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Shadydan

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The Ben Chillwell boat never sails passed our shores, the moment to purchase him was when we had Rose in his prime even the season after he wasn't really doing much and we still had Davies who was decent back then and Chillwell still wasn't on anyone's radar.

It's only in the last two seasons he's looked good but you can't blame the club for not purchasing a player essentially when there was no window now Perreira on the other hand...
 

Everlasting Seconds

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So Kane has 30+ goals in 40+ internationals caps in his entire career, 9 out of which are scored in the last 5 matches only. Still some people refuse to see how that’s telling? Over 40 plus matches, it’s not the first time he has played weaker opposition like yesterday. But it is the first time his scoring machine has hit this level. Kane is at his best ever and is being wasted in the relegation battle.
 

isaac94

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Lineker’s such a creature. The day Leicester went top of the table he turned on the knobhead switch and spends his whole life picking fights on twitter now, so weird
So weird that he tries to point the opponents out as a excuse for overtaking Shearer, when Shearer played against Luxembourg, Malta and Moldova etc. And for true context Harry just over took him in 19 less matches
 

King of Otters

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A sad thought occurred to me watching Kane last night that when he inevitably breaks Rooney's goalscoring record, it'll probably be as an ex-Spurs player.

If, and when, that happens, I'll be pleased for the Spurs boy done good, but gutted that while Rooney won everything there was to win domestically when he was breaking goalscoring records for England, we managed to win fuck all with our once in a generation talent.
 

BringBack_leGin

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A sad thought occurred to me watching Kane last night that when he inevitably breaks Rooney's goalscoring record, it'll probably be as an ex-Spurs player.

If, and when, that happens, I'll be pleased for the Spurs boy done good, but gutted that while Rooney won everything there was to win domestically when he was breaking goalscoring records for England, we managed to win fuck all with our once in a generation talent.
Wouldn’t be so sure, I think Harry actually might see his guaranteed starting spot as main man at Spurs as just what he needs to break all records, and I feel like he’s made peace with lack of club success for the sake of personal accolades. I think if he was given the choice of breaking Shearer’s PL record or winning the league, he’d choose the former, and at least with us he knows he’s guaranteed first choice for at least another 5/6 years.
 

King of Otters

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Wouldn’t be so sure, I think Harry actually might see his guaranteed starting spot as main man at Spurs as just what he needs to break all records, and I feel like he’s made peace with lack of club success for the sake of personal accolades. I think if he was given the choice of breaking Shearer’s PL record or winning the league, he’d choose the former, and at least with us he knows he’s guaranteed first choice for at least another 5/6 years.

Whatever happens at Spurs this season we're facing another rebuild in the summer, and we've never looked so far off the top clubs in the league. He's an extremely driven pro, and I can't see him committing the remainder of his prime years to a team that can't compete for major honours.
 

SugarRay

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Did I genuinely read yesterday, somewhere in the press, a question being asked if Kane was even England’s best striker right now?
 

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Did I genuinely read yesterday, somewhere in the press, a question being asked if Kane was even England’s best striker right now?
I didn't see that, but some muppet called Dominic King from the Daily Mail called him out for "hiding" amidst the Sterling / Gomez story.
 

thisismyback

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Wouldn’t be so sure, I think Harry actually might see his guaranteed starting spot as main man at Spurs as just what he needs to break all records, and I feel like he’s made peace with lack of club success for the sake of personal accolades. I think if he was given the choice of breaking Shearer’s PL record or winning the league, he’d choose the former, and at least with us he knows he’s guaranteed first choice for at least another 5/6 years.

I've always thought the same, or at the very least stay in the PL, until I had a conversation with someone on the eve of the CL final at the team hotel. This person wasn't employed by the club but they were a guest and said HK was very open to a move to Spain.

I could see us selling him this summer to fund the rebuild. Sadly.
 

yiddopaul

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So weird that he tries to point the opponents out as a excuse for overtaking Shearer, when Shearer played against Luxembourg, Malta and Moldova etc. And for true context Harry just over took him in 19 less matches
How many did Lineker get for England? Maybe he's getting the excuses in for when Harry passes his record? Dunno, weird. As an ex Spur, you'd think he's be supportive.
 

skaz04nik

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The biggest problem that arises from your diagnosis - and probably the most painful for anyone who cares about Spurs doing well - is that we really need new players
Why painful?

In order to heavily improve we in fact need 2 players: 1 world class DM and 1 excellent FB. We won't challenge Liverpool or City but top6 is a realistic target

The rest could be sorted out in summer

If we don't have cash (despite offloading any of Rose, Wanyama, Dier, Aurier, KWP, Eriksen or Toby) we can sell Dele as well and switch to 433
 

DCSPUR

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Those idiots who doubt Kane or talk about him being past it just need to read the Abraham interview. The way that Abraham talks about Kane is inspiring. Bare in mind Kane is only 4 years older than him, and Abraham says it’s always been a dream of his to play on the same pitch as Kane.

Add this to the way other players have spoken about him such as Sancho, Rose, Trippier etc etc, then you start to realise how influential this man is. He is a once in a generation type English player and at 26 years old, with the goal scoring record he has, and the respect he has from his fellow team mates is amazing.

For anyone who thinks we are better without him, well they are wrong and have zero understanding of football. Football is a simple game and the best way to play is to play to the strengths of your best players. Kane is by far and away our best player and we need to find a way to play to his strengths.

agree.

it poses some v interesting questions as to how to get the best of of Kane going forward.
Just playing around with scenarios:
1. what about a 3 at the back including Sanchez and 2 wing backs (Sessegnon and KWP).
2. Allows Sessegnon and KWP to push forward and get in quality for Kane
3. Play 2 in midfield - one who could connect with the back 3 (Winks) and the other that can inter change with those ahead (NDombele)
4. Kane up front with Son (for speed and directness) and GLC for those clever passes and also ability to switch with NDombele.

Not perfect but something like this would play to Alli
 

Thewobbler

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Whatever happens at Spurs this season we're facing another rebuild in the summer, and we've never looked so far off the top clubs in the league. He's an extremely driven pro, and I can't see him committing the remainder of his prime years to a team that can't compete for major honours.

He won't stay here and just break the PL record. He is more driven than that. He can be number one striker for any club in this league. Even city as aguero has already said will leave at the end of his deal. I remember the days where we had a great team and all we were missing was a WC striker, now we have him we are lacking everywhere else. Frustrating.
 
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He won't stay here and just break the PL record. He is more driven than that. He can be number one striker for any club in this league. Even city as aguero has already said will leave at the end of his deal. I remember the days where we had a great team and all we were missing was a WC striker, now we have him we are lacking everywhere else. Frustrating.

It's pretty appalling that we've had a goalscorer of his quality and both haven't won anything, and also can't pull a league win together right now.
 

SugarRay

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Why painful?

In order to heavily improve we in fact need 2 players: 1 world class DM and 1 excellent FB. We won't challenge Liverpool or City but top6 is a realistic target

The rest could be sorted out in summer

If we don't have cash (despite offloading any of Rose, Wanyama, Dier, Aurier, KWP, Eriksen or Toby) we can sell Dele as well and switch to 433

Who would pay even a third of the asking price Levy would put on Dele’s head right now? The only clubs who would be able to pay for him wouldn’t find a place for him on their bench right now, let alone in the first team!
 

1966

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Kane's performances seem to be blunted by Prem opposition tactics . Determined/organised defending etc seems to suck out his confidence/creativity....these looser CL and International defences suit him perfectly .
Great individual performances can easily win you games by a wide margin when there's a big talent discrepancy between the teams. When the teams are more evenly matched, you really need the whole team working well to win on a consistent basis.

Of course, your great players will still produce moments of magic, but they're called moments of magic precisely because they don't happen all that often. Kane produced one in the first game of the season when he scored that peach of a winner[1]. Or there's that falling over shot where he had the presence of mind to hammer it down into the ground. There have been a few already in this apparently really bad season.

Just look at Messi with Argentina for a perfect example of how one man even in a nominally talented team can't make the difference consistently enough to drag them into the top tier. And that one man is Messi!

There's a clear analogy to Kane at Spurs and England that accounts for his performances against the various classes of opposition. Right now, unfortunately, Spurs is Argentina.

Anyway, you're right that PL defences are now attuned to and heavily focused on stifling Kane. I think he's talented and smart enough (let's be honest: pretty much all of his IQ points went into footballing intelligence) to carry on finding ways to beat them as he has before, but he needs a functional team around him to beat these hyper-organised PL defences.

[1] I thought that goal, whilst praised at the time, was very underrated. The idea, accuracy, timing and execution were all perfect. It looked beautiful as the ball curved ever so slightly round a defender, who Kane used as a sight shield, and back inside the post. Lovely. I just went and found the video and actually Carragher really appreciated it too:

But then the intelligence and/or technical skill involved in lots of Kane's finishes is vastly underrated, like his third against Montenegro the other day. The first touch from an unsighted deflection to kill the ball was top notch and then the awareness to swivel and put it into the far corner, which fooled the goalkeeper and allowed the defender who would've otherwise blocked it to run past the shot, was even better. According to some people - many of them Liverpool and Arsenal supporters, i.e. garbage humans - it was another tap-in[2]. I'm reliably informed that this clambering to discredit others' accomplishments is just what happens when you have a good player who scores against your rivals but I feel like Kane has other factors going against him in the prejudice stakes (e.g. that he really doesn't look like he should be a WC footballer).

[2] Sub-rant: I get that Kane does score a lot of actual tap-ins but tap-ins are a striker's staple diet. The best and highest-scoring players have all scored countless cross-goal toe punts and goalmouth scrambles: it's called poaching - or, breaking it down further, positioning, reactions and ability to read the game - and all the best goalscorers do it.

What's Kane supposed to do in the six-yard box anyway? Launch any nearby ball into Row Z and then flash the opposing fans a peace sign in a show of sportsmanlike solidarity? Seems like so many modern fans reinterpret "tap-in" - its definition and significance - to suit whatever preconceived notion they want to confirm at any given moment.

And don't even get me started on penalties. You see chances from open play that are far easier to finish than penalties every fucking weekend. Again, if you want to discount Kane, you probably want to find a way to discount penalties as legitimate goals rather than acknowledging that his talent from the spot is a rare gift.
 
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