Player Watch: Gareth Bale - Retires

[Stoof]

Ha gotcha I havent watched it yet

But I do think people act like we are plucky little spurs trying to play with the big boys and its just not true.

That's Sugar's Spurs from the 90s. The way we're set-up now is nothing like that. The doco is great - would really recommend it.

 

[knowlespurs]

Pay as you play deal

i am pretty sure he isnt coming from 600k per week at Madrid with 2 years left for a pay as you play deal

 

[RobjDerby]

I wonder how close we are..? It suddenly feels more realistic now, doesn’t it?

Yep, those new Flesh Lights are amazing aren't they?
(sorry)

 

[cider spurs]

And what’s wrong with us Chelmsford boys ?

I'll second this -- and ive only lived here a year!

C'mon lads you've not got the time. Booked in down the tanning booths at 3 p.m innit.

 

[thekneaf]

Would we typical if we actually do finally bring Bale back just as he finally tips over the edge into being slow and shit (see recent Wales performances).

That said, his talent is still unreal and he hasn't had regular game time in a year, so I'd be hopeful he could bring back some of the old magic once he got going.

I haven't seen him for Wales, but I'm sure Giggs will have noticed if that's the case and he if he needs to play regularly to get his form back for his beloved Wales, I'd be happy to oblige

 

[fletch82]

That's Sugar's Spurs from the 90s. The way we're set-up now is nothing like that. The doco is great - would really recommend it.

I like to binge so will start after Monday
Originally I was going to give it a miss as I thought of all the shit we have been through whilst they were filming but everyone keeps telling me its good so ima have a day of it Monday

 

[O'Brien]

I'd love to hear from the ITK poster last year with some very in depth and impressive information about any potential Bale transfer, can't remember the name but we were all pretty sure it was Donna Cullen posting...

That was "minesadouble".

Jul 24, 2019

Here is an update to my post in this Bale thread on 15th May 2019 (page 9, post #178).

Link

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/gareth-bale.136353/page-9#post-6341439

I wrote the following back then:

“So there is a stand-off between Madrid and Bale with Daniel Levy lurking in the wings. Netflix should produce the box set. High stakes poker and soap opera combined. Nobody, but nobody, is simply going to bale Madrid out (pun intended).”
I added at the end:

It’s all about a 3-way split of £600k per week; what pay cut would the player accept and then how much RM and the other (buying) club pay each. The question is will our chairman be prepared to shell out what’s left of Bale’s annual wages after RM and the player have reached a compromise?”

To clarify what I was saying back then, there’s no question of a transfer fee. Never has been. If I take a huge financial liability off your hands (£90 million or so over three years) I don’t pay you for the pleasure of helping you out. You pay me. To illustrate the point, simply as an example;

Gareth Bale, Real Madrid and Spurs agree to an equal 3-way split to try and resolve the situation. So Gareth accepts a compromise 1/3 cut in his salary to ‘only’ £60 million over 3 years. Real Madrid pays ½ of that £60 million and Spurs pay the other ½ of the £60 million (call that £200k per week and a free signing). Now, there are several ways this could be constructed but an equal 3-way split would be the net result. I’m not saying that’s what everybody would agree to. If the split was 10% from Bale, 40% from RM and 50% from Spurs, the figures would change but the basic principle would be the same.

We are now nearing the end game of this box-set saga.

To update, let’s boil it down to four possible scenarios:

1. Bale stays at RM on £30m p.a., sits on the bench and plays golf

2. Bale takes his young family to China and sees out his playing days there (or with the possible twist he later moves to Europe or USA)

3. Bale stays in mainland Europe, probably Bayern or PSG.

4. Bale returns to the PL, probably United or Spurs.

I suspect (with some evidence but no proof) that Bale’s agent and our chairman are “on the same page” if not exactly in cahoots. This is all playing out exactly as they both knew it would several months ago. RM’s position gets sillier and more desperate by the day. RM have finally come to terms with a (heavily) subsidized loan deal being the only way they can shift GB at some kind of acceptable cost. Which is exactly why Barnett knocked that idea on its head yesterday. A loan deal means GB would still ‘belong’ to RM. But he wants ‘out’. If that costs RM even more, why should Bale and Barnett make things easy? They hold, literally, all the legal cards in this game of poker, which is why RM are using every other nasty tactic they can think of.

1. Bale has to be “prepared to stay” at RM. That’s just his legal position and contractual right. To actually say otherwise he’d be shooting himself in the foot. But people and pundits who take the whole ‘play golf’ stance seriously need to get out more.

2. Bale has to be prepared to consider China. Legally, he’s fulfilling his obligation to Madrid to look at all the options.

3. Bale has to be prepared to consider Bayern and PSG. He’s probably giving them serious consideration. But does he want to uproot to another culture, another foreign language, and play in loads of one-sided matches? I don’t see either as his preferred destination. I’m not sure either club wants him or to help Madrid out.

4. Bale would, I’m sure, consider United. Who wouldn’t? But they’re not the attraction they once were and are they in for him? Manchester isn’t Germany or France but it isn’t London either.

IMO, Bale’s preference is London and Spurs. And that’s a shit-show for RM. Because they’d probably rather deal with Satan, or Boris Johnson, than Daniel Levy. They know this time they’re going to be handed their cojones on a plate. Eriksen and Ceballos were simply warm up discussions for the main event.

People forget it’s 2019 not 1979. A Club can’t just ‘sell’ a contracted player and force him to go to any club. Certainly not a high profile multi-millionaire. Bale has to say yes to the terms and, above all, the destination. RM will naturally want him to go the least costly way possible (to them). Gareth will naturally want to go to his favoured destination, regardless of the cost to RM.

Like I said two months ago, ‘high stakes poker and soap opera combined’. Now enter the hero, or villain, depending on your POV. Daniel’s passed the summer focused on Poch’s main targets knowing that this moment would come in time. His target. Why have we stalled on Llorente? Why did Poch say in his press conference he didn’t know about Llorente? Because he wanted to deflect the question. That squad slot is reserved, just in case. Right wing, left wing, reserve striker, combined. Home grown too.

Meanwhile, it’s unfair on GB because he has to keep his mouth shut throughout the saga while all kinds of shit are spouted by Madrid mouthpieces, English journo hacks, Talkshite pundits and angry keyboard warriors. He’s had his reputation trashed and motives slammed by all and sundry entitled to an ‘opinion’.

It was interesting to see his goal ‘celebration’ in RM’s friendly versus Arsenal. Madrid picked him purely for legal reasons (in the event of a future contractual dispute). I suspect he played for similar reasons as well as just to get some pitch time. He certainly didn’t get carried away that he scored.

Time will tell. Not long left now.

 

[jpascavitz]

I mean this was 2018/19 season which wasn't that long ago - with 19/20 being a shit show of a season for both him and the world with Covid. I watched the Wales matches and he showed some flashes but did look rusty, rightfully so. He still looks to have some good pace and obviously knows where the net is.

I'm not Mourinho, but the way we've been playing recently makes it seem like he'd fit in well with the side as he'd play a little more infield so that Doherty can be wide on the touchline. At the very least it'd be nice to see a crossing opportunity and see the likes of Kane, Bale, and Dele/Son crashing the box.

Last point, but I would imagine some would worry about Bergwijn and Lucas' squad places. I think Mourinho has done a great job saying it's a team and it's going to take the whole squad to get a trophy over the line. We have upwards of 60 matches this season and think Son/Bergwijn Kane/ST, and Bale/Lucas would all get plenty of time while being able to remain fresh and rotated. BUT, I know as a Spurs fan, in recent seasons it always felt like we were that ONE quality player away - so I can obviously see this getting close but failing.

 

[spids]

I'm not Mourinho, but the way we've been playing recently makes it seem like he'd fit in well with the side as he'd play a little more infield so that Doherty can be wide on the touchline.

Doherty seems to work better with a RW who stays wide (like Traore does at Wolves) so he can make diagonal runs from RB into the box. He is not a Tripper style wide crossing machine. If Moura is the RAM (as was the case last season) then keeping him away from the congested width of the penalty box is a good idea and would also leave space for Doherty to drive into

 

[joey55]

I'm not Mourinho, but the way we've been playing recently makes it seem like he'd fit in well with the side as he'd play a little more infield so that Doherty can be wide on the touchline. At the very least it'd be nice to see a crossing opportunity and see the likes of Kane, Bale, and Dele/Son crashing the box.

That's exactly what Mourinho would say if he was lurking around on here.

 

[DiVaio]

Doherty seems to work better with a RW who stays wide (like Traore does at Wolves)

I didn't watch a lot of Wolves but Doherty stats are better when Traore isn't playing.

I like the idea of swapping Lamela for Bale.

 

[SandroClegane]

Maybe this is the RM LB that Dragon1 is talking about, not Reguilon

 

[Inq]

Looks good to me

 

[Who’s our next manager?]

That was "minesadouble".

Jul 24, 2019

Here is an update to my post in this Bale thread on 15th May 2019 (page 9, post #178).

Link

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/gareth-bale.136353/page-9#post-6341439

I wrote the following back then:

“So there is a stand-off between Madrid and Bale with Daniel Levy lurking in the wings. Netflix should produce the box set. High stakes poker and soap opera combined. Nobody, but nobody, is simply going to bale Madrid out (pun intended).”
I added at the end:

It’s all about a 3-way split of £600k per week; what pay cut would the player accept and then how much RM and the other (buying) club pay each. The question is will our chairman be prepared to shell out what’s left of Bale’s annual wages after RM and the player have reached a compromise?”

To clarify what I was saying back then, there’s no question of a transfer fee. Never has been. If I take a huge financial liability off your hands (£90 million or so over three years) I don’t pay you for the pleasure of helping you out. You pay me. To illustrate the point, simply as an example;

Gareth Bale, Real Madrid and Spurs agree to an equal 3-way split to try and resolve the situation. So Gareth accepts a compromise 1/3 cut in his salary to ‘only’ £60 million over 3 years. Real Madrid pays ½ of that £60 million and Spurs pay the other ½ of the £60 million (call that £200k per week and a free signing). Now, there are several ways this could be constructed but an equal 3-way split would be the net result. I’m not saying that’s what everybody would agree to. If the split was 10% from Bale, 40% from RM and 50% from Spurs, the figures would change but the basic principle would be the same.

We are now nearing the end game of this box-set saga.

To update, let’s boil it down to four possible scenarios:

1. Bale stays at RM on £30m p.a., sits on the bench and plays golf

2. Bale takes his young family to China and sees out his playing days there (or with the possible twist he later moves to Europe or USA)

3. Bale stays in mainland Europe, probably Bayern or PSG.

4. Bale returns to the PL, probably United or Spurs.

I suspect (with some evidence but no proof) that Bale’s agent and our chairman are “on the same page” if not exactly in cahoots. This is all playing out exactly as they both knew it would several months ago. RM’s position gets sillier and more desperate by the day. RM have finally come to terms with a (heavily) subsidized loan deal being the only way they can shift GB at some kind of acceptable cost. Which is exactly why Barnett knocked that idea on its head yesterday. A loan deal means GB would still ‘belong’ to RM. But he wants ‘out’. If that costs RM even more, why should Bale and Barnett make things easy? They hold, literally, all the legal cards in this game of poker, which is why RM are using every other nasty tactic they can think of.

1. Bale has to be “prepared to stay” at RM. That’s just his legal position and contractual right. To actually say otherwise he’d be shooting himself in the foot. But people and pundits who take the whole ‘play golf’ stance seriously need to get out more.

2. Bale has to be prepared to consider China. Legally, he’s fulfilling his obligation to Madrid to look at all the options.

3. Bale has to be prepared to consider Bayern and PSG. He’s probably giving them serious consideration. But does he want to uproot to another culture, another foreign language, and play in loads of one-sided matches? I don’t see either as his preferred destination. I’m not sure either club wants him or to help Madrid out.

4. Bale would, I’m sure, consider United. Who wouldn’t? But they’re not the attraction they once were and are they in for him? Manchester isn’t Germany or France but it isn’t London either.

IMO, Bale’s preference is London and Spurs. And that’s a shit-show for RM. Because they’d probably rather deal with Satan, or Boris Johnson, than Daniel Levy. They know this time they’re going to be handed their cojones on a plate. Eriksen and Ceballos were simply warm up discussions for the main event.

People forget it’s 2019 not 1979. A Club can’t just ‘sell’ a contracted player and force him to go to any club. Certainly not a high profile multi-millionaire. Bale has to say yes to the terms and, above all, the destination. RM will naturally want him to go the least costly way possible (to them). Gareth will naturally want to go to his favoured destination, regardless of the cost to RM.

Like I said two months ago, ‘high stakes poker and soap opera combined’. Now enter the hero, or villain, depending on your POV. Daniel’s passed the summer focused on Poch’s main targets knowing that this moment would come in time. His target. Why have we stalled on Llorente? Why did Poch say in his press conference he didn’t know about Llorente? Because he wanted to deflect the question. That squad slot is reserved, just in case. Right wing, left wing, reserve striker, combined. Home grown too.

Meanwhile, it’s unfair on GB because he has to keep his mouth shut throughout the saga while all kinds of shit are spouted by Madrid mouthpieces, English journo hacks, Talkshite pundits and angry keyboard warriors. He’s had his reputation trashed and motives slammed by all and sundry entitled to an ‘opinion’.

It was interesting to see his goal ‘celebration’ in RM’s friendly versus Arsenal. Madrid picked him purely for legal reasons (in the event of a future contractual dispute). I suspect he played for similar reasons as well as just to get some pitch time. He certainly didn’t get carried away that he scored.

Time will tell. Not long left now.

Not 100% sure but haven’t the Chinese introduced a wage cap?

 

[JayB]

Not 100% sure but haven’t the Chinese introduced a wage cap?

Yes, subsequent to Madrid pulling the plug on the Bale deal last summer. They effectively closed the door permanently to what would have been a hugely lucrative move for him, which is a major part of what has caused all the friction in the time since.

 

[Paddy88]

Not 100% sure but haven’t the Chinese introduced a wage cap?

I think you’re right. Can’t see him going to China anyway. Whilst I doubt he will come back to us, I really see us as more viable than China.

 

[wrd]

That post was from last year, it even says the date in bold you fucks.

 

[King of Otters]

Looks good to me

Imagine doing that in a CL final. He should be treated like a fucking god at that club.

 

[Timbo Tottenham]

Imagine doing that in a CL final. He should be treated like a fucking god at that club.

I will never get tired of watching that goal.

 

[midoNdefoe]

We’ve had this for the past 3 years. Not getting sucked in this time.

IMO, if he does leave Madrid, only United are dumb enough to offer him 300k per week.

Would that be that dumb though?
Cheaper than Ozil...