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y1dk1d

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Thank god you were at the game and was able to update me. My eyes must be completely awful then, never need to watch a game again with you around.

Now I bet you'll also say, "I was at the game and Townsend was in fact amazing and never wasted possession!"
Fucking hell, seems like it's illegal to say you went to a match. Did I ever mention the fact that my judgement is better than everyone else's because of this? No. It's just easier to focus on a player and get a general feel from other fans. But because of this people seem to be missing the point. I'm not saying I'm right, it's about opinions, and I'm not keen on Paul. Maybe you are and that's fair enough. If like to apologise to everyone for any harm I've caused by going to WHL today. Sorry
 

y1dk1d

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It's so easy to assist goals and be in right positions. Just look at Lennon and Townsend, oh...
It was 2 vs 1! If he didn't make that pass I'm sure you'd be on his back as opposed to saying "well, it was tough and would've been great if he'd have pulled it off"
 

St José Dominguez

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It was 2 vs 1! If he didn't make that pass I'm sure you'd be on his back as opposed to saying "well, it was tough and would've been great if he'd have pulled it off"

Him pressing up pitch helped create the opportunity, good pass on a plate for Kane although yes he should be making that and he did. Him being in right position far, far more than most other players isn't luck. If it was that easy we wouldn't have Lennon and Townsend who'll probably barely get 5 goals and assists between them this season.
 

y1dk1d

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Him pressing up pitch helped create the opportunity, good pass on a plate for Kane although yes he should be making that and he did. Him being in right position far, far more than most other players isn't luck. If it was that easy we wouldn't have Lennon and Townsend who'll probably barely get 5 goals and assists between them this season.
Another fair point, he does get in the right positions and is really our only CM who does. I don't think Paulinho is bad, I just think he's not as good as we hoped. Then again I seem to be in the minority so let's hope he gets better
 

St José Dominguez

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Another fair point, he does get in the right positions and is really our only CM who does. I don't think Paulinho is bad, I just think he's not as good as we hoped. Then again I seem to be in the minority so let's hope he gets better

Don't get me wrong I don't think he had some amazing game, and there is more to come imo. But he's not even match fit let alone Pochettino match fit. He had a good game I thought. Thought he was head and shoulders above Lennon and Townsend (one of which I think should be replaced with better quality) and currently he's 4th choice for one of the AM positions imo. If was chosen that it'd be Capoue & Schneiderlin (hopefully) behind Eriksen, Lamela & Paulinho think we could be looking at a 15 goal player. What does he do? Well gets goals, which helps us win matches and gets points which is surely last line of Pochettino's philosophy.
 

Sweech

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Fucking hell, seems like it's illegal to say you went to a match. Did I ever mention the fact that my judgement is better than everyone else's because of this?
It's just easier to focus on a player and get a general feel from other fans.
Wow. Just went and contradicted yourself pretty quickly there. I think it's pretty blatant that you keep bringing up the fact you were there as if it gives more creedence to your judgment than to anyone else's - Otherwise you wouldn't mention it.


But because of this people seem to be missing the point. I'm not saying I'm right, it's about opinions, and I'm not keen on Paul. Maybe you are and that's fair enough. If like to apologise to everyone for any harm I've caused by going to WHL today. Sorry

I have to say I would like to have been at the game you were at. The one where Sandro was our best player and Paulinho played poorly.
 

y1dk1d

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Don't get me wrong I don't think he had some amazing game, and there is more to come imo. But he's not even match fit let alone Pochettino match fit. He had a good game I thought. Thought he was head and shoulders above Lennon and Townsend (one of which I think should be replaced with better quality) and currently he's 4th choice for one of the AM positions imo. If was chosen that it'd be Capoue & Schneiderlin (hopefully) behind Eriksen, Lamela & Paulinho think we could be looking at a 15 goal player. What does he do? Well gets goals, which helps us win matches and gets points which is surely last line of Pochettino's philosophy.
Think this is something we can both agree on. Whilst he hasn't shown much quality he hasn't been awful. Also he does fade in and out of matches but he scores which is the most important part
 

St José Dominguez

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Think this is something we can both agree on. Whilst he hasn't shown much quality he hasn't been awful. Also he does fade in and out of matches but he scores which is the most important part

I'm not sure he particularly faded in and out today. He was dropping deep a lot keeping ball moving and pressing a lot too. Something I really liked today was him helping organise the pressing, pointing for Kane and Lennon to be in certain areas to limit the space, something I'm sure Poch liked. What would be interesting is seeing him alongside a Lamela or Eriksen, think could see him step up more with better quality. Really don't think Lennon or Townsend are suited for these 3 AMs.
 

y1dk1d

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Wow. Just went and contradicted yourself pretty quickly there. I think it's pretty blatant that you keep bringing up the fact you were there as if it gives more creedence to your judgment than to anyone else's - Otherwise you wouldn't mention it.




I have to say I would like to have been at the game you were at. The one where Sandro was our best player and Paulinho played poorly.
Don't really know why I'm being so victimised here so I'll attempt to clear this up:

I mentioned the fact I went because I thought it was a point of interest. It might not be the best but I enjoyed it and thought it might be worth mentioning. Didn't think this is where certain people would take it out of proportion as if I'm coming across like I think I'm some mastery pundit. Others were bigging that up, not me. I'll admit I think it does slightly enhance someone's judgement. You see different things. However not to the extent that some were making me out to think.

I thought Sandro was our best player. Man of the match is never really a fact, it's an opinion and this is mine as I feel he did his job very well, despite fears that he'd be rusty or not as good. I was one of these but he really impressed me tonight.

As for Paulinho I was a but harsh but I still don't think he's as good as some think. I hope he improves bit as I've already conceded he does score and this is the most important part.

Anything else?
 

y1dk1d

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I'm not sure he particularly faded in and out today. He was dropping deep a lot keeping ball moving and pressing a lot too. Something I really liked today was him helping organise the pressing, pointing for Kane and Lennon to be in certain areas to limit the space, something I'm sure Poch liked. What would be interesting is seeing him alongside a Lamela or Eriksen, think could see him step up more with better quality. Really don't think Lennon or Townsend are suited for these 3 AMs.
I didn't necessarily mean fading in and out today I meant generally but I didn't specify tbf. Also I agree that he did work hard and his pressing was very good. I also agree that this would've pleased Poch in particular
 

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Come on guys, we don't all need to have a go at @y1dk1d over here. I think they've just articulated his first thoughts wrongly (well, not wrongly, but giving implications they didn't intend.)

Now, I've only ever been to one game at WHL, so I'm not the best judge of this, but you do get a great sense of euphoria after the win, and it's easy to really confirm your biases. I did not expect much from Sandro today, like I expected little from Dembélé on Sunday, but both surprised me by playing as good as they should be.

However, although Paulinho did have a relatively good game today, being involved in two goals, he did struggle at some points, and that is because, as one poster pointed out, he isn't fit yet. When he is fit, then we can make some proper judgements.

The unfortunate thing about us having such a large squad (@DEFchenkOE was trying to get this across in the match thread I believe, but a few were quick to retort, and I made a joke instead of understanding their valid point) is that in order for the whole squad to get enough first team football, one or two midfielders have to go, and none are miles better than the rest.

This leads to polarising opinions over arbitrary matters that decide for each individual the player(s) that need to leave, and since (at least for me) I feel a great deal of attachment to most players who come through the club, it's hard to let them go (especially the main targets of transfer speculation, like Holtby or the Beast), so people make irrational judgements and stick to them rather than considering all the heart-wrenching options available. Bit of hyperbole, but I hope y'all understand where I'm coming from. (y):D
 

fatpiranha

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I saw the match pretty much like @y1dk1d did. Sandro had a very good game although Chiriches was my MotM.

Paulinho clearly isn't match fit yet and started very poorly. He improved massively in the 2nd half after he'd run a bit of ring rust off. I'm not a fan of his but he didn't hide today and actually appeared to be trying.

That being said the opposition was pretty dire so it's hard to judge until you see these guys playing against proper teams. With the possible exception of Chiriches though ( and Lloris obviously) I don't see any of tonight's players being 1st choice starters in the immediate future but they are all useful squad players. Davies, Kaboul, Kane and Dembele will all get plenty of 1st team action this season.
 

jezz

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Told me what? :confused:

I've always been supportive towards Paulinho.

So would I and there is no doubt about it, he's a massive goal threat.

Just intrigued to see how Poch's uses him because on the face of it he's not really suited to the number ten spot...and hasn't always looked great in the 'two'.


Agreed to a point, think he looked good away to Citeh in the AM 3.
He has looked lazy in the CM, I just wonder if its because he's not had a break for 2 years?
Interesting one for MP, especially in MS comes in, because he looks like a nailed on starter.
I think Paul will used in the AM 3 especially if AT goes the other way.
Im hoping Paul suprises a few and gives MP a selection headache.
 

prawnsandwich

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I saw the match pretty much like @y1dk1d did. Sandro had a very good game although Chiriches was my MotM.

Paulinho clearly isn't match fit yet and started very poorly. He improved massively in the 2nd half after he'd run a bit of ring rust off. I'm not a fan of his but he didn't hide today and actually appeared to be trying.

That being said the opposition was pretty dire so it's hard to judge until you see these guys playing against proper teams. With the possible exception of Chiriches though ( and Lloris obviously) I don't see any of tonight's players being 1st choice starters in the immediate future but they are all useful squad players. Davies, Kaboul, Kane and Dembele will all get plenty of 1st team action this season.
It's great that so many players are being chosen as MOTM. Almost faultless team performance last night from match unfit players. Lloris had one soft save to make and we had loads of goal attempts.
Paulinho certainly a contender for MOTM. Was there an offical MOTM and who was it?
 

y1dk1d

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It's great that so many players are being chosen as MOTM. Almost faultless team performance last night from match unfit players. Lloris had one soft save to make and we had loads of goal attempts.
Paulinho certainly a contender for MOTM. Was there an offical MOTM and who was it?
Out of the 3 nominations Kane got the most retweets (274), followed by Paulinho with 231 then Andros with 54
 

yido_number1

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Not one of Paulinho's biggest fans and at the start of the season and before the game I was in the "he won't fit the system camp". Playing in the front 3 allows for his lack of running backwards and making 50/50 tackles. He seemed to play with a lot more energy than I've seen before and he showed some very nice passing and movement. I love the comments about what does he do other than score and assist (Isn't that what the game is about?).
 

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Paulinho can clearly play in attacking midfield in this system. I was impressed with his pressing tonight, thought he did a good job of harrying the Limassol defense and putting them under pressure.

He was given a lot of stick last season for his defensive contributions, and rightly so, yet he still managed to be one of our top tacklers. Alongside Lamela I think he would be very effective in winning the ball back high up the pitch and creating threatening situations. And if he were to bottle a challenge here or there it wouldn't be nearly as costly as it was last year from holding midfield positions.

There is definitely a place for Paulinho in our squad, if we are going to sell a box to box player it ought to be Dembele IMO.

What!? He's looking back to his best again. The guy is immense! Even noticed a couple of quick, forward passes from him last night!
 

fatpiranha

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Not one of Paulinho's biggest fans and at the start of the season and before the game I was in the "he won't fit the system camp". Playing in the front 3 allows for his lack of running backwards and making 50/50 tackles. He seemed to play with a lot more energy than I've seen before and he showed some very nice passing and movement. I love the comments about what does he do other than score and assist (Isn't that what the game is about?).

I think the problem is if you are going to play him in the front 3 then who is he better than in that position. Eriksen? Obviously not. Lamela? Don't make me laugh. Chadli? I suppose a case could be made but i'd favour Chadli myself. Let's not forget that he is a £17M Brazilian international. That's a lot of money for a club like ours to pay for someone who may be a slight improvement over Chadli. And that of course assuming we don't bring in Jay Rod or Wellbeck or Depay or any of a host of AM we've been linked with.

In all the time he's been at the club i've seen Paulinho play well in about 3 halves of football. If we can get back 80% of what we paid for him I reckon Levy will take that with Poch's blessing.
 
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