Player Ratings v WBA

[SoulDog]

In all honesty, what I heard were grumbles of discontent rather than booing if I'm perfectly honest.

Walking out of WHL it was like the old days again, every man and his dog blaming JJ for us not winning.

What makes me laugh is people saying "If Huddlestone was on instead of jenas we would of won" lol

One of the most slowest players who needs so much time on the ball and we would of won? Jenas is just as good if not better than over-rated huddlestone

 

[Damian99]

What makes me laugh is people saying "If Huddlestone was on instead of jenas we would of won" lol

One of the most slowest players who needs so much time on the ball and we would of won? Jenas is just as good if not better than over-rated huddlestone

Good lord each to their own i suppose lol. Just out of curiosity where are all these comments about "if huddlestone was on instead of Jenas we would have won"? or have you just made that bit up??

 

[WaddlesMullet]

It was obvious to everybody at the ground yesterday that Friedel created panic amongst our defence. At 41 years old he is still a fantastic shot stopper, but he simply refuses to come off his line. There was a time in the first half where Walker was being chased by their striker and he was literally willing Friedel to come claim it. Nearly resulted in a goal for them.
I blame Friedel for the goal. There were two chances to claim it. One where the header looped up in the air and Lukaku challenged for it, and one where Gallas cleared it off the line. Whether it is him not wanting to take responsibility or whether his body won't allow him to I do not know. But we need a new younger goalkeeper who is brave enough to come and claim crosses.

 

[SoulDog]

Good lord each to their own i suppose lol. Just out of curiosity where are all these comments about "if huddlestone was on instead of Jenas we would have won"? or have you just made that bit up??

As I was stuck in the car the whole day yesterday I heard a couple of people phone up and say it on fivel ive

 

[mpickard2087]

Friedel 6 - Two good saves in the second half, but I am still completely puzzled as to why he didnt grab the ball in the build up to the goal (specifically at the point where Gallas had to head it off the line), the ball was trickling towards the line, he grabs it and that crazy passage of play is over and we can all calm down and thats almost certainly the three points. Is he scared or something? Very poor decision making.

Walker 6.5 - Linked well with Lennon in the first half, defended reasonably well (well, better than last week).

Gallas 6 - Struggled against Lukaku.

Vertonghen 7 - Great with the ball and bringing it out of defence, needs to sharpen up a bit on the nitty gritty of defending in the PL but a good debut.

Ekotto 6.5 - Good on the ball, some sloppy moments. Better than last week though.

Livermore 7 - Very good first half, bit over-run in the second but I dont think tactical changes helped nor the fact that Sandro ran out of steam. Kept getting his foot in, some good interceptions and played a few good passes. All in all a good game.

Sandro 6.5 - With Livermore thought he had a strong first half, winning the ball and dominating the midfield. Ran out of steam though in the second half which didnt help us, especially as WBA were coming back into the match.

Lennon 7 - Looked very lively in the first half, wasted a couple of good opportunities but at least was getting into good positions. Second half couldnt get into the game, and his workrate dropped off.

VDV 6.5 - Good vision and sprayed some nice passes around, but being so deep meant we didnt have his threat around the Penalty box. I know he hasnt had much pre-season but thought it was the wrong decision to sub him off.

Bale 6 - First half looked very dangerous, numerous crosses that someone should have been on the end of. Second half we saw the bad side of him. Totally anonymous for the most part, minimal effort and strolling around wherever he feels like.

Defoe 3 - Total dog turd. How he stayed on the pitch for so long is a mystery for me. Typical Defoe performance, sporadic involvement in the game and when the ball does reach his feet he is greedy and almost always picks the wrong option.

Ade 5 - Clearly not fit, would still have had him in front of Defoe though.

Sigurdsson n/a - I wont give him a rating, but not seeing what he brings to the team so far.

Jenas n/a - You have to laugh that he is being made the scapegoat, listening to a lot on here you would think we were in control before he came on and 'ruined things'. I dunno what game they were watching because the 20 mins before that we were hanging on for dear life, it didnt just suddenly happen with his introduction to the match. As for the fans who booed him... well go support West Ham because you deserve to sit through relegation.

 

[ShelfSide18]

As I was stuck in the car the whole day yesterday I heard a couple of people phone up and say it on fivel ive

Heard it a couple of times coming out WHL myself.

 

[Damian99]

As I was stuck in the car the whole day yesterday I heard a couple of people phone up and say it on fivel ive

For anyone to suggest we could have won a game had "so and so played/not played" instead is massively incorrect. What it can do is give a greater chance of doing that. I am not even arguing AVB shouldn't have brought Jenas on and last week against Newcastle at one stage i actually wanted AVB to bring him on.

But its my opinion, from the off not saying we don't need someone else, but sandro/huddlestone for me right now.

Huddlestone can get around a football pitch no problems may not be able to do that for 90minutes, but find me a player who will not tire. they are far and few between.

 

[npr60]

Jenas is mobile.

So is my nokia

 

[WhiteHart4Ever]

I have to say that Sigurdsson really worries me for an £8m buy because I can't really fathom out what he actually does other than taking decent corners.
I have watched him in pre-season(ok scored a nice goal) and in our 2 games in the league and his general play has been woeful.
He really needs to up his performance levels and work his balls off in training if he really wants to be accepted here.

We are seriously lacking in attacking midfield and if you look at all the BIG clubs,United,City and Chelsea that's where they have invested because these are the players who win games in the modern era.

Dembele is 10 times the player Sigurdsson is and is definitely a player that we should be looking at...............and guess what?
We might even be able to actually afford him,instead of wasting half the window chasing players like Oscar and Hazard who we have NO chance of getting.

He has drive, he creates chances and he scores goals - precisely what we've been missing from midfield. Should've been on from the start yesterday..

 

[SoulDog]

Shame people hate jenas so much, why is it peple dont like him? I dont know why he stays at spurs, he would be better going somewhere else. he would do well at another club just like Pineaar as he is just as good as pineaar to be fair IMO.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

I have to say that Sigurdsson really worries me for an £8m buy because I can't really fathom out what he actually does other than taking decent corners.
I have watched him in pre-season(ok scored a nice goal) and in our 2 games in the league and his general play has been woeful.
He really needs to up his performance levels and work his balls off in training if he really wants to be accepted here.

We are seriously lacking in attacking midfield and if you look at all the BIG clubs,United,City and Chelsea that's where they have invested because these are the players who win games in the modern era.

Dembele is 10 times the player Sigurdsson is and is definitely a player that we should be looking at...............and guess what?
We might even be able to actually afford him,instead of wasting half the window chasing players like Oscar and Hazard who we have NO chance of getting.

This is more like the stemark44 I knew and liked!

These same concerns have been voiced to me by a couple of the senior contributors here and I have to say that I am not sure what he's supposed to be bringing to the party. In 20 minutes of action yesterday, he completed 4/8 passes. He had 68 minutes against Newcastle. 10/13 passes. I call that borderline anonymity.

I don't know if Dembele's 10 times the player Sigurdsson is but he certainly gets a lot more involved in the play and he's a real powerhouse.

 

[mpickard2087]

This is more like the stemark44 I knew and liked!

These same concerns have been voiced to me by a couple of the senior contributors here and I have to say that I am not sure what he's supposed to be bringing to the party. In 20 minutes of action yesterday, he completed 4/8 passes. He had 68 minutes against Newcastle. 10/13 passes. I call that borderline anonymity.

I don't know if Dembele's 10 times the player Sigurdsson is but he certainly gets a lot more involved in the play and he's a real powerhouse.

Just said the same in my match ratings, obviously its early days but Im not sure what his game is. Seems a bit of a luxury if we have brought him in to hit a few good set pieces and score some long-rangers.

 

[stov]

Lol do me a favour. Firstly he didn't only pass sideways and backwards that's blatantly not true, and secondly through his 12 or so touches of the ball we lost momentum? I mean how do you even begin to quantify that with all the other variables going on in the game?

He came on with about 15 minutes to go after we scored. He never gave the ball away. He didn't do anything wrong. West Brom went shit or bust and equalized. If that had been Livermore coming on and playing the same it wouldn't even get a mention on here.

I hope Jenas leaves for his sake. But I'm worried that the fuck wits will just turn their attention to another player to vent their rage and ignorance on. After all it needs an outlet somewhere...

It would by me. Stop tarring anyone who criticises Jenas as an ignorant fuckwit as neither applies to me I also have very little rage. I cannot find any evidence of ignorance, rage or fuckwittery in my post.

not doing 'anything wrong' just doesn't cut the mustard for a top 4 team. I could probably sit in the midfield and complete seven simple passes, the team would still be a lot shitter with me in it. What about the back pass? almost cost a goal when there was absolutely no need to pass it back there from the half way line. Jenas in his current form is a passive player who does very little to affect a game. Yesterday we needed a player to take control of the ball and add a certain level of composure which Jenas clearly is incapable of.

 

[stov]

Ha, seriously?

So if you're going to run with that god knows what you must have made of Siggy completing 3/6 passes in more time than JJ had? Or did losing the ball half the time he had it somehow inject momentum into our play?

Out of the 3 subs that came on, JJ was the only one who actually did the job he was asked to do.

he was asked to pass backwards and do little else?

Gylfi was also poor I did not say otherwise. there were many reasons we conceded the initiative, including the passivity of our midfield- livermore, jenas and gylfi were all guilty of it.

 

[stov]

Shame people hate jenas so much, why is it peple dont like him? I dont know why he stays at spurs, he would be better going somewhere else. he would do well at another club just like Pineaar as he is just as good as pineaar to be fair IMO.

I for one don't hate jenas just don't think he is not good enough. Would never boo a spurs player though.

 

[Paolo10]

I don't rate him, Damian, no. I pull my punches somewhat on this forum as I don't want to be seen to be courting controversy. I actually think Livermore and Jenas are remarkably similar in the way that neither of them can really impose themselves on a game. I don't rate Huddlestone either. And don't get me started on Friedel.

Somebody like Dembele alongside Sandro could work well.

At least Livermore has a bit of bollocks about him and is young enough to push on.

Jenas never came close to his potential...and I'd have Pienaar ahead of JJ EVERY SINGLE TIME, whoever that was.

 

[whitelightwhiteheat]

In all honesty, what I heard were grumbles of discontent rather than booing if I'm perfectly honest.

Walking out of WHL it was like the old days again, every man and his dog blaming JJ for us not winning.

There were audible murmurs when JJ came on, absolutely. I didn't hear any booing, but I only watched a stream, I wasn't there. So there was no booing?

JJ was not the reason we didn't win that game. There were several contributing factors, none of them were JJ in fact.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

At least Livermore has a bit of bollocks about him and is young enough to push on.

I'd have to disagree with you there, Paolo. I don't think Livermore has balls. Scott Parker has balls. And a nose for danger.

 

[SoulDog]

At least Livermore has a bit of bollocks about him and is young enough to push on.

Jenas never came close to his potential...and I'd have Pienaar ahead of JJ EVERY SINGLE TIME, whoever that was.

On his day JJ can be a good player who gives it his all, works hard, is good on the ball, if JJ got games at another club I think he would do well just like Pienaar has. I admit jenas is never going to be amazing but I dont understand why people do not like him?

 

[Paolo10]

In comparison to JJ, I'd wager Livermore has a fair set. I don't rate Livermore that highly either, but JJ is a complete waste of talent. Livermore is still capable of hopefully improving.

As for Scotty's bollocks, well as you'd expect he has to cart his round in a wheelbarrow.

We are missing him and his humongous testicles badly.