Dele Alli at Everton

[Gassin's finest]

Hmm... games are passing him by unless he's up against an poor opponent... Another example of a player far too comfortable.

 

[double0]

I understand what you are saying however I personally don't see a position in this team for Dele. He may go on to get some of that hunger and a few goals back, however I would prefer Lo Celso, Lamela & Moura to him in the team at the minute as they will provide more goals, assists, flow of our game than Dele can.

Then in January or the Summer I do believe that he could quite easily be replaced. Bruno Fernandes to name just one but I think there are a lot of names that I could suggest we go for that would suit our style of play better than Dele currently.

Dele Alli is 23. It's up to Dele to show his truth self , things happened early and quick for him it was a world wind now people have worked him out a bit, he needs time to re set times on his hand i hope he can do it his come through the lower leagues so knows how to battle. Against Liverpool he played in a three in a different role to what we've been used to. Poch needs to manage him.

 

[double0]

Probably because he doesn’t offer much of anything else either. If he’s not a goal scorer from midfielder, what is he? He’s not creative, he doesn’t carry the ball through the middle very well, he doesn’t control the tempo, he isn’t a ball winner...

He does assist and presses well . Look it's up to Dele to get back. I believe he can turn things around and re invent himself but he has a hell of a battle on his hand the wave of opinion has changed.

Kane had it for a while and shoved it back down peoples throats (you still get people say we are a better team without him )

 

[Darth Vega]

I can't really criticise him for yesterday because we didn't have the ball. Dele is at his best when he's just behind Kane and playing him in - how many goals did that combination provide a couple of years ago... - or making late runs into the box. Yesterday was route one until 80 minutes. Both him and Eriksen didn't really have any of the ball to create anything, and the team didn't create chances beyond a punt up top that Kane or Son got on the end of.

Generally speaking however, he's been poor - partly down to injuries, partly down to his own attitude i'd imagine. It doesn't help with the team's recent form and all of the chopping and changing, but he's at a critical point where both he and the manager need to clearly define his position and giving him a run of games in whatever that role is.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

He is a number 10.

Also, he has lost that edge he had to his game that he had in the first two seasons here. Once again, not sure if it's perception or the media narrative that occurred during that period (that off the ball incident at West Brom etc) but that was part of his game.

Thought he looked more like the Deli of old on Tuesday and yet again, position change and it all goes to shit.

23 years old and people writing him off.

Shame.

So he should only play behind the striker? In a 4231 or 4411? Have to build the team around him basically then?

Didn't he play as the most attacking midfielder of a midfield 3 yesterday? I don't see how it was much of a position change for him but maybe I missed something

 

[ILS]

He is a number 10.

Also, he has lost that edge he had to his game that he had in the first two seasons here. Once again, not sure if it's perception or the media narrative that occurred during that period (that off the ball incident at West Brom etc) but that was part of his game.

Thought he looked more like the Deli of old on Tuesday and yet again, position change and it all goes to shit.

23 years old and people writing him off.

Shame.

On Tuesday he done sod all against a team that would struggle to get out of the championship. I have been pretty consistent in writing him off. Pretty much from the start and do you know who is too blame? Football pundits. Let's take the Chelsea game when he scored those two headers. We won that game because Wanyama bossed Kante and was clearly the man of the match. Who gets it? The player who done nothing apart from score. Then we played Villa at home and once again he scored early and done nothing else....and guess who got man of the match?? Then we have the Real Madrid home game and I will tell anyone who disagrees with me to go back and watch the match again. In the first 20 mins he gave the ball away atleast 6 times trying to stupid flicks. All of a sudden Winks pings a ball out to Trippier who puts it on a plate for him two yards out and he taps it in. He then carried on doing sod all and gets his second goal due to a deflection that had it not would of gone straight to the keeper. What happens after the match, I turn on the radio to find out that Lionel Messi had been playing in our number 20 shirt.

People will argue...well he scored goals...so does Kane but I don't remember him getting man of the match everytime he scores.

The way the media and fans on this board have hyped him up is a joke and now we are all seeing what he is. A limited football who had a knack of getting on the end of a cross and making late runs. Everything else in his game is average and don't even get me started on him ever using his left foot.

Rant over...

 

[The Opinionated Lurker]

Easily our most replaceable attacking player which is a shame

 

[Glenn&Chris]

I think he plays like he is very wary of his hamstring and it's a mental thing with him. Dele is a very very good player but is playing within himself currently, reckon he will come good.

 

[JimmyG2]

Like the boy.
injuries
and playing in a struggling team
and playing out of position
have blunted his game
and his confidence
but he has buckled down
and will return.
He is not responsible for the team's problems
but is a victim of them.

 

[double0]

So he should only play behind the striker? In a 4231 or 4411? Have to build the team around him basically then?

Didn't he play as the most attacking midfielder of a midfield 3 yesterday? I don't see how it was much of a position change for him but maybe I missed something

We barely had the ball against Liverpool we were forced to defend . I wouldn’t say we were dominant in midfield .Liverpool killed us on the flanks Dele pressed well but didn’t take the game by the scuff of the neck no one in our midfield did - I get people really don’t want to hear it . He got killed by the pundits and to me everyone else are just kicking him in.
I thought he played well against Red Star in CL.

Its up to Dele to try and turn things around ( if he doesn’t score his a dead man walking)

 

[DEFchenkOE]

We barely had the ball against Liverpool we were forced to defend . I wouldn’t say we were dominant in midfield .Liverpool killed us on the flanks Dele pressed well but didn’t take the game by the scuff of the neck no one in our midfield did - I get people really don’t want to hear it . He got killed by the pundits and to me everyone else are just kicking him in.
I thought he played well against Red Star in CL.

Its up to Dele to try and turn things around ( if he doesn’t score his a dead man walking)

Im not really bothered about what the pundits say tbh. I read/hear people saying he's out of position, not fit, not paying close enough to Kane, playing too deep etc etc All kinds of excuses for him.

For me if he's not in goalscoring form and scoring say 1 in 3 he needs to be on the bench as he offers so little in general play.

The form where he scored those 15 odd goals in a season while being quite unknown is long gone. People compare him to Muller but Muller kept his goal numbers high consistently. If he didn't I'm sure he wouldn't have been in Bayerns team as they can't afford to keep carrying a player that doesn't offer much apart from goals.... And they're not scoring goals.

If he's playing as a no10 and not scoring or assisting he at least needs to be getting on the ball and dictating the play. I don't see him doing anything at all.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

So he should only play behind the striker? In a 4231 or 4411? Have to build the team around him basically then?

Didn't he play as the most attacking midfielder of a midfield 3 yesterday? I don't see how it was much of a position change for him but maybe I missed something

Yeah, you waste his movement playing him deep and for those that watch the game he creates space for others while scoring goals. Watford is literally case in point. He ran all afternoon which is more than some are doing right now.

As far as being easily replaceable ... Yeah.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

On Tuesday he done sod all against a team that would struggle to get out of the championship. I have been pretty consistent in writing him off. Pretty much from the start and do you know who is too blame? Football pundits. Let's take the Chelsea game when he scored those two headers. We won that game because Wanyama bossed Kante and was clearly the man of the match. Who gets it? The player who done nothing apart from score. Then we played Villa at home and once again he scored early and done nothing else....and guess who got man of the match?? Then we have the Real Madrid home game and I will tell anyone who disagrees with me to go back and watch the match again. In the first 20 mins he gave the ball away atleast 6 times trying to stupid flicks. All of a sudden Winks pings a ball out to Trippier who puts it on a plate for him two yards out and he taps it in. He then carried on doing sod all and gets his second goal due to a deflection that had it not would of gone straight to the keeper. What happens after the match, I turn on the radio to find out that Lionel Messi had been playing in our number 20 shirt.

People will argue...well he scored goals...so does Kane but I don't remember him getting man of the match everytime he scores.

The way the media and fans on this board have hyped him up is a joke and now we are all seeing what he is. A limited football who had a knack of getting on the end of a cross and making late runs. Everything else in his game is average and don't even get me started on him ever using his left foot.

Rant over...

Yeah but what wins football matches?

You worry about all the other rubbish, the only thing people will see in a book or in some digital format somewhere is the score and bloke who put it in the back of the net.

Results based business, don't get caught up in the hype of anything else.

 

[spursfan77]

Yes Dele is awful at the moment, but so is the rest of the team.

Simply can't judge and write him off when the team have been pretty shocking for months. At least he's out there playing like he gives a fuck.

I didn’t think he was that bad yesterday. He’s just low on form and that was his third start in a week after not playing for ages. He needs the games though so I’d keep playing him.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Simply can't judge and write him off when the team have been pretty shocking for months.

Hello George, welcome to judgeandwriteeveryoneoffcommunity

You'll soon find your feet

 

[DEFchenkOE]

Yeah, you waste his movement playing him deep and for those that watch the game he creates space for others while scoring goals. Watford is literally case in point. He ran all afternoon which is more than some are doing right now.

As far as being easily replaceable ... Yeah.

So Poch is playing him wrongly then? Would you have him behind one striker or two? What would the midfield look like with Alli in the 10 position?

 

[coys200]

Honestly don’t think he’s all round game is much different than it always was. Only change is the goals have dried up. If he’d slide that Kane pass in everyone would have been oh Dele is back 2 goals in 2 games. He was never a great footballer just very effective. The vast majority of his goals were tap ins can probably count on one hand great goals he’s scored. The palace goal wolves Arsenal in league cup England debut. After that I’m struggling a bit.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

So Poch is playing him wrongly then? Would you have him behind one striker or two? What would the midfield look like with Alli in the 10 position?

What does it matter?

If he isn't up to it in your eyes then it matters not what I think and if I think Poch is playing him wrongly out of position or not.

His strengths are clear for me and playing him wide anywhere in the attacking third nullifies him, that's about as far as I care to go on a website talking about a player and a manager that I am never likely to influence.

 

[George94]

I didn’t think he was that bad yesterday. He’s just low on form and that was his third start in a week after not playing for ages. He needs the games though so I’d keep playing him.

I saw him getting back and working hard defensively, throwing himself into challenges and making vital blocks. He's trying and I can tell he cares.

Eriksen on the other hand...

 

[coys200]

Just watched all he’s goals from 16/17 bar the wolves goal every one was a strikers goal actually even a poacher more tap ins than Kane. He’s a 10 or second striker he’s not a midfielder.