Dele Alli at Everton

[Yiddo21]

By here and there I take it you mean a howl every three games? As that’s how he averages out across a 5 year sample size.

I know you picked 5 years because it will include his great numbers in 2016/17. Last 3 years it's closer to one in 5. And that's in systems that are set up to allow him to play an almost free role as a number 10. Very few top teams play a number 10 nowadays, why should we give him that luxury when he's not delivering?

This is what i mean by people being in love with the player he was in 2017. That Dele has gone and so has the team and tactics that allowed him to post those numbers.

 

[SheffieldAndy]

I know you picked 5 years because it will include his great numbers in 2016/17. Last 3 years it's closer to one in 5. And that's in systems that are set up to allow him to play an almost free role as a number 10. Very few top teams play a number 10 nowadays, why should we give him that luxury when he's not delivering?

This is what i mean by people being in love with the player he was in 2017. That Dele has gone and so has the team and tactics that allowed him to post those numbers.

I know why you picked 3 years...

 

[Yiddo21]

I've no doubt Alli knows his form has dipped, he's said as much supposedly. I for one think he'll be working hard to rectify this.

Let's hope so.

But i can't see how he fits into Jose's team. He struggled as a striker badly when Kane and Son were out. Jose has said he can't play as a midfielder. He doesn't have the pace or dribbling skills to play wide.
IMO he can only play in a 433 as an AM where we already have GLC. Or he plays as a number 10 behind Kane, a position he has struggled to deliver in for the last 3 years.

It's a big season for him this one.

 

[Locotoro]

Na, it's not a lie. Clearly some of you think he's in great shape, i don't and i look at him on the pitch and see a player who doesn't have the speed or athleticism to play in a top team. Which is why he isn't in one.
Beckham, Ronaldo, Ginola all came up before Instagram and i suggest they were all better athletes than Dele will ever be. He isn't blessed with natural physical ability so he has to work harder.

Fans just love him for 2016/17 they seem to forget he's been garbage since then.

Any strength and conditioning coach worth their salt will tell you that physical appearance can be very deceptive as a measure of fitness and physical ability.

Good example is Mat Fraser, CrossFit champion and world's fittest man, 4 years in a row, is usually carrying an extra inch on his waist.

 

['O Zio]

His problems come from not being tough enough mentally or physically

This is a kid who grew up with an absent father and alcoholic mother and yet still managed to keep himself focussed enough to work his way through the youth a ademy at MK Dons. He's then broken into the first team at the age of 16 and established himself as a first team regular, demonstrating exceptional talent and imposing himself on games against full grown men in the notoriously physical lower divisions of English football.

He then got a move to one of the top teams in the most high profile league in the world and not only settled in quickly but managed to perform to such a high standard from the very beginning that he was considered one of the top young players anywhere in the world.

But no, you're right, he's got no mental or physical strength whatsoever.

 

[Yiddo21]

This is a kid who grew up with an absent father and alcoholic mother and yet still managed to keep himself focussed enough to work his way through the youth a ademy at MK Dons. He's then broken into the first team at the age of 16 and established himself as a first team regular, demonstrating exceptional talent and imposing himself on games against full grown men in the notoriously physical lower divisions of English football.

He then got a move to one of the top teams in the most high profile league in the world and not only settled in quickly but managed to perform to such a high standard from the very beginning that he was considered one of the top young players anywhere in the world.

But no, you're right, he's got no mental or physical strength whatsoever.

He's also been a millionaire since he was 18. Plenty have it FAR worse than he ever did. Look, i'm not saying he didn't do well to get where he is now , i'm saying he needs to quit making excuses about his body and all the stroppy hand-throwing and sulky looks on the bench. Then start delivering consistently on the pitch. I'm sure the manager agrees or he would be picking him every week...

 

[glacierSpurs]

He's also been a millionaire since he was 18. Plenty have it FAR worse than he ever did. Look, i'm not saying he didn't do well to get where he is now , i'm saying he needs to quit making excuses about his body and all the stroppy hand-throwing and sulky looks on the bench. Then start delivering consistently on the pitch. I'm sure the manager agrees or he would be picking him every week...

We are all talking about some traits and talents he uniquely has which some footballers don't, yet you consistently bashing him on something almost all footballers do. If you have not realised, I'm afraid your points of justifying how bad he is/has become are getting personal. ?

 

[tooey]

He's also been a millionaire since he was 18. Plenty have it FAR worse than he ever did. Look, i'm not saying he didn't do well to get where he is now , i'm saying he needs to quit making excuses about his body and all the stroppy hand-throwing and sulky looks on the bench. Then start delivering consistently on the pitch. I'm sure the manager agrees or he would be picking him every week...

He's a millionaire because he's dedicated his entire life up to this point on football. Plenty have had it worse, you're right, plenty have also had it a shit tonne better but haven't shown the work ethic or belief to make it to the top.

I don't rate Dele particularly highly but to question his mentality and his fitness is just mental. He's not the most naturally talented in terms of technique but he's certainly no clogger.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I know you picked 5 years because it will include his great numbers in 2016/17. Last 3 years it's closer to one in 5. And that's in systems that are set up to allow him to play an almost free role as a number 10. Very few top teams play a number 10 nowadays, why should we give him that luxury when he's not delivering?

This is what i mean by people being in love with the player he was in 2017. That Dele has gone and so has the team and tactics that allowed him to post those numbers.

I picked 5 because that’s his entire time at the club. Therefore it accounts for both his very best (16/17) and his very worst (18/19) and averages out.

If your standpoint is ‘well that takes into account too much history’, fine. In his latest season, which was mixed I think is fair to say, he averaged a goal or assist every other league match, and a goal every league 3 matches.

Which matches his goal output across his time with us, but is slightly lower than his average goal and assist output which is better than a goal involvement every other match.

 

[SheffieldAndy]

I picked 5 because that’s his entire time at the club. Therefore it accounts for both his very best (16/17) and his very worst (18/19) and averages out.

If your standpoint is ‘well that takes into account too much history’, fine. In his latest season, which was mixed I think is fair to say, he averaged a goal or assist every other league match, and a goal every league 3 matches.

Which matches his goal output across his time with us, but is slightly lower than his average goal and assist output which is better than a goal involvement every other match.

Goals and assists are all well and good, but I think we all only really care about one stat for his last season... What do his howl numbers look like?

 

[LDNYid]

Not a chance I’d let Dele go. The boys got bags of talent and his stats are ridiculous. He’s just lacking a bit in versatility but he’s still young and therefore there is a lot of scope for some good coaching and playing opportunities to address this.

 

[spurs9]

Well the manager seems to think like me which is why he never picked him at all once his other main players were fit. Could that be because he can see Dele for what he is, a luxury player without the strength, speed and athleticism needed at the highest level?

Dele started all but 3 games (of which we lost 2 and drew 1) he was available in the PL. The only other games he missed were due to injury or suspension.

 

[Yiddo21]

We are all talking about some traits and talents he uniquely has which some footballers don't, yet you consistently bashing him on something almost all footballers do. If you have not realised, I'm afraid your points of justifying how bad he is/has become are getting personal. ?

Nothing personal, i just haven't seen him develop his game in any real way and improve.I won't make excuses for that like a lot of people seem to. Hopefully he'll prove me and his doubters wrong next year but let's see.

 

[Yiddo21]

I picked 5 because that’s his entire time at the club. Therefore it accounts for both his very best (16/17) and his very worst (18/19) and averages out.

If your standpoint is ‘well that takes into account too much history’, fine. In his latest season, which was mixed I think is fair to say, he averaged a goal or assist every other league match, and a goal every league 3 matches.

Which matches his goal output across his time with us, but is slightly lower than his average goal and assist output which is better than a goal involvement every other match.

His goals and assists should be far better than that most of the time he's playing as a 10 or behind Harry in almost a free role. He has to hit his 2016/17 numbers, or get close to them, every season to allow him the luxury of playing that role.

He's shown no ability to adapt to other positions. On the wing he has no pace and can't dribble or beat a man. Up front as as striker he was abysmal. The manager has openly stated he's not a midfielder. So he can only play as a shadow striker or a number 10. A role that virtually no top team allows because it creates an offensive dependency on 1 player.

Unless he can develop his game to allow him to fit into a 433 as an AM, he's going to struggle to play next year. No way is Jose going to let him float about behind Harry in that free role and nor should he because Dele isn't the level of player you allow that luxury to.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I’m not going to continue down this path because it wasn’t even my original disagreement with you and I’ve openly stated, more than once, that I agree his numbers and performances have dipped these last two years so I’m not sure how that has become the debate. The initial point was that you asserted he is not in the right physical condition to play top level football and that you know teenagers in better nick, and I pointed out that this comment was idiotic. I stand by this.

Anyway, you’ve only recently joined the site and almost every post bar a few has been in this thread slagging off a guy who at the age of 24 is comfortably in our top 10 premier league scorers (7th) and is competing with Son (who is more of a forward who signed as a much more experienced player but at the same time) to finish the upcoming season in our top 5.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I think he played well in the friendly. A few very nice passes, great awareness, vision and decisiveness for goal number one, great composure and energy for goal number 2, and while I think he was nominally playing up front, he actually roamed everywhere and seemed to show for everything. If he can regularly play the same match against better opposition in a faster paced environment he’ll have a good season.

 

[dtxspurs]

Left out of the England squad

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Left out of the England squad

Good, the hungrier he is to hit previous heights the better it will be for us.

 

[dtxspurs]

Good, the hungrier he is to hit previous heights the better it will be for us.

I think last time he was left out was before the Chelsea game 2 years ago when he scored a brace so fingers crossed.

 

[Cochise]

Always comes back injured anyway