Dele Alli at Everton

[swarvsta]

I never understand why they don’t just have a secret account for their friends set up under an alias. Would be much easier for them if they want one.

Or don’t have ‘friends’ who will take private messages and make them public.

Dele is stupid if he doesn’t lock down his contacts really strictly. In fact, I’m surprised his management company don’t get involved.

That being said, I am going to a party next month that he will be at, and I am going to ask for his number, ask him to follow me on Insta, and retweet my Spurs posts. After we have a few photos together, of course.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

I'm unclear on this. Some reported that he posted it to his followers.

If it's a private group, then I'd be appalled that the FA were involving itself in a private matter, but I'd like to find out for sure.

If it were indeed public, then I understand a 1 game ban would be consistent with a badly thought out standard.

Though I don't think Bernando Silva or Alli should be banned from playing football for being thoughtless or insensitive. A suspended sentence for a first offence would have been more appropriate for a first offence. I don't think anybody with any sense would argue that either player holds hateful discriminatory attitudes.

As ever there's far too much conflation and virtue signalling going on in these matters.

The FA should spend less time trying to signal their own virtue, and more time on a substantive vision for tackling racism in football, starting with themselves and the atrocious way they deal with the Eni Aluko affair who had her England career ended after blowing the whistle on a genuine racist and bully in Head Coach Mark Samson.

Eni Aluko: ‘We all have moments in life when our morals are called into question’

When the striker called out racism in the England camp, it ended her international career. She explains why the fight was worth it

www.theguardian.com

It's poor leadership consistent with a weak organisation in my view.

It became a public matter once the video was leaked.

When that happens the FA need to be seen to do something or essentially it shows they don't care about players being casually racist. The severity of the punishment is the real conversation here though - and he needs to be punished IMO. It's hard to put a measurement on it but the organisation will need to put a punishment in place that deters other players from thinking casual racism is okay.

 

[Paul Gascoigne]

Dele is a very talented footballer who scores goals at international level.
JM has to build a team and he has to be a major cog. Teams are made up of many different talents. We have to stop attacking players who are our future.
It has been proven that very few of the recent purchases have worked out so we need to develop our youth, buy well and realise that Dele and Kane are part of our future.

The fact that this has been greeted with 1 x tick, 1 x smile and 3 X disagree just shows what a pessimistic, miserable lot we are !!

It would be interesting to see how many teams would want to buy him if made available !!

 

[philll]

I never understand why they don’t just have a secret account for their friends set up under an alias. Would be much easier for them if they want one.

What difference would that make? It was a "friend" in his private group that took what he shared privately and sold it to a paper or whatever. If he had a secret account with the same people following him... it'd still be him in the video and that wankstain of a friend would still leak it. Like whoever filmed/leaked that video of him naked with his cock in that girl's mouth. He really needs to surround himself with better people.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Like whoever filmed/leaked that video of him naked with his cock in that girl's mouth. He really needs to surround himself with better people.

LOL I thought that was a 'deepfake'?

Seemed weird his friend would just sat there watching filming Dele.

 

[brendanb50]

With our lack of strikers Dele should be up top, through the middle and then dropping in to that 'false 9' role for others to play off of him.

A Firmino-esque role if you like.

I agree with this but ultimately i question his ability to do this effectively. This sort of positional play should absolutely be in his wheelhouse.

The question is - what is he lacking? His timing and movement i'd rate as decent. Close control, equally good. Is it his awareness/ability to bring others into the game? Do you just need more workrate to play that more unselfish position?

I get some of the criticism regarding his athleticism/power but i'm not sold on those. I still think there's room for players with ability and he's hardly lacking fitness. It's his application which i think shows as being lacking more at times than anything relating to his physique.

 

[McFlash]

Not when it's perceived as casual racism it isn't, they've made an example of him as he's a big name...if this is gonna go some way in acting as a deterrent to people making casually racist remarks then we should embrace it.

It's not all about Spurs you know...

Yeah but as I've said previously, I don't think he was being racist at all.
He made a poor joke, in bad taste, to his mates. One of his mates sold him out.
People are far to eager to play the racist card.

 

[Shadydan]

Yeah but as I've said previously, I don't think he was being racist at all.
He made a poor joke, in bad taste, to his mates. One of his mates sold him out.
People are far to eager to play the racist card.

Taking the piss out of another race is defined as racism, let's be real. What Dele did can be seen as casual racism, sorry but you don't get to write rules here or define what's offensive especially since I'm assuming you're not of Asian background or POC (apologies if I got that wrong) and thus it will not affect you in the slightest.

The point is we know Dele isn't a racist and he made a silly joke privately but it's now come out in public. Dele is a well know footballer, young role model, plays for a high profile club in a high profile league and represents England - the reason why he's been banned is because he's been made an example out of and they are putting in a deterrent for any footballer or anyone else for that matter who thinks casual racism or full on racism is okay, or people that just want to act like a complete dickhead, the message is just don't do it.

What's the point of shouting kick racism out of football if you're not gonna stand by it, that doesn't only mean taking a stand against those people in the stand making monkey gestures or doing Nazi signs, it needs to be carried out across the board, you can't have it both ways.

Also please stop with this 'playing the race card' because that's a really fucking stupid thing to say and I don't think you really know what it means AND it makes absolutely no sense in this context.

 

[spursfan77]

Regarding the length of ban, I think it will be over the top because of the lo celso incident and him not getting a ban. Remember back to the battle of the bridge game and Dembele’s ridiculously long 6 match ban. That was only that long because the ref lost control and didn’t send a couple of our players off for incidents during the game (Chelsea should of had a couple off too but that’s a separate issue). I’m convinced of that. So be prepared for it to be 3 games.

 

[McFlash]

Taking the piss out of another race is defined as racism, let's be real. What Dele did can be seen as casual racism, sorry but you don't get to write rules here or define what's offensive especially since I'm assuming you're not of Asian background or POC (apologies if I got that wrong) and thus it will not affect you in the slightest.

The point is we know Dele isn't a racist and he made a silly joke privately but it's now come out in public. Dele is a well know footballer, young role model, plays for a high profile club in a high profile league and represents England - the reason why he's been banned is because he's been made an example out of and they are putting in a deterrent for any footballer or anyone else for that matter who thinks casual racism or full on racism is okay, or people that just want to act like a complete dickhead, the message is just don't do it.

What's the point of shouting kick racism out of football if you're not gonna stand by it, that doesn't only mean taking a stand against those people in the stand making monkey gestures or doing Nazi signs, it needs to be carried out across the board, you can't have it both ways.

Also please stop with this 'playing the race card' because that's a really fucking stupid thing to say and I don't think you really know what it means AND it makes absolutely no sense in this context.

Fair enough, I just don't think he was being racist. He just made a private joke, in poor taste.
Far too much is being made of it, in my opinion.

 

[Danny1]

I like Dele as a player, however he does need to define what he wants out of his career. Look at Kane, who in my opinion is the perfect role model for any aspiring footballer. Head down, train hard, work hard & reap your rewards. Dele is a fantastically talented lad and I just hope that he isn't being influenced off the pitch and doing silly things.

Look at Ronaldo, he is at training before everyone else, and stays later than everyone else. Is T-Total, and has a private nutritionist who has tailored his food to suit his body shape & maximise his strengths. There is no reason that Dele could not do all of that & aspire to become what we all thought he would, which is a Lampard style attacking midfielder. He just has to want it.

 

[nailsy]

That referee Hadley,not sure if that's his name, did a joke video to his mate that found its way to the FA and his career was destroyed. His video wasn't racist either. Dele deserves to get punished and we move on.

I don't think that was the FA. Wasn't it the Referees Association or something like that? I agree with your point though, he's messed up and if the FA are serious about Kick it Out and all that it encompasses they'll give him a ban.

 

[JamieSpursCommunityUser]

Taking the piss out of another race is defined as racism, let's be real. What Dele did can be seen as casual racism, sorry but you don't get to write rules here or define what's offensive especially since I'm assuming you're not of Asian background or POC (apologies if I got that wrong) and thus it will not affect you in the slightest.

The point is we know Dele isn't a racist and he made a silly joke privately but it's now come out in public. Dele is a well know footballer, young role model, plays for a high profile club in a high profile league and represents England - the reason why he's been banned is because he's been made an example out of and they are putting in a deterrent for any footballer or anyone else for that matter who thinks casual racism or full on racism is okay, or people that just want to act like a complete dickhead, the message is just don't do it.

What's the point of shouting kick racism out of football if you're not gonna stand by it, that doesn't only mean taking a stand against those people in the stand making monkey gestures or doing Nazi signs, it needs to be carried out across the board, you can't have it both ways.

Also please stop with this 'playing the race card' because that's a really fucking stupid thing to say and I don't think you really know what it means AND it makes absolutely no sense in this context.

You don't have to be Asian or a POC to be a stakeholder in a just and racially integrated society.

The recipient of any perceived discrimination has every right to express how it was received, but not the right to define the intent.

This is where the PC movement dies on it's arse in my book.

It seeks to simplify the definition of anti-social discrimination and hate into goodies and baddies, but ends up conflating minor transgressions with honest to god hateful racism, whilst distracting our attention and energy from dealing with the problem.

I've no idea what was going through Alli's head. Whether he thought some person in an airport lounge was Chinese, his grasp on the severity of the Corona Virus in what was the second week of the outbreak, and his view on the Chinese or Asian race because of the origins of the disease. And nor does anybody else but him.

But the FA effectively branding Silva and Alli as racists for getting it wrong has done f*ck all to deal with these issues in football or society.

It just allows themselves any easy self pat on the back whilst throwing these guys under the bus.

Why not give them a suspended football sentence - since their error of judgement has nothing to do with any sporting offence - whilst enrolling them in a programme of educational and community service?

Why aren't they on the front foot, going around training ground educating players on what precisely the rules, definitions, and sanctions will be in these matters? Rather than making it up as they go along based on which way the wind blows on twitter.

I maintain that it's been poorly handled and shows weak leadership.

 

[yankspurs]

Tottenham's Alli hopes to avoid FA ban by claiming post was private

Dele Alli is hoping to avoid a ban from the Football Association for his video mocking the coronavirus outbreak because it was not shared on a public forum.

t.co

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[kmk]

9 years ago, Carlton Cole was fined by the F.A. for tweeting this during an England v Ghana match.

Immigration has surrounded the Wembley premises! I knew it was a trap!
The only way to get out safely is to wear an England jersey and paint your face w/ the St George's flag!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/13020733

He agreed to pay a fine to a children's charity.

Dele's post isn't any worse but I fear that he will get a harsher punishment.

 

[mil1lion]

Lets face it he'll be suspended for 9 games because it's Spurs

 

[whitesocks]

Reading about the 8 game Casilla ban, this could go very badly indeed for Dele.

This is all about how the game is presented abroad as the prem gets half its TV income there.
The product has to be spotless. The championship is held to the same standard.

Potentially what Dele did was far worse than Casilla.
He didn't make the video in the heat of the moment - he spent hours constructing it. A lot of thought went into it.
The absolute stupidity of the guy.

Plus AIA are projecting vitality and health - they want to sell life assurance to rich young Asians. They want to be linked with young fun athletes like Dele. But not if he is in any way thought to be mocking all asians as being sickly.
It a PR disaster.

So what is a suitable punishment? Well if he was a Chinese player, he'd be 6' underground now minus his organs.
But the Chinese are not unreasonable and appreciate there are cultural differences. If a state official is driving this and said we don't want to hear about him until next season - a 10 match ban, is that unreasonable? When hopefully the virus has died off a bit?

It all seemed so trivial, but Dele's whole future could pivot on how this turns out.

 

[Monkey boy]

Reading about the 8 game Casilla ban, this could go very badly indeed for Dele.

This is all about how the game is presented abroad as the prem gets half its TV income there.
The product has to be spotless. The championship is held to the same standard.

Potentially what Dele did was far worse than Casilla.
He didn't make the video in the heat of the moment - he spent hours constructing it. A lot of thought went into it.
The absolute stupidity of the guy.

Plus AIA are projecting vitality and health - they want to sell life assurance to rich young Asians. They want to be linked with young fun athletes like Dele. But not if he is in any way thought to be mocking all asians as being sickly.
It a PR disaster.

So what is a suitable punishment? Well if he was a Chinese player, he'd be 6' underground now minus his organs.
But the Chinese are not unreasonable and appreciate there are cultural differences. If a state official is driving this and said we don't want to hear about him until next season - a 10 match ban, is that unreasonable? When hopefully the virus has died off a bit?

It all seemed so trivial, but Dele's whole future could pivot on how this turns out.

who spent hours constructing a video?

 

[SugarRay]

He’s scoring tomorrow.

 

[Tottenhamboy85]

Reading about the 8 game Casilla ban, this could go very badly indeed for Dele.

This is all about how the game is presented abroad as the prem gets half its TV income there.
The product has to be spotless. The championship is held to the same standard.

Potentially what Dele did was far worse than Casilla.
He didn't make the video in the heat of the moment - he spent hours constructing it. A lot of thought went into it.
The absolute stupidity of the guy.

Plus AIA are projecting vitality and health - they want to sell life assurance to rich young Asians. They want to be linked with young fun athletes like Dele. But not if he is in any way thought to be mocking all asians as being sickly.
It a PR disaster.

So what is a suitable punishment? Well if he was a Chinese player, he'd be 6' underground now minus his organs.
But the Chinese are not unreasonable and appreciate there are cultural differences. If a state official is driving this and said we don't want to hear about him until next season - a 10 match ban, is that unreasonable? When hopefully the virus has died off a bit?

It all seemed so trivial, but Dele's whole future could pivot on how this turns out.

Now there’s been a lot a shiet written in this thread but this might be the worst