Odsonne Edouard

[bbunc]

30-40m is a lot to pay for the position he will fill, also considering buying from the Scottish league is a gamble. He does look good mind. We are likely to want to break as close to even as possible, our model is based on having a substantial match day revenue, more so than other rivals. We are probably financially okay for now, but this isn't the window to spend big, as the future is very unpredictable.

The other thing is what is his pathway into becoming a first team regular? Will he be happy with that? Would he agree to it.

Again, I would be happy with a deal for Edouard to Spurs, but from his perspective I don't see why he'd come. I would also be shocked if we spent 30m on any player, yet alone one not set to start most games.

I don’t totally disagree with you, but if we really can’t spend this much on a striker, we need to stop wasting our time and sign a cheap option. If we’re diving in the bargain bin, we should have Deeney or Diallo already signed.

 

[C0YS]

I don’t totally disagree with you, but if we really can’t spend this much on a striker, we need to stop wasting our time and sign a cheap option. If we’re diving in the bargain bin, we should have Deeney or Diallo already signed.

It would be nice, but just because we wont be spending big bucks doesn't mean we shouldn't be trying to identify the best possible target we can get.

 

[SpartanSpur]

30-40m is a lot to pay for the position he will fill, also considering buying from the Scottish league is a gamble. He does look good mind. We are likely to want to break as close to even as possible, our model is based on having a substantial match day revenue, more so than other rivals. We are probably financially okay for now, but this isn't the window to spend big, as the future is very unpredictable.

The other thing is what is his pathway into becoming a first team regular? Will he be happy with that? Would he agree to it.

Again, I would be happy with a deal for Edouard to Spurs, but from his perspective I don't see why he'd come. I would also be shocked if we spent 30m on any player, yet alone one not set to start most games.

It's all about opportunity, right now the market is not very competitive with most of Europe's big boys cutting costs as they constantly push themselves to the limit financially. We are a bit more cautious financially, so like trix said we probably have some reserves we can draw from if something ideal comes up.

This could be our chance to get a relatively free run at someone like Edouard. You have to consider that this type of player could also be part of a Kane succession plan. Listen to Jose today and he's adamant we are not simply in for a 'backup'.

 

[the yid]

With my limited knowledge of European football think we are left with the two Dutch guys (Malen and Badou) abd Leao who fit the ITK.

Malen was let go by Arsenal

 

[Archibald-CPH]

Within 24hrs, i was camping with excitement from Daka thread to Edouard thread to be told they are not our TOP top top target.(what a tease honestly)

Ok..which player thread should we camp in now? Ronaldo or Deeney?

Taison please

 

[SpursSince1980]

With all of our awesome ITKers not aligned on the identity of the mystery striker we've been courting under the radar, I've convinced myself that it is for sure Mbappe. Or, Shane Long. Either or. For sure. Maybe. Kinda. Sorta. But yeah.... I'm certain.

 

[George94]

With all of our awesome ITKers not aligned on the identity of the mystery striker we've been courting under the radar, I've convinced myself that it is for sure Mbappe. Or, Shane Long. Either or. For sure. Maybe. Kinda. Sorta. But yeah.... I'm certain.

To be fair, we don't know whether they're not aligned on the identity of this mystery striker or not.

For all we know, they're all talking about different players and their representatives all think they're our number one choice...

 

[C0YS]

It's all about opportunity, right now the market is not very competitive with most of Europe's big boys cutting costs as they constantly push themselves to the limit financially. We are a bit more cautious financially, so like trix said we probably have some reserves we can draw from if something ideal comes up.

This could be our chance to get a relatively free run at someone like Edouard. You have to consider that this type of player could also be part of a Kane succession plan. Listen to Jose today and he's adamant we are not simply in for a 'backup'.

I get that. But then people expand not backup to mean he'll be playing all the time. No you want a player that can come in and give you options, but options does not mean will be starting most games, more like here is 10 mins to change a game, or on the very rare occasion starting with Kane.

It could be, but the question is then, is Edouard really worth it? This is where value is important. What do we think the value of him is? Now his record in scotland is very good, his record in european competition is decent but not what you would expect from a 40m player (during covid lets not forget) and his U21 record suggests a lot of potential.

Now when you have players like Antony Stokes, Kris Boyd, Kenny Miller and Gary Hooper as examples of players who scored numbers like Edouard you realise why paying big might not be worth it. Out of those players, most of them were high league 1 to mid-championship level players, none of them were hits or good enough to even risk playing in the PL. Now here lies the issue.

Having said that, players with lower scoring records have been hits in other leagues. Because goals are just generally an overrated metric in measuring how people translate to other leagues. More important is what they excel at and what they don't, and how would that fit with the league and the team.

Now Edouard appears very talented, and is clearly too good for the SPL, but the level of the SPL is comparable to league 1, and Celtic, despite what some of their fans might think, are really the level of a high Championship team, low premiership absolute tops. So there are reasons to be weary about spending big, it's the same with Watkins, talented for sure, but what does he need to produce to give us back that investment and what are the chances of him to do that.

For what it's worth lower standing teams are more likely to 'overpay' because a 10 goal a season striker for a team battling to stay up can be the deciding factor in your season. That can easily be worth 30m or so to you, for us a 10 goal a season striker (assuming they started every game) would be a flop and be seen as a costly mistake.

My point is I can see why we might not be willing to out bid Arsenal, and that's assuming he would pick us over Arsenal ( suspect he wouldn't because he is more likely to see a clearer route to personal development at Arsenal, auba is older and Edouard would probably fancy himself to be n.1 in 3-4 seasons tops). These deals are not simple.

 

[SpartanSpur]

I get that. But then people expand not backup to mean he'll be playing all the time. No you want a player that can come in and give you options, but options does not mean will be starting most games, more like here is 10 mins to change a game, or on the very rare occasion starting with Kane.

It could be, but the question is then, is Edouard really worth it? This is where value is important. What do we think the value of him is? Now his record in scotland is very good, his record in european competition is decent but not what you would expect from a 40m player (during covid lets not forget) and his U21 record suggests a lot of potential.

Now when you have players like Antony Stokes, Kris Boyd, Kenny Miller and Gary Hooper as examples of players who scored numbers like Edouard you realise why paying big might not be worth it. Out of those players, most of them were high league 1 to mid-championship level players, none of them were hits or good enough to even risk playing in the PL. Now here lies the issue.

Having said that, players with lower scoring records have been hits in other leagues. Because goals are just generally an overrated metric in measuring how people translate to other leagues. More important is what they excel at and what they don't, and how would that fit with the league and the team.

Now Edouard appears very talented, and is clearly too good for the SPL, but the level of the SPL is comparable to league 1, and Celtic, despite what some of their fans might think, are really the level of a high Championship team, low premiership absolute tops. So there are reasons to be weary about spending big, it's the same with Watkins, talented for sure, but what does he need to produce to give us back that investment and what are the chances of him to do that.

For what it's worth lower standing teams are more likely to 'overpay' because a 10 goal a season striker for a team battling to stay up can be the deciding factor in your season. That can easily be worth 30m or so to you, for us a 10 goal a season striker (assuming they started every game) would be a flop and be seen as a costly mistake.

My point is I can see why we might not be willing to out bid Arsenal, and that's assuming he would pick us over Arsenal ( suspect he wouldn't because he is more likely to see a clearer route to personal development at Arsenal, auba is older and Edouard would probably fancy himself to be n.1 in 3-4 seasons tops). These deals are not simple.

I totally get that but I also think its a very 'glass half empty' take. Even if the player went for £40m it wouldn't be a club record fee for us, it is within our normal means and most likely would involve instalments and add ons.

If Aubameyangs £375k pw 3 year deal is to be believed then that's him going nowhere for that whole period with no China safety net. Fingers crossed Kane is still here in 2023!

Also I'd say Auba, Lacazette and Martinelli is more competition than Kane and nobody.

As for Edouard he looks like about as good a signing as we can make currently. Good pedigree and good record in Scotland, but also probably enough of a step up for him to accept not being first choice! He certainly won't be bothered by the weather in England!

 

[sausage]

Malen was let go by Arsenal

Sold, not 'let go'. Apparently they preferred Nketiah.

I think Malen was at Arsenal a few months short of being HG.

 

[Johnny J]

He seems exactly the profile of player we should be signing.

 

[C0YS]

I totally get that but I also think its a very 'glass half empty' take. Even if the player went for £40m it wouldn't be a club record fee for us, it is within our normal means and most likely would involve instalments and add ons.

If Aubameyangs £375k pw 3 year deal is to be believed then that's him going nowhere for that whole period with no China safety net. Fingers crossed Kane is still here in 2023!

Also I'd say Auba, Lacazette and Martinelli is more competition than Kane and nobody.

As for Edouard he looks like about as good a signing as we can make currently. Good pedigree and good record in Scotland, but also probably enough of a step up for him to accept not being first choice! He certainly won't be bothered by the weather in England!

mate, whether Auba is still good enough at 34 is up for debate, I suspect he will decline. The point is a confident player would be like, yeh I could take his spot in a few years time. And how that would line up for Edouard, age wise, is frankly perfect.

We are not in a window where we are within our normal means. While I'm sure if its absolutely the right deal we will dip into reserves, the reality is COVID has really messed our entire financial structure up, and with the future being very much unknown we cannot be spending big, and personally I'd be worried if we did. We have to be projecting the worst possible outcome (Reduced TV money, No fans for a season maybe a season and a half, another suspension to the PL etc.). Top division clubs will go bust thanks to COVID, mark my words. Probably not in the PL, but I wouldn't discount it.

But the point is 40m is a big risk, I'm not sure Edouard is worth that risk, but I'm not someone who has seen him play that often. The club will watch him, see if we have a chance, than make a valuation. Sticking to valuations is important, overpaying once or twice ok, but making it a regular occurrence sets a bad precedent for other clubs taking advantage as well as the structural integrity of the club. Now, in particular, is not the time to overpay.

He isn't in competition with Kane and nobody. He is in competition with Kane and Son, and in the future Parrott. Lacazette btw is off if they get Edouard, and Arsenal often push Auba as a wide forward, and Edouard can also play there so frankly, he could even see him playing as a starter right away. But also, it's not about competition it's about how well you can sell a potential future to players. If Edouard doesn't believe Kane will move away soon and doesn't believe he could truly challenge Kane for a place then he won't buy into it. It's as simple as that really.

Edouard would be a good signing, if he wants to come, and probably not for 40m. The club will have ideas in their heads how achievable it would be to get him and how much they should pay. They might make mistakes in this regard, but you have to draw a line, in the current climate 40m is a lot, and we will only spend that if we sell Ndombele or if he really really is considered worth it, like an exceptional talent we simply can't miss our chance on.

 

[robpalmer135]

Hes insane in Football Manager fwiw

 

[SpartanSpur]

mate, whether Auba is still good enough at 34 is up for debate, I suspect he will decline. The point is a confident player would be like, yeh I could take his spot in a few years time. And how that would line up for Edouard, age wise, is frankly perfect.

We are not in a window where we are within our normal means. While I'm sure if its absolutely the right deal we will dip into reserves, the reality is COVID has really messed our entire financial structure up, and with the future being very much unknown we cannot be spending big, and personally I'd be worried if we did. We have to be projecting the worst possible outcome (Reduced TV money, No fans for a season maybe a season and a half, another suspension to the PL etc.). Top division clubs will go bust thanks to COVID, mark my words. Probably not in the PL, but I wouldn't discount it.

But the point is 40m is a big risk, I'm not sure Edouard is worth that risk, but I'm not someone who has seen him play that often. The club will watch him, see if we have a chance, than make a valuation. Sticking to valuations is important, overpaying once or twice ok, but making it a regular occurrence sets a bad precedent for other clubs taking advantage as well as the structural integrity of the club. Now, in particular, is not the time to overpay.

He isn't in competition with Kane and nobody. He is in competition with Kane and Son, and in the future Parrott. Lacazette btw is off if they get Edouard, and Arsenal often push Auba as a wide forward, and Edouard can also play there so frankly, he could even see him playing as a starter right away. But also, it's not about competition it's about how well you can sell a potential future to players. If Edouard doesn't believe Kane will move away soon and doesn't believe he could truly challenge Kane for a place then he won't buy into it. It's as simple as that really.

Edouard would be a good signing, if he wants to come, and probably not for 40m. The club will have ideas in their heads how achievable it would be to get him and how much they should pay. They might make mistakes in this regard, but you have to draw a line, in the current climate 40m is a lot, and we will only spend that if we sell Ndombele or if he really really is considered worth it, like an exceptional talent we simply can't miss our chance on.

Personally I think somewhere between £30-35m gets this done with a bit of creative accounting to get around the sell on. That is a fair amount to spend on a player with this profile and to plug the biggest gap in our squad. ITK has also said funds are there for a striker.

Is £30-40m even a massive overpayment for a player with this profile and record? Tierney went for £25m and he's a LB.

Lacazette has been quoted in lequipe today saying he is desperate to stay at Arsenal even when Atleti were mentioned. Also you can't say Auba plays wide and then say Son has to be counted as competition!

If £15m was all we had to spend King or Diallo would probably be here already.

 

[wiggo24]

Could this be our mystery target?

 

[synththfc]

Could this be our mystery target?

Not Dragon's specifically because Belotti isn't THAT young anymore, but could be one of the others'.

 

[DiVaio]

Could this be our mystery target?

I like this idea because we should do the same with Edouard

 

[delawarespur]

Could this be our mystery target?

Wow. Interesting. He had a blistering run of form for Torino after lockdown. He's incredibly aggressive and very pacy as well. Good finisher with both feet and a threat in the air. And of course, with the leader stigma, he has captained Torino for a while, while still being rather young. However, he is truly the heart and soul of Torino, so we'll have to pay a premium.

Edit: I don't know why I thought he was young. He turns 27 around Christmas, so he is entering his prime. Still, and intriguing and more importantly quality striker.

 

[dagraham]

Could this be our mystery target?

Well let’s hope not if that tweet has any truth to it!

 

[SpartanSpur]

Totally believe we would be interested in Belotti. Fits the profile we need. Don't think he fits the ITK profile but like Rebrab said we explore multiple opportunities at once.