plays a diamond and it patently does not suit our players he also has not selected the same team for 98 matches and these are all signs that he must move on and the club must move .
It saddens me because the last 4 years have been awesome . I am realistic enough to know when the right time for change has come the question is that are Poch and Levy realistic enough .
Even the great Bill Nicholson had his time to retire moment .

 

[dagraham]

And why would we stand a chance now ? Is it because Poch has created a team worthy of his talents or because he is on his way down as a Manager ?

Could be some truth in that. Our standing as a club is higher now than 10 years ago and I don’t think Jose has been out of work for this long before.

Whether he’s genuinely on his way down as a manager is open to debate. I believe though that if Poch’s time is done and there is an opportunity to appoint him we’d be daft to pass it up.

 

[dagraham]

Going back 15 years rather than 10, but if the Russians hadn't rocked up at Chelsea, Jose would have been our coach instead of Santini.

Quite possibly. Could go even further with the “what if’s?” though if the rumours about Roman wanting to buy us instead of Chelsea were true( unless that’s what you meant?).

Also, we were very close to appointing Fergie from Aberdeen a year before Utd got him. Although whether he’d have been given both the time and resources afforded him at Utd is another matter.

 

[yankspurs]

I'm not sure how old you are, but if you remember the way the club was run for the 10-15 years prior to Levy's arrival, you'll know the difference between a clown show and what Spurs are these days.

This club let an obviously bullshit social media rumor gain so much traction by acknowledging it, there is now a song about it. To let the auers acknowledge is one thing. To let them do so without coming out strong ourselves is another and thats what let it go to this point. But our PR was a disaster before then too.

A club takes its identity from the top. Our identity is like an unsuccessful ryanair. Cheap and constant pr debacles. We had a year where it all seemed to be working and we seemed professional. It was a nice repreive but then we sank back down and now its gotten so bad we dont even know which way is up.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Quite possibly. Could go even further with the “what if’s?” though if the rumours about Roman wanting to buy us instead of Chelsea were true( unless that’s what you meant?).

Also, we were very close to appointing Fergie from Aberdeen a year before Utd got him. Although whether he’d have been given both the time and resources afforded him at Utd is another matter.

True. And if I had just said no to my RE teacher all those years ago, things could have been much happier.

 

[mattdefoe]

He has tried to get him twice in the past

Which times ? Before Chelsea ?

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

It's not Levy picking the players or failing to adequately prepare them for games as far as i'm aware.

Listen, I never once said this is a black & white/Levy vs Poch issue because clearly both are culpable to varying degrees.

I know full well you've had the horn for Daniel for a long ol' time but lets face facts, it's not the Chairman who's carrying the can when the continuing results are as poor as they've been.

It's obvious what I was saying, not a lot of that is actually relevant to that.

 

[The Doc]

Schneirdelin, when considering leaving Southampton, wouldn't entertain any interest from Tottenham. He or his agent let it be known that for him it would be a choice between two European Champions League club regulars, Arsenal and Manchester United. He went to United, got relatively few games there over a couple of seasons and later moved to Everton where he's faded there too. He, like Adam Lallana, had flourished at Southampton. There's a little section devoted to Lallana in the Pochettino book, Brave New World, though Lallana was one of that little clump of players that signed for Liverpool.

Berahino is a bullet that has been dodged by Spurs. Although Daniel Levy did try to sign him, a stand-off ensued with management at West Bromwich Albion despite all having agreed a price of about £25m. The trouble was that they wanted the fee paid in something nearer to one lump than the usual transfer arrangement of payment in instalments. Not long after, the people at WBA had been pushed out. That club suffered in the process. Retired footballer Glen Johnson told Talksport radio a few months ago that Berahino was one of the worst players he'd shared a dressing room with. This made headlines, so it can be traced online. And that's even before you might consider the £75,000 in traffic speeding fines and costs that were the subject of a hearing last month at Willesden Magistrates Court.

Some players who might have been signed by Levy have very occasionally been frustrating to have missed out on, but then he turns out to have signed better. And recruiting Pochettino as his circumstances changed has proved to be the most inspired signing we could have made from Southampton.

That's a bit one-sided re: Berahinho. It would be fairer to balance the above with something about Peace's role in that saga, and how he hung him (Berahinho) out to dry subsequently. Obviously, his (Berahinho) career has gone south massively, but, at the time of our interest, his numbers were excellent. Sympathetic to how missing out on a big move might affect people differently though, especially in a short-term career. Also not sure Glen Johnson is best-placed to comment on someone else's professionalism. Finally, I think the players we have reportedly missed out on during Poch's time amount to a tad more than "some", and significantly more than "very occasionally" re: frequency. That said, your point of view is perfectly valid too*.

* See. I can do it when I want to.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

That's a bit one-sided re: Berahinho. It would be fairer to balance the above with something about Peace's role in that saga, and how he hung him (Berahinho) out to dry subsequently. Obviously, his (Berahinho) career has gone south massively, but, at the time of our interest, his numbers were excellent. Sympathetic to how missing out on a big move might affect people differently though, especially in a short-term career. Also not sure Glen Johnson is best-placed to comment on someone else's professionalism. Finally, I think the players we have reportedly missed out on during Poch's time amount to a tad more than "some", and significantly more than "very occasionally" re: frequency. That said, your point of view is perfectly valid too*.

* See. I can do it when I want to.

Imposter

 

[Hakkz]

Which times ? Before Chelsea ?

We tried to get him after Chelsea sacked him the first time, but he wasn't allowed to train in England for 2 years because of his compensation from Chelsea. According to himself.

Also when he was still at Porto. Again, according to himself.

 

[Metalhead]

They were relatively minor signings IIRC in the months of Harry Redknapp's court case, his subsequent acquittal, his interest expressed in the England manager job vacancy after Fabio Capello's departure —with the supposedly well-informed, knowledgeable football media saying Harry was his obvious replacement and agreeing among themselves he was a dead cert to be appointed. The series of bad results in the Premier League that followed caused Spurs to fall out of the top places, and Harry lost his job at Spurs while also not getting the one with England. While I read plenty of gripes, then and since, about Saha and Nelson, they were not why Spurs fell short that season.

I'm just more making the point that whilst DL has overall been very good for the club, he isn't above criticism.

 

[spursfan77]

Which times ? Before Chelsea ?

When he was at Porto (if they hadn’t of scored that goal at old Trafford when he ran down the touch line to celebrate with his players he’d of been ours) and then when Jol was on his way out.

 

[McFlash]

Surely the anti Pochettino brigade would be delighted if he was replaced by Howe or Southgate,

Ffs! For the umpteenth time...
There is no "anti-Poch brigade".

 

[Hakkz]

When he was at Porto (if they hadn’t of scored that goal at old Trafford when he ran down the touch line to celebrate with his players he’d of been ours) and then when Jol was on his way out.

I found these quotes from 2004 that I found a bit funny now 15 years later.

Mourinho has made it no secret that he would love to take charge at Arsenal or Old Trafford but claimed he would prefer Liverpool over a switch to Chelsea despite owner Roman Abramovich's billions.

"Liverpool over Chelsea, no doubt about it," he added.
"I think Chelsea is a complicated club because there is a lot of money but an enormous pressure to win something soon.
"Do you think it's bearable to keep this crazy investment and not to win something? I think not. "I think the money will stop entering the club if they fail to win anything."

 

[PeeLee]

That's a bit one-sided re: Berahinho. It would be fairer to balance the above with something about Peace's role in that saga, and how he hung him (Berahinho) out to dry subsequently. Obviously, his (Berahinho) career has gone south massively, but, at the time of our interest, his numbers were excellent. Sympathetic to how missing out on a big move might affect people differently though, especially in a short-term career. Also not sure Glen Johnson is best-placed to comment on someone else's professionalism. Finally, I think the players we have reportedly missed out on during Poch's time amount to a tad more than "some", and significantly more than "very occasionally" re: frequency. That said, your point of view is perfectly valid too*.

* See. I can do it when I want to.

Glen Johnson played with him at Stoke, sharing a dressing room and like all such players they were involved in regular training with each other. Johnson was very specific in his criticisms, measured in his assessment and gave several examples of why Berahino so antagonised other players in the squad. It was no rant either, but merely something that arose in discussion about something else entirely (which I was listening 'live' to) and which had to be probed and prompted about rather than something he was bursting to say. It was a fascinating assessment from within a dressing room of full-time professional footballers. Contrast that with the flimsy rumour on this board about Spurs dressing room. The more the interviewer probed and pushed him in order to be able to say he'd tried to put some notional case for Berahino, the more Johnson elaborated on what he meant and gave more examples of why he and others had arrived at their conclusions about him. If only all football radio coverage was of this kind of analytical and considered quality.