Windwarden
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in fairness, we do the same with scousers
Harry Kane
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in fairness, we do the same with scousers
Gbspurs
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He got subbed yesterday as a hattrick goalscorer yet Abraham got a louder cheer when replacing him.
dirtyh
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did he say the same thing about rooney? 90% of rooney's goals were against dogshit opposition yet he's lauded due to the number. lineker's turned into a right troll unfortunately.
spursfan77
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The same fans who booed Gomez and were doing a Mexican Wave? ?
Colchester have got to be quite a bit worse than some of the international teams that we've thumped. The Czechs and Kosovians (demonym?) have a bunch of players from top leagues throughout Europe.
It's not my place to criticise the intra-supporter business so I won't. I do think some people really want to believe that the teams that Kane is ruining with England are vastly worse than any team that Spurs have faced this season though.
The simplest explanation for us mugging off every team for at least 4 goals - apart from a glitch against the Czechs - is that, right now, England is just a better, happier and more coherent team than Spurs (which shouldn't be a shocker given that we've got Spurs' best player alongside some of the best players from the league leaders).
I'm always paying a huge amount of attention to Kane in both of his teams and I have to subscribe to the view that he looks much happier playing for England at the moment. If we're being honest, why wouldn't he? He's got like 11 goals and 4 assists in 8 games. He's the leading scorer in Euro qualifying with a better GPM than Ronaldo -- and that selfish dick doesn't even have any assists! Kane's a candidate for the best player of any nation in the Euro 2020 campaign. All of which suggests that his sub-optimal performances for Spurs are not fully symptomatic of him individually.
I really hope Spurs get back to a point where Kane looks happy again and not like he's got the weight of the world on his shoulders. Of course, it might help if there wasn't so much weight on his shoulders. If I hadn't grown fond of Spurs and the supporters, I'd probably lean towards wanting Kane to move away, but, damnit, you've made me want to see him achieve his ambitions with you. Please improve.
DJS
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Urgh, one of my mates (a Liverpool fan,nuff said...) keeps saying this and I keep pointing out he’s wrong.
Kingellesar
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People will always find something to knock Kane for.
He only scores penalties, he only scores tap ins, he only scores against weak opposition, he only scores 1 a game, he only scores when the game is over as a contest, he's a one season wonder. Let them carry on, hes the best striker England have had in a long long time.
I hope he smashes the goalscoring record so much that no one matches it for a long long time.
He only scores penalties, he only scores tap ins, he only scores against weak opposition, he only scores 1 a game, he only scores when the game is over as a contest, he's a one season wonder. Let them carry on, hes the best striker England have had in a long long time.
I hope he smashes the goalscoring record so much that no one matches it for a long long time.
Danny1
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Those idiots who doubt Kane or talk about him being past it just need to read the Abraham interview. The way that Abraham talks about Kane is inspiring. Bare in mind Kane is only 4 years older than him, and Abraham says it’s always been a dream of his to play on the same pitch as Kane.
Add this to the way other players have spoken about him such as Sancho, Rose, Trippier etc etc, then you start to realise how influential this man is. He is a once in a generation type English player and at 26 years old, with the goal scoring record he has, and the respect he has from his fellow team mates is amazing.
For anyone who thinks we are better without him, well they are wrong and have zero understanding of football. Football is a simple game and the best way to play is to play to the strengths of your best players. Kane is by far and away our best player and we need to find a way to play to his strengths.
Add this to the way other players have spoken about him such as Sancho, Rose, Trippier etc etc, then you start to realise how influential this man is. He is a once in a generation type English player and at 26 years old, with the goal scoring record he has, and the respect he has from his fellow team mates is amazing.
For anyone who thinks we are better without him, well they are wrong and have zero understanding of football. Football is a simple game and the best way to play is to play to the strengths of your best players. Kane is by far and away our best player and we need to find a way to play to his strengths.
Thank you, mate. ❤This is marvellous. Well done
Same old Kane for me. He's best when gets the ball in the box (close to the goal), better in 1-on-1 vs defender
(1) England's transition to attack in much faster => you often get numerical advantage
(2) With Spurs he often has 2-3 defenders/DMs always surrounding him. Since any of Sterling, Rash, Sancho can single-handedly destroy 1-2-3 defenders, that heavily reduces pressure on Kane. Son often gets the ball too far from the box and Dele is a weak link now
(3) Because of (1) and (2), opposition's defenders are often tired and lose concentration which helps him a lot
(4) TAA and Chilwell are faster and far more aggressive in attack compared to our FBs => better service in the box and numerical advantage again
(5) Any of MFs of England can rush into the box and are very dangerous (like Ox) which again gives Kane extra space. Sissoko is too slow and is often toothless (poor shots, shit passes)
Also a lot of minor points. In 4231 for us Kane is often forced to win longballs from Jan or Toby (far from the box, many defenders surrounding which get him tired) etc etc
Good post. I think we all know that this exact squad is not going to be the one to win things going forward but there are some things that Poch could be doing tactically to get more out of Kane. For a long time now, Kane has been required - and to some extent compelled himself - to attempt too much: playing as both a 9 and 10, trying to both create the chances and score them. He has played both roles brilliantly for England, even against top opposition like Spain, but never at the same time and that's the big difference. You can get him to play most forward-thinking roles to a very high standard as long as you only ask for one at a time.
At the very least, Kane needs to be given a clearly defined role again, which doesn't involve him moving around the entire midfield and forward areas trying to compensate for other weaknesses. He's clearly overextended by the weaknesses in other players and the overall team, which you've eloquently listed. The key problem is that rather than contributing everywhere - which, realistically, no player can - he's making himself less effective everywhere.
The diamond formation is an easy target for the chopping block. Sissoko hates it enough to speak out publicly against it. The only player it actually benefits is Son who gets to play off the shoulder of the last defender, where he's rather effective with his pace. It's a net negative for everyone else in the current setup. And I'm not a big fan of diamond formations in general. England's experiments with them have always been equally horrible.
The biggest problem that arises from your diagnosis - and probably the most painful for anyone who cares about Spurs doing well - is that we really need new players. Quite apart from the motivation crisis among the want-aways, which is substantial in its own right, is that some of these players are just realistically a level below where we want Spurs to be. A top manager could - and Poch did for a while - get some of them redlining against the very peak of their natural ability, but so few of them are anything like world class now that they're not playing on that absolute edge.
Anyway, I don't want to insult any Spurs players so I don't want to be the guy to talk about necessary replacements, but I will say that I think the "we must rebuild" version of Poch is probably the more honest version. And that sucks.
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Thewobbler
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When everyone around you are young energetic players with pace and actually want to play it rubs off on him. That being said the opposition were horrific and couldn't defend a cross.
We need better quality players. 2 players who can actually cross a ball would help.
DJS
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Maybe with any luck Sessegnon will break into the team and provide those quality crosses Kane desires.
Not to derail too much but do wonder if we’d benefit from a new coach with new ideas who is also a bit more adaptable and perhaps concentrates on getting best out of players, rather than stubbornly sticking with same philosophy that perhaps has been found out a little.
Not to derail too much but do wonder if we’d benefit from a new coach with new ideas who is also a bit more adaptable and perhaps concentrates on getting best out of players, rather than stubbornly sticking with same philosophy that perhaps has been found out a little.
dudu
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Were Kanes performances vs Red Star really that different in terms of urgency and effort?
Gilzeanking
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Kane's performances seem to be blunted by Prem opposition tactics . Determined/organised defending etc seems to suck out his confidence/creativity....these looser CL and International defences suit him perfectly .
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Lineker’s hated us since Leicester won the league
Ronaldo scores another hat trick with a penalty included but no dissenting voices about weak opposition .
In his early years people would throw the fact that most of his goals are scored against weaker opposition and many of them are penalties.
Not any more tho its just accepted he is a great player . I am not for one minute suggesting that Kane is like Ronaldo but the arguments are similar. If Kane does not get any serious injuries then I suggest that in a few years his weight of goals will mean it would be almost a joke insisting that Kane is not world class .
What I am sure of is that if Kane was to move from spurs to some uber club and do the same things he is doing at spurs the doubters will be shouting from the rooftop how good he is .
I have seen it with Carrick / Berbatov / Bale / Sherringham / Modric / they move play the same as they had for spurs but suddenly the doubters when they played for spurs are proclaiming that these players have now overnight become world class.
When they played for spurs and our fans said "these players are world class " it was called nonsense.
When they move and play exactly like they did at spurs they become world class .
Their are none so blind as those who do not want to see.
In his early years people would throw the fact that most of his goals are scored against weaker opposition and many of them are penalties.
Not any more tho its just accepted he is a great player . I am not for one minute suggesting that Kane is like Ronaldo but the arguments are similar. If Kane does not get any serious injuries then I suggest that in a few years his weight of goals will mean it would be almost a joke insisting that Kane is not world class .
What I am sure of is that if Kane was to move from spurs to some uber club and do the same things he is doing at spurs the doubters will be shouting from the rooftop how good he is .
I have seen it with Carrick / Berbatov / Bale / Sherringham / Modric / they move play the same as they had for spurs but suddenly the doubters when they played for spurs are proclaiming that these players have now overnight become world class.
When they played for spurs and our fans said "these players are world class " it was called nonsense.
When they move and play exactly like they did at spurs they become world class .
Their are none so blind as those who do not want to see.
can't be bothered to find all the discussion from Matt Law but this sums it up:
Over a year ago - like him, let's wait until he has under 2 years in his contract...and as the author and many others predicted....now out of our pay/transder league
Tottenham monitor Leicester left-back Ben Chilwell with Ajax midfielder Frenkie de Jong also on radar
Tottenham Hotspur are keeping tabs on left-back Ben Chilwell, who was handed his first England senior call-up on Sunday, and are lining up a January bid for Ajax midfielder Frenkie de Jong.
www.telegraph.co.uk
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Sorry don’t understand how this made him gettable at all.can't be bothered to find all the discussion from Matt Law but this sums it up:
Over a year ago - like him, let's wait until he has under 2 years in his contract...and as the author and many others predicted....now out of our pay/transder league
Tottenham monitor Leicester left-back Ben Chilwell with Ajax midfielder Frenkie de Jong also on radar
Tottenham Hotspur are keeping tabs on left-back Ben Chilwell, who was handed his first England senior call-up on Sunday, and are lining up a January bid for Ajax midfielder Frenkie de Jong.
A young English player joined a wealthy Prem club. He performed well and got an England call up.
This makes him a very expensive signing. The article you quoted even stated Liverpool and Arsenal failed to get him.
If we want him we will have to pay huge. That goes for last winter window and now.
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