Player Watch Player Watch: Giovani Lo Celso

[Hoddle&Waddle]

I like a bit of fire but he needs to think about his teammates and manager. If hed have been sent of it could have been 3 or 4.

 

[S0S]

I like a bit of fire but he needs to think about his teammates and manager. If hed have been sent of it could have been 3 or 4.

You're correct, of course, but I don't think he intentionally stamped on the man, I think he was trying to drag the ball back and the Chelsea player slide in and in a split second his leg was now where the ball had been (or were Le Celso expected it to be)

In slow motion it looked really bad, in truth it was very bad, but it was accidental I believe

 

[TheBlueRooster]

You're correct, of course, but I don't think he intentionally stamped on the man, I think he was trying to drag the ball back and the Chelsea player slide in and in a split second his leg was now where the ball had been (or were Le Celso expected it to be)

In slow motion it looked really bad, in truth it was very bad, but it was accidental I believe

Can I ask if you believe that Maguire straightened his leg to stop a player landing on him or Wilders suit was the reason he lost to Fury?

If that challenge was against any of our players and VAR said no serious foul play we'd be screaming from the rooftops "Typical anti Spurs". We got away with one and should be thankful for that. Deliberate or accidental (which I hope it was) it was a poor challenge and worthy of a sending off.

 

[whitesocks]

So, do we think "Studs" Lo Celso could do a job as a defensive midfielder?
Of course currently, until 60 mins, all midfielders are defensive midfielders, but he has stood out:
He has the awareness and speed to track midfield runners. And he is competitive.

And like Dembele at his best, he can carry the ball to beat a press.
Unlike Dembele he knows when to pass and has good distribution.

Maybe it would be a waste of a creative player, but our most creative player has been alderweireld for over a year. Passing the role to GLC would move this hub 15yds up field, with the option of him running with it.

 

[Strikeb4ck]

So, do we think "Studs" Lo Celso could do a job as a defensive midfielder?
Of course currently, until 60 mins, all midfielders are defensive midfielders, but he has stood out:
He has the awareness and speed to track midfield runners. And he is competitive.

And like Dembele at his best, he can carry the ball to beat a press.
Unlike Dembele he knows when to pass and has good distribution.

Maybe it would be a waste of a creative player, but our most creative player has been alderweireld for over a year. Passing the role to GLC would move this hub 15yds up field, with the option of him running with it.

No. He is more an Ander Herrera, Lallana type of player. They can play deeper but defending isn't their game.

 

[BigVic]

He would be wasted @ DM in my opinion. His strengths lie in the attacking third for me.

 

[Japhet]

So, do we think "Studs" Lo Celso could do a job as a defensive midfielder?
Of course currently, until 60 mins, all midfielders are defensive midfielders, but he has stood out:
He has the awareness and speed to track midfield runners. And he is competitive.

And like Dembele at his best, he can carry the ball to beat a press.
Unlike Dembele he knows when to pass and has good distribution.

Maybe it would be a waste of a creative player, but our most creative player has been alderweireld for over a year. Passing the role to GLC would move this hub 15yds up field, with the option of him running with it.

He played there for a while for PSG before he went to Betis and by all accounts wasn't very happy in that role.

 

[spursfan77]

I thought he was poor defensively yesterday and left his side of central midfield/defence exposed for their players to run in to.

I Don’t think he’s up to playing that central midfield position in the premier league but we don’t have any option in there. It’s a better option than sissoko anyway but I think that central midfielder has to be the most important position we reinforce in during the summer. It’s actually desperate how badly we need one.

? at the disagrees. So many people couldn’t of watched the game!

 

[daryl hannah]

I thought he was poor defensively yesterday and left his side of central midfield/defence exposed for their players to run in to.

I Don’t think he’s up to playing that central midfield position in the premier league but we don’t have any option in there. It’s a better option than sissoko anyway but I think that central midfielder has to be the most important position we reinforce in during the summer. It’s actually desperate how badly we need one.

DM is the position we need to recruit for.

As a deep lying playmaker Lo Celso is looking worth his weight in gold - he'll have the odd match where he doesn't set the world alight but for the moment he's Spurs' best player.

When Ndombele gets up to speed, there's our CM.

We'll also have Sissoko back for the box to box stuff.

And Gedson - well, first season and all but looking like an option from the bench.

So I'd say we're pretty well stocked in centre midfield.

DM is where we need to focus. Winks is struggling. And Dier has gone off the boil.

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

I thought he was poor defensively yesterday and left his side of central midfield/defence exposed for their players to run in to.

I Don’t think he’s up to playing that central midfield position in the premier league but we don’t have any option in there. It’s a better option than sissoko anyway but I think that central midfielder has to be the most important position we reinforce in during the summer. It’s actually desperate how badly we need one.

What we need is a DM. Someone mobile, physical and capable of shielding the back 4 and actually providing our midfield with a platform to play.

Lo Celso should be in a 3 man midfield alongside a DM and another CM (Ndombele, Winks etc). This will release the shackles and allow him to get forward more to express himself.

Lo Celso is perfectly capable of playing centrally in the PL, he just can't be shackled in to such a defensive position in the midfield, it's not his game. He needs to be a number 8 in a midfield 3 or play number 10 in a 4-2-3-1.

 

[spursfan77]

What we need is a DM. Someone mobile, physical and capable of shielding the back 4 and actually providing our midfield with a platform to play.

Lo Celso should be in a 3 man midfield alongside a DM and another CM (Ndombele, Winks etc). This will release the shackles and allow him to get forward more to express himself.

Lo Celso is perfectly capable of playing centrally in the PL, he just can't be shackled in to such a defensive position in the midfield, it's not his game. He needs to be a number 8 in a midfield 3 or play number 10 in a 4-2-3-1.

That's why he let their midfielders run past him numerous times yesterday.

 

[JR1994]

He’s literally the only reason I’m holding any hope watching us at the moment.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Shines the light on the transfer business in the summer. He is still clearly an 8 and at times struggled yesterday, he also did a lot of work tracking back. Thing is, if he is an 8, what was the point in buying two of them?

 

[spursfan77]

Shines the light on the transfer business in the summer. He is still clearly an 8 and at times struggled yesterday, he also did a lot of work tracking back. Thing is, if he is an 8, what was the point in buying two of them?

Poch wanted to play the dreaded diamond!

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Poch wanted to play the dreaded diamond!

Lo Celso has looked awful when played wide. Still think last summer was rubbish window for what we have gotten as a return out of it.

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

That's why he let their midfielders run past him numerous times yesterday.

Because sometimes that happens? And also because as I said we have no defensive shield in midfield to sweep those moments up.

You'd probably notice it happen to players in Man City and Liverpool's teams except they have a Rodri/Fernandinho or Fabinho to sweep up in midfield...

Even Leicester have Ndidi to do that job. No coincidence he's missed 6 of their last 7 pl games and their form has dropped right off...

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

Shines the light on the transfer business in the summer. He is still clearly an 8 and at times struggled yesterday, he also did a lot of work tracking back. Thing is, if he is an 8, what was the point in buying two of them?

Because with both of them we can finally play a proper 4-3-3 formation with a DM behind Ndombele and Lo Celso, mirroring Liverpool and City's midfield shape. We just need a DM and our manager to realise this shape is the optimum one for our squad.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Because we could finally play a proper 4-3-3 formation with a DM behind Ndombele and Lo Celso, mirroring Liverpool and City's midfield shape.

Ah, well I can see a flaw with that - but I can see your point ... Although I thought it was diamond we were transitioning to? Hmmm, confusing times.

 

[Deleted member 29446]

He’s literally the only reason I’m holding any hope watching us at the moment.

Well don't get your hopes up as he has 0 goals and 0 assist in 18 PL games.

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

Ah, well I can see a flaw with that - but I can see your point ... Although I thought it was diamond we were transitioning to? Hmmm, confusing times.

In Poch's last few games we had started to move away from the diamond. I believe long term the plan was to transition to a 4-3-3 shape.

The last time we played the diamond formation was at home to Bayern.