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stevenurse

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Oh how accurate Poch was with his 'Painful rebuild' quotes. Whether he saw this coming I don't know, but it's depressing to think that

Toby/Jan/Eriksen all probably leaving on a free in the summer (they aren't going in January so that can be forgotten)

That's 3 first team, and key players during Pochs time that are leaving for nothing, and will cost North of 150m to replace unless we get lucky and unearth a gem (which we haven't done for years, even Clarke can't get a game for Leeds now)

Rose wants/wanted to go, or was being pushed in the summer

Our right back options are a joke and again likely to cost 50m to sort. Aarons would be an option but someone like Everton are more likely to take a punt on him while we piss about and then he'll cost 80 in 2 years.

The form of Alli has absolutely nosedived

Still no sign of an adequate backup/rotation/partner for Kane. I'd love us to go back in for Dybala but considering our deficiencies, the money is probably best spent on a RB.

That's before we even get to Poch and the fact that whenever Madrid see fit to sack Zidane, he'll be the first person they call.

So in theory, worst case scenario. We end the season (however good/bad it goes) with no Toby, Jan, Eriksen, Rose and Poch.

When you look at the youth the scum have coming through too it is a sad state of affairs. For all our magnificent facilities, maybe Parrott aside, and even that's purely out of necessity we've got no youth anywhere near breaking through.

Depressing
 

spuradik

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I think it would make more sense for Madrid to go after an out of contract Allegri than Poch. Plus Allegri's dealt with superstar players before. Poch is untested in that area.

Now wrt the rebuild, I do agree that we are in a transition period and from the looks of it, it may be somewhat prolonged. We still have 2 more players, namely GLC and RS, of genuine quality to come into the frame as well. So, hopefully that will improve things somewhat. But their inclusion alone will not mean that we'll suddenly become world beaters. It's quite clear that we still have other areas we need to address which may not happen until next summer.
 
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double0

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Poch imo shouldn't wait a minute more how can he trust certain players after conceding 7 goals at home in the CL. Utter humiliation he really should side line certain players until they leave on a bosman ie Rose Toby Vertonghen Eriksen Wanyama for a start.
 

dtxspurs

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There clearly wasn't done enough over the summer. You can't go 18 months and really only add 2 senior players (Lo Celso & Ndombele). A RB was an obvious need and so was defensive midfield.
 

ToDarrenIsToDo

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There clearly wasn't done enough over the summer. You can't go 18 months and really only add 2 senior players (Lo Celso & Ndombele). A RB was an obvious need and so was defensive midfield.

Ndombele was £62m in total with bonuses

If the Lo Celso £14m loan fee is true then he will cost £56m

Sessegnon cost us £25m

Clarke signed for £10m apparently, rising to £11.5m

That's a committed outlay of £154.5m. Could we really expect the club to spend much more than that? At the levels we possibly require? If we get similar outlays across the next two summers I think that's more than fair from the owners but I don't know if Poch can expect or will get much more than that per summer moving forward.
 

spuradik

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Ndombele was £62m in total with bonuses

If the Lo Celso £14m loan fee is true then he will cost £56m

Sessegnon cost us £25m

Clarke signed for £10m apparently, rising to £11.5m

That's a committed outlay of £154.5m. Could we really expect the club to spend much more than that? At the levels we possibly require? If we get similar outlays across the next two summers I think that's more than fair from the owners but I don't know if Poch can expect or will get much more than that per summer moving forward.

But that number does not take into account the amount we received from player sales this past summer and the windows prior to it. We also made record profits in the past few seasons in no small part due the lack of incomings. Again, this is money that could've been spent on player purchases but instead remained unspent over this time. In essence, what the owners have done this summer is that they've simply ensured that the books were balanced. So it would be foolish to think that the owners are ever going to spend like this next summer or any other window in the future where we end up with a substantial net spend.

Poch understands this quite well and has mentioned this multiple times in his press conferences. Even Levy has come out recently and said as much himself.
 

JayB

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Ndombele was £62m in total with bonuses

If the Lo Celso £14m loan fee is true then he will cost £56m

Sessegnon cost us £25m

Clarke signed for £10m apparently, rising to £11.5m

That's a committed outlay of £154.5m. Could we really expect the club to spend much more than that? At the levels we possibly require? If we get similar outlays across the next two summers I think that's more than fair from the owners but I don't know if Poch can expect or will get much more than that per summer moving forward.
I think you're both right. So many holes had developed in the squad that adding two senior players wasn't even remotely sufficient to address them, but at the same time the prices in the market meant that we couldn't realistically have done much more.

It just goes to show how incredibly damaging going a year and a half without signing a player was. We were never going to be able to do all the business that needed to be done in one summer, and the same goes for the coming windows. We desperately need a DM and a right back, and that's not even accounting for the fact that Eriksen and our two first-choice CBs are out of contract. It seems that we're stuck in a never-ending game of whack-a-mole in which we're hopelessly trying to fill the gaps that have been negligently left to languish in the squad while new gaps are appearing all the time.
 

double0

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Ndombele was £62m in total with bonuses

If the Lo Celso £14m loan fee is true then he will cost £56m

Sessegnon cost us £25m

Clarke signed for £10m apparently, rising to £11.5m

That's a committed outlay of £154.5m. Could we really expect the club to spend much more than that? At the levels we possibly require? If we get similar outlays across the next two summers I think that's more than fair from the owners but I don't know if Poch can expect or will get much more than that per summer moving forward.
More was needed tho. We should of sold more or loaned players out especially those not fully on board.

Dybala was a total mess up
 

Hakkz

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So in theory, worst case scenario. We end the season (however good/bad it goes) with no Toby, Jan, Eriksen, Rose and Poch.

I think a contract can be sorted out for Jan, especially if we change manager.

The rest we can probably replace somewhat...
 

Hakkz

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More was needed tho. We should of sold more or loaned players out especially those not fully on board.

Dybala was a total mess up

Dybala would have changed nothing with this awful fucking defense.
 

mike_l

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It's amazing how we used to sing his praises for being able to work within our budgets, yet now so many are happy to accept that he's a chequebook manager who can't possibly be expected to beat Newcastle, or Colchester or not lose 7-2 at home to Bayern Munich without having another £200m to throw at the side...
 

double0

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I think a contract can be sorted out for Jan, especially if we change manager.

The rest we can probably replace somewhat...
If you're suggesting Jan Vertonghen is more vital to Tottenham than Pochettinho... My gosh. He shouldn't be first choice imo far to slow and ponderous now.
Sanchez must be thinking what the hell
 

double0

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It's amazing how we used to sing his praises for being able to work within our budgets, yet now so many are happy to accept that he's a chequebook manager who can't possibly be expected to beat Newcastle, or Colchester or not lose 7-2 at home to Bayern Munich without having another £200m to throw at the side...
He needs backing. Some of the players clearly have downed tools and to be fear Id rather get those players out.
 

Hakkz

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If you're suggesting Jan Vertonghen is more vital to Tottenham than Pochettinho... My gosh. He shouldn't be first choice imo far to slow and ponderous now.
Sanchez must be thinking what the hell

I agree that maybe he shouldn't be first team. Pochettino is not vital to this club anymore however.
 
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