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wrd

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I’m in two minds with a few of our players, part of me thinks it’s time to unfortunately move a lot of them on as they seem to be struggling. The other half of me thinks it might be down to us having a train wreck of a pre-season and maybe a pre-season under Jose and they’ll be back to their physical best. Lucky we employ professional coaches to make those judgements I guess.
 

Trix

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Just rewatched the game. He was much better when Jan went off. He really is tailor made for that role where he drops into the back 3. I get the disappointment with him but I also get the need to persevere. He also did the positional side of the double pivot well. He was never a great manipulator of the ball but he does do his screening work still. It's the aggression that is missing and I hope he'll get that back as he gets a run in the team. I've always liked him as a person and footballer, hopefully he gets his mojo back.
It's not his mojo that's the issue, it's his complete lack of mobility. I'm happy to keep him around because he backs up a number of positions, but he should be nowhere near a first XI starting berth if we want to progress.
 

OPModric

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Copy/paste from another thread. I couldn't find this one originally.

Dier's finished. He's struggled so much since his operation, it appears to have done a bad number on his intestinal system and immune system, he's ill so much of the time now and never looks even remotely fit even when available.

As long as his body keeps playing games with him he should not be playing football. And if these issues never get fixed, then so be it. We had some great years with him and he should've been a decade long mainstay in the side but it just isn't to be.

This makes sense. He kept up with the pace of the game for about 20-25 minutes yesterday and was finished after that.
 

Goofster

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Something must have been wrong with our training in the past years. Looking at the start of this season so many of our players lost pace and looked outright slow. If it would have been just Dier and Vertonghen I would have agreed that we absolutley need to move them on but since all of them have looked slow and clunky I would wait and see if the different training approach from Mourinho can get them back being more agile.
 

Trees

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It's not his mojo that's the issue, it's his complete lack of mobility. I'm happy to keep him around because he backs up a number of positions, but he should be nowhere near a first XI starting berth if we want to progress.
Is it just a simple case of being found out ?
 

Johnny J

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Aug 18, 2012
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I wouldn't be surprised if Poch's ultra intense training regime has materially contributed to the absurd number of injuries and broken players we have.
 

kremlyn

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It's not his mojo that's the issue, it's his complete lack of mobility. I'm happy to keep him around because he backs up a number of positions, but he should be nowhere near a first XI starting berth if we want to progress.
I agree with the solution but I question the cause. Is Dier less mobile than he was when he was at his best? I don't think he was ever a mobile player but he read the game. He still does but the big difference is he used to take up good positions AND punish the opposing player with crunching tackles, barges etc. The oppo were genuinely scared of him in a very Roy Keane esque way. For me this isn't a physical issue, this is a mental one and just the sort of thing Jose can remedy. Let's keep him and see if we can make him angry again.
 

Nick-TopSpursMan

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He has definitely lost mobility, he can hardly move now.

I know he wasn't that agile to begin with but it's definitely far, far worse since he had those injury/illness issues.
 

BPR_U16

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Despite events of this weekend some of you still look to vilify when no just cause.

His performance wasnt great but after first ten mins or so thought settled in well and did ok.
 

Primativ

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He's terrible and has been for about two years now, how long do we persevere with a player who hasn't played well for over two years.
 

weststandyid

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I'm sure the injuries haven't helped, but he just looks too big. I'm sure he's not fat, but definitely bulked up a lot since we signed him.
 
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