Player watch: Danny Rose

[wrd]

shocker is a bit much but he didn't do a whole lot right either, a 4 or 5/10 performance - he certainly wasn't alone in that though.

the whole situation with rose is just a mystery to me though. last season he was clearly first choice and whilst he wasn't back to his best he was at least heading in the right direction. then the summer comes and we pretty much tell him he's free to go and even up until transfer deadline day it looked like he was off, to watford of all clubs. at the same time we hand davies a new five year deal so at that point you'd be thinking the writing is on the wall as far as rose is concerned and yet he's carried on as first choice, i know davies came back a bit later due to injury but still.

It's bizarre to me, especially the way he continues in the first 11, his performances last season weren't that bad but he's fallen off a cliff this season. It goes to show how utterly terrible Davies has been that he hasn't managed to make the LB spot his own. I'm crossing my entirely body on a solution involving Sessegnon as a wing back.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

It's bizarre to me, especially the way he continues in the first 11, his performances last season weren't that bad but he's fallen off a cliff this season. It goes to show how utterly terrible Davies has been that he hasn't managed to make the LB spot his own. I'm crossing my entirely body on a solution involving Sessegnon as a wing back.

Sess looked absolutely horrendous defensively last season. I cannot see him suddenly turning that around

A 5 year deal for Davies is unbelievable. As slow a full back as you can get without an attacking bone in his body

Poch pretty much implied that these (Sissoko/Davies) contract extensions had nothing to do with him

Whether true or not those signings worry me. One due to age and the other due to him having been at the club for many years now and having done very very little to gain that new contract

I had high hopes for Davies when we signed him but he’s been nothing other than very disappointing

As for Rose he was nowhere near his best for England. Pretty much fouled and bundled his way through the entire game which is what he does when he’s not at the races

Still our best left back by a mile though..

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Sess looked absolutely horrendous defensively last season. I cannot see him suddenly turning that around

A 5 year deal for Davies is unbelievable. As slow a full back as you can get without an attacking bone in his body

Poch pretty much implied that these (Sissoko/Davies) contract extensions had nothing to do with him

Whether true or not those signings worry me. One due to age and the other due to him having been at the club for many years now and having done very very little to gain that new contract

I had high hopes for Davies when we signed him but he’s been nothing other than very disappointing

As for Rose he was nowhere near his best for England. Pretty much fouled and bundled his way through the entire game which is what he does when he’s not at the races

Still our best left back by a mile though..

If Davies hasn’t got an attacking bone in his body, that’s very worrying for Rose who’s never managed as high an assisting whole season as Davies did in 2/3 of a season in 2016/17, and has a much worse assist per game than Davies.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

If Davies hasn’t got an attacking bone in his body, that’s very worrying for Rose who’s never managed as high an assisting whole season as Davies did in 2/3 of a season in 2016/17, and has a much worse assist per game than Davies.

Stats are bollox. I know who I’d rather have playing for me and I know who I’d much rather play against!

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Stats are bollox. I know who I’d rather have playing for me and I know who I’d much rather play against!

Surely assists stats are a very good measure of a attacking full backs prowess, given that they depend wholly on a) a full backs ability to get into a crossing position and b) the quality of that full back’s crosses...

I’m no huge lover of Davies but it’s a myth that he offers any less than Rose going forward. He’s slower, but he’s a much better passer, crosser and thinker, even though he’s not that great.

Also, I meant 17/18 not 16/17.

 

[coys200]

Sess looked absolutely horrendous defensively last season. I cannot see him suddenly turning that around

A 5 year deal for Davies is unbelievable. As slow a full back as you can get without an attacking bone in his body

Poch pretty much implied that these (Sissoko/Davies) contract extensions had nothing to do with him

Whether true or not those signings worry me. One due to age and the other due to him having been at the club for many years now and having done very very little to gain that new contract

I had high hopes for Davies when we signed him but he’s been nothing other than very disappointing

As for Rose he was nowhere near his best for England. Pretty much fouled and bundled his way through the entire game which is what he does when he’s not at the races

Still our best left back by a mile though..

You can’t possibly judge Sessegnon as a LB on last season. How do you think Trent would have looked had you put him in that Huddersfield team ? Rose gets away with murder he really does based on what ? 2 good seasons out of 13 at the club. He’s stupid interview 2 years ago was probably the start of all the unrest. There’s a reason we’ve been trying to off load him for 18 months.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

You can’t possibly judge Sessegnon as a LB on last season. How do you think Trent would have looked had you put him in that Huddersfield team ? Rose gets away with murder he really does based on what ? 2 good seasons out of 13 at the club. He’s stupid interview 2 years ago was probably the start of all the unrest. There’s a reason we’ve been trying to off load him for 18 months.

Rose 'gets away with murder because he was very ordinary when he went on loan to Sunderland and returned a completely different player. In my 45 years watching Tottenham players I’m not sure I’ve seen a better improvement

Those 2 seasons or so he was World Class so he gets a lot of slack

Also 'gets away with murder' because he wears his heart on his sleeve and leaves everything on the pitch

Don’t actually agree that he 'gets away with murder' but obviously he’s nowhere near that fantastic player we had a little while ago

I still maintain he’s head & shoulders are best option at this time

As for Sessegnon, we can only judge him on what we’ve seen so far and imo throwing him into a side struggling for results and confidence is a dangerous thing. We are in a very different situation to when a young Bale was thrown in. Also Bale was flying when he came in. Sess has had a tough time of late

Can easily go tits up with him. Might need a lot of time and patience. Something the supporters don’t have much of, especially at the moment

For the record I think Sessegnon is a huge talent but sometimes these things are about timing

 

[LeParisien]

 

[wrd]

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Do you reckon this might be caused by the tactical decision to have wingers covering the space so although the newcastle wide man isnt attacking the space out currently that rose is wary of leaving so much space by coming centrally?

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Surely assists stats are a very good measure of a attacking full backs prowess, given that they depend wholly on a) a full backs ability to get into a crossing position and b) the quality of that full back’s crosses...

I’m no huge lover of Davies but it’s a myth that he offers any less than Rose going forward. He’s slower, but he’s a much better passer, crosser and thinker, even though he’s not that great.

Also, I meant 17/18 not 16/17.

I hate stats. I bet Davies has better stats than Kyle Walker had at Spurs.

You say that obviously stats are a good indication of a fullbacks attacking prowess. Well clearly they are not. You only need to open your eyes and watch the game

My judgement is slightly bias towards Rose because he was World Class for a time and is a Tottenham type player. Gets you off your seat. Something we desperately need at the new bowl

I wouldn’t open the curtains to watch Davies if he was in my back garden.

I pay a lot of money to watch Tottenham and unfortunately Davies bores the shit out of me. Nothing against the boy it’s just a fact. He’s a fucking boring player to watch!

 

[theShiznit]

Do you reckon this might be caused by the tactical decision to have wingers covering the space so although the newcastle wide man isnt attacking the space out currently that rose is wary of leaving so much space by coming centrally?

I think there were a number of factors. What that image doesn't show is that a split second before Toby inexplicably moves to his right, Sanchez reacts to that and moves with him and Jolinton pulls off of him the other way making the space look way more than it was less than a second earlier. (no other attacker are around just those you can see)

Also a hell of a lot of ball watching by a hell of a lot of players.

 

[jonnyp]

I think there were a number of factors. What that image doesn't show is that a split second before Toby inexplicably moves to his right, Sanchez reacts to that and moves with him and Jolinton pulls off of him the other way making the space look way more than it was less than a second earlier. (no other attacker are around just those you can see)

Also a hell of a lot of ball watching by a hell of a lot of players.

Simply atrocious by both Sanchez and Rose and it's happened more than once just this season.

 

[jondy1]

Danny Rose was my favourite player for years unfortunately since his injury he’s not been at the races since I won’t be sad to see him go in January but will remember him as one of our finest at his best

 

[LeParisien]

Do you reckon this might be caused by the tactical decision to have wingers covering the space so although the newcastle wide man isnt attacking the space out currently that rose is wary of leaving so much space by coming centrally?

Possibly.
Rose and Sanchez both make mistakes that would not be acceptable in the academy.

Sanchez’ body shape is all wrong. He needs to be able to see the ball and the man he is marking. It doesn’t matter which way he is moving, he needs to open up his body.

Rose’s first responsibility is to defend the goal. Always. In that position he needs to be 5-10m closer to Sanchez and ready to cover that ball. That would be true EVEN IF there were a player outside him he had to keep an eye on.

These are very basic mistakes of concentration from players at this level. Nothing @theShiznit says mitigates these mistakes. Sanchez is young so you can forgive him a little more. Rose is supposed to be at his peak.

Edit: I assume Toby is responding to a run on far left that KWP should have picked up but isn’t. Perhaps Toby is the only one that comes out with any credit ?

 

[buckley]

Its funny how stats are fine when it suits a persons agenda but crap when they do not suit.

 

[theShiznit]

Possibly.
Rose and Sanchez both make mistakes that would not be acceptable in the academy.

Sanchez’ body shape is all wrong. He needs to be able to see the ball and the man he is marking. It doesn’t matter which way he is moving, he needs to open up his body.

Rose’s first responsibility is to defend the goal. Always. In that position he needs to be 5-10m closer to Sanchez and ready to cover that ball. That would be true EVEN IF there were a player outside him he had to keep an eye on.

These are very basic mistakes of concentration from players at this level. Nothing @theShiznit says mitigates these mistakes. Sanchez is young so you can forgive him a little more. Rose is supposed to be at his peak.

The whole chain of mistakes started by the most experienced defender there.

Alderweireld. You can mark Sanchez' mistake down as 'doing the right thing' in moving across to cover Toby's inexplicable sudden move, and Rose sleeps for a second, Also Sissoko does nothing to stop the ball, despite being a few feet away.
So a lot of blame to go around in what was a perfectly timed clusterfuck.

Edit. As i said there were no runners outside KWP or Rose they were the two most forward Newcastle players on the pitch at that time.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Its funny how stats are fine when it suits a persons agenda but crap when they do not suit.

What could you possibly mean!!!

Not a fan of Davies - Stats are bollox...

Love Eriksen - Look at the stats, runs further than anyone else during a game...

 

[southlondonyiddo]

My last word on Rose for a while

'The game is about glory'

Who could ever forget that goal!

 

[BringBack_leGin]

@southlondonyiddo gets you off your seat? How low are your standards. Ginola, Bale, Berbatov, Klinsmann get you off your seat. Even Defoe and Keane on occasion. Rose? Not having it. We was for a time very capable, albeit he’s never been able to either cross or stop a cross, but his gumption and tenacity made up for it. Now it doesn’t.

As for a fullback to get you off your seat, none better for that than BAE.

As for you ‘game is about glory’ comment, does that mean you hold Bentley in equally high esteem? As his goal v Arsenal was at least as good, if not better.

Thought not.

 

[LeParisien]

The whole chain of mistakes started by the most experienced defender there.

Alderweireld. You can mark Sanchez' mistake down as 'doing the right thing' in moving across to cover Toby's inexplicable sudden move, and Rose sleeps for a second, Also Sissoko does nothing to stop the ball, despite being a few feet away.
So a lot of blame to go around in what was a perfectly timed clusterfuck.

Edit. As i said there were no runners outside KWP or Rose they were the two most forward Newcastle players on the pitch at that time.

I re-watched the goal because it’s hard to see from one still.

There was an advanced player out left who could have made the run that prompted Toby to move. But he didn’t make the run. So youre right that his movement was strange. Only thing that I can think is that you thought Almiron (?) would put it between him and KWP... but he should see there’s no threat.


l think you are kind on Rose who had completely switched off. He only switched on when the ball was played. He was in completely the wrong place. Very bad defending. So basic for a fullback.

I don’t think Sissoko did anything wrong. His body shape is good and he’s slowed the attacker down. He’s never going to take on Sissoko so he has to play the ball there. He has one option and the defence completely fails to do with it.

Sanchez doesn’t need to move across and cover that space even if Toby goes. He has to defend the goal first. And in any case he should move across with his body open to see the forward.

Joelinton puts his hand up cos he knows Sanchez can’t see him.

I’m not so happy with KWP but his bad body shape is of no consequence here.