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wirE

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He used to. But he doesn't right now if you watched his lastest came ons. And that's probably a reason why he's getting picked.

He turned the Olympiacos game around for us when coming on. Eriksen over Lo Celso anytime for me
 

SpartanSpur

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It's a results business, they're picking Eriksen because we're in a rut and Eriksen knows how to play with the rest of our players, look at his impact against Olympiakos the other night for example.

Jose even said this after Olympiakos, and said he likes Ndombele and GLC. I think everyone is getting ahead of themselves on this currently. I expect a few changes on Saturday after the shambles in midweek, we may well see Lo Celso play. Either way he'll get some decent game time in the next week either on Saturday or in the CL game.
 

mpickard2087

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What all Jose Mourinho teams have been able to do is transition quickly and attack the final third of the pitch. In four games worth of evidence (well, the first three mainly....) this is the main difference we have seen.

The worry I'd have for Lo Celso is that, from the bits and pieces I'd seen of him previously and now his cameos for Spurs, he's very much a to feet, intricate, and one footed player. I mooted that maybe against teams who park the bus we might see an extra playmaker in the Moura role, but if JM does want pace, running, and directness on either flank on all occasions, to take advantage of counters and transitions, and, though I repeat it's early days and the XI wont be settled upon yet, this seems to be the case given so far given when Moura was rested it was Sissoko who played there, then I am struggling to see where Lo Celso is going to play unfortunately.

From the style of play we have seen so far I don't see that he is direct enough for the wide player or even the No.10 role (though both Ozil and Sneijder had success under Mourinho, but in the PL it is different conditions), and I think if everyone was fit I suspect Lamela would probably understudy Alli as he gets into the box more and can attack space.

As for why Eriksen is playing instead of him, that's pretty obvious - a) the sub comes on in rescue situations, he knows his team mates more, b) Eriksen is more positionally/tactically flexible, and has a better range of passing and can transition play better, and c) Eriksen has come on usually into the right half space where he's more suited than Lo Celso, who I'd suspect would want to play towards the left side but that area is already heavily occupied by Alli (and Son).

Maybe he can play in central midfield, but is he someone JM envisages as part of a cm2?
 

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What all Jose Mourinho teams have been able to do is transition quickly and attack the final third of the pitch. In four games worth of evidence (well, the first three mainly....) this is the main difference we have seen.

The worry I'd have for Lo Celso is that, from the bits and pieces I'd seen of him previously and now his cameos for Spurs, he's very much a to feet, intricate, and one footed player. I mooted that maybe against teams who park the bus we might see an extra playmaker in the Moura role, but if JM does want pace, running, and directness on either flank on all occasions, to take advantage of counters and transitions, and, though I repeat it's early days and the XI wont be settled upon yet, this seems to be the case given so far given when Moura was rested it was Sissoko who played there, then I am struggling to see where Lo Celso is going to play unfortunately.

From the style of play we have seen so far I don't see that he is direct enough for the wide player or even the No.10 role (though both Ozil and Sneijder had success under Mourinho, but in the PL it is different conditions), and I think if everyone was fit I suspect Lamela would probably understudy Alli as he gets into the box more and can attack space.

As for why Eriksen is playing instead of him, that's pretty obvious - a) the sub comes on in rescue situations, he knows his team mates more, b) Eriksen is more positionally/tactically flexible, and has a better range of passing and can transition play better, and c) Eriksen has come on usually into the right half space where he's more suited than Lo Celso, who I'd suspect would want to play towards the left side but that area is already heavily occupied by Alli (and Son).

Maybe he can play in central midfield, but is he someone JM envisages as part of a cm2?

He doesn't need to be direct on the flank when Aurier is permanently up there. He can slot in to help the other CM, who has been left to cover the middle of the park alone because Sissoko has meandered off to right back because Aurier won't/can't defend.
 

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What all Jose Mourinho teams have been able to do is transition quickly and attack the final third of the pitch. In four games worth of evidence (well, the first three mainly....) this is the main difference we have seen.

The worry I'd have for Lo Celso is that, from the bits and pieces I'd seen of him previously and now his cameos for Spurs, he's very much a to feet, intricate, and one footed player. I mooted that maybe against teams who park the bus we might see an extra playmaker in the Moura role, but if JM does want pace, running, and directness on either flank on all occasions, to take advantage of counters and transitions, and, though I repeat it's early days and the XI wont be settled upon yet, this seems to be the case given so far given when Moura was rested it was Sissoko who played there, then I am struggling to see where Lo Celso is going to play unfortunately.

From the style of play we have seen so far I don't see that he is direct enough for the wide player or even the No.10 role (though both Ozil and Sneijder had success under Mourinho, but in the PL it is different conditions), and I think if everyone was fit I suspect Lamela would probably understudy Alli as he gets into the box more and can attack space.

As for why Eriksen is playing instead of him, that's pretty obvious - a) the sub comes on in rescue situations, he knows his team mates more, b) Eriksen is more positionally/tactically flexible, and has a better range of passing and can transition play better, and c) Eriksen has come on usually into the right half space where he's more suited than Lo Celso, who I'd suspect would want to play towards the left side but that area is already heavily occupied by Alli (and Son).

Maybe he can play in central midfield, but is he someone JM envisages as part of a cm2?


You are right we are overloaded in those forward positions
As a CM with Ndombele we would need a world class DM behind them
 

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Asked Jose Mourinho about Giovani Lo Celso: "Even under Mauricio, with another Argentine, and everything around him right it didn't click yet, he didn't explode straight away. We know the good player he is, we'll give him time and we know he'll be a very good player for us."
 

Colonel Dax

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Asked Jose Mourinho about Giovani Lo Celso: "Even under Mauricio, with another Argentine, and everything around him right it didn't click yet, he didn't explode straight away. We know the good player he is, we'll give him time and we know he'll be a very good player for us."

How many minutes has he actually played? Not many compared with some other players in the squad.

I'm not criticising Jose here by the way, but I don't think it's fair to say that Lo Celso hasn't impressed as he hasn't had a proper run of games.
 

Everlasting Seconds

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That's a really arrogant and ignorant view of La Liga, considering the low quality of so many Premier League teams this season.

Like with any league, there are some very good sides, some average sides and some poor sides in La Liga. It is a good standard of league though.

I guess Lo Celso's MotM performances against Real Madrid home and away and excellent performances against Barcelona don't count for much? Or are they no better than Championship level?
Here is the thing, I'm not debating his quality, neither in the past nor future. I don't doubt that. What I'm debating, that seems to pass you by in your little remote romance with Lo Celso, is this seemingly self-evident notion that he must start in the PL for Tottenham now, and not only that, but apparently he is the answer to our prayers on not only one but at least two or three positions, and a few posters are seriously debating his use on a further two positions. But what we know is that two highly rated managers have not used him, he has had one bang average appearance in the starting line up (understandable and excusable), and he is the latest signing. I suspect that the latter is reason enough for 95% of fans to assume the position that he MUST play and any manager who doesn't is stupid. But presently, he is closer to returning to Spain than to cement a starting position.
 
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WalkerboyUK

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I don’t think we will end up signing him permanently. Not his fault though. Poch wasn’t willing to play him until he fully settled.
 

Misfit

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Amazing to see North of £100m in highly touted CM talent twiddling their thumbs going into the fifth month of the season. Extraordinary.

I get introducing them slowly but this is extracting the urine and the coaching change will only delay things even further.
 

Joeyboey

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We instantly looked more fluid when he came on midweek and we generally do when he’s on the pitch.

We need to building the post Eriksen era and should be giving GLC minutes instead of the great Dane.
 

Nick-TopSpursMan

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Here is the thing, I'm not debating his quality, neither in the past nor future. I don't doubt that. What I'm debating, that seems to pass you by in your little remote romance with Lo Celso, is this seemingly self-evident notion that he must start in the PL for Tottenham now, and not only that, but apparently he is the answer to our prayers on not only one but at least two or three positions, and a few posters are seriously debating his use on a further two positions. But what we know is that two highly rated managers have not used him, he has had one bang average appearance in the starting line up (understandable and excusable), and he is the latest signing. I suspect that the latter is reason enough for 95% of fans to assume the position that he MUST play and any manager who doesn't is stupid. But presently, he is closer to returning to Spain than to cement a starting position.

Poch had started to use him, he had started to trust him by giving him two consecutive starts.

You say bang average, I say he was comfortably our best player against Sheffield Utd, a feeling shared by most around me at WHL that day. He was one of the few players to turn up and actually play well that day. He preceded that with an excellent display and goal away to Red Star, which will have given him confidence.

It's not a remote romance, I just know a good player when I see one and we have clear deficiencies in areas he can add something (ball retention, beating of the press, composure on the ball). I have more experience of what he can bring to the team because I've watched him many times and not just in 5-10 minute cameos for us like you probably have.

His ability to play well at inside right as a RAM, CAM or CM make him a viable player to come in to our team NOW in any of those areas, as we are struggling in both CM and RAM. If we were playing amazingly well, with superb balance in midfield, controlling games and winning comfortably, I would say fair enough. But we're not. We lack ball retention skills, we lack composure, we lack balance.

Lo Celso would bring more to the table than Lucas and Sissoko in particular atm. He would improve our attack and midfield by playing alongside Son and Alli in AM and he would prove a good option as a CM too. Of course that doesn't solve our other main issue, which is the lack of a proper DM, which will undoubtedly help every player in our squad to up their levels.
 

Everlasting Seconds

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Poch had started to use him, he had started to trust him by giving him two consecutive starts.

You say bang average, I say he was comfortably our best player against Sheffield Utd, a feeling shared by most around me at WHL that day. He was one of the few players to turn up and actually play well that day. He preceded that with an excellent display and goal away to Red Star, which will have given him confidence.

It's not a remote romance, I just know a good player when I see one and we have clear deficiencies in areas he can add something (ball retention, beating of the press, composure on the ball). I have more experience of what he can bring to the team because I've watched him many times and not just in 5-10 minute cameos for us like you probably have.

His ability to play well at inside right as a RAM, CAM or CM make him a viable player to come in to our team NOW in any of those areas, as we are struggling in both CM and RAM. If we were playing amazingly well, with superb balance in midfield, controlling games and winning comfortably, I would say fair enough. But we're not. We lack ball retention skills, we lack composure, we lack balance.

Lo Celso would bring more to the table than Lucas and Sissoko in particular atm. He would improve our attack and midfield by playing alongside Son and Alli in AM and he would prove a good option as a CM too. Of course that doesn't solve our other main issue, which is the lack of a proper DM, which will undoubtedly help every player in our squad to up their levels.
Fresh quotes from our head coach today: "Giovani is in Europe for a years, but France with PSG and then Spain, it’s a completely different football world that it is in England." But no of course, you saw him score for Betis so let's put him in CM or RAM or CAM or any other position that we have no idea if he can handle.
 
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