Harry Kane

[king26]

Agree massively with this and until Alli is back and firing I would go with:

Dier Ndombele
Lo Celso Eriksen Son
Kane

And then once Alli is back I would change it to:

Dier Ndombele
Alli Lo Celso Son
Kane

We all know that Eriksen wants to leave so let’s get as much use out of him as poss!

agree

 

[ohtottenham!]

I think this thread is getting very carried away. I feel like he's come back leaner this year and his two goals against Villa were lethal.

He may have lost a bit of explosive physicality but he's always been a slow starter (see old august curse), he needs a good run of games to really hit form. If he can avoid injuries he'll bag 20+ easily, I'm sure of it.

He is going to go through quiet spells when we play these bus parkers but he will still be in the golden boot race I'm sure. We had a glimpse of what can come with the penalty shout vs Newcastle. Lovely little through ball from Lo Celso giving Kane the kind of goalscoring opportunity he'll thrive on (if not rugby tackled first!).

We need to be finding ways of maximising his chances, not thinking of leaving him out!

We all want the best for the team and Harry. It ain't a question of finding ways "of leaving him out". When you talk about "He may have lost a bit of explosive physicality"; think that's really understating things, and that was actually a huge part of his game, and that loss itself has so much to do with him being simply overplayed, both club and international, and suffering chronic injuries as a consequence of that wear and tear.

Getting the best out of our team and getting the best out of our best player may actually mean learning from past mistakes so we don't damage both the team or the player going forward. Just think we finally have sensible rotation options now because we have a fitter squad and we signed reinforcements.

Harry could bag a couple of great goals tomorrow; he's more than capable, but that still doesn't mean he needs to play every minute of every game going forward...we've seen where that leads.

 

[AnotherSpursFan]

Harry Kane, new bambi on ice
burned out, hes no better than Wanyama now

 

[dagraham]

Harry Kane, new bambi on ice
burned out, hes no better than Wanyama now

Slight overreaction there, but he definitely doesn’t look like the player of 2 years ago who was terrorising and bullying defenders.

He’s still got the quality, but physically something looks missing.

 

[theShiznit]

He's second to most balls now. something is badly off with him, he looks lifeless and everything he does (except pens) seems a struggle.

 

[TheVoiceofReason]

Harry Kane at the start of the game today was excellent. The problem is he’s constantly coming deep to make things happen, because our midfield is so weak it drags the forwards back. Kane uses far too much energy running about and is rarely in the incredible positions he used to be in.

This is his problem, because he really doesn’t need to do it, but it’s the kind of player he is, he wants to win and can see that the team behind him can’t do it on their own.

 

[mpickard2087]

Harry Kane at the start of the game today was excellent. The problem is he’s constantly coming deep to make things happen, because our midfield is so weak it drags the forwards back. Kane uses far too much energy running about and is rarely in the incredible positions he used to be in.

This is his problem, because he really doesn’t need to do it, but it’s the kind of player he is, he wants to win and can see that the team behind him can’t do it on their own.

The coming deeper (for us and England) is more to bring defenders with him and open up space for Son/Moura/Sterling at the World Cup over the top and in behind. There probably is an element of getting him on the ball a bit more and using his technical abilities to leather a ball sweetly, but I don't think that's the grand design of it.

 

[Danny1]

Harry Kane at the start of the game today was excellent. The problem is he’s constantly coming deep to make things happen, because our midfield is so weak it drags the forwards back. Kane uses far too much energy running about and is rarely in the incredible positions he used to be in.

This is his problem, because he really doesn’t need to do it, but it’s the kind of player he is, he wants to win and can see that the team behind him can’t do it on their own.

Winner winner for me! Until we have a midfield that can control a game he will feel the need to drop deeper constantly.

 

[JCRD]

He does look leggy doesnt he? The touch etc is still there especially his shooting. I dont care for the pressing from him and suspect that Poch told him not to press but the others were pressing somewhat... its when he gets the ball that things are just slow motion hmmmm

 

[theShiznit]

PL 100 cub Kane on Sky sports now.

 

[ikky]

I remember him being as strong as an ox and used to bully defenders but now it’s the other way round and defenders easily outmuscle him.

 

[SUIYHA]

Wonder what it'll take for Poch to substitute him. Is that considered a political or controversial move in a game?

He wasn't in the game. I don't think he was playing THAT badly (had been unlucky not to score a second with that shot that hit the post) but tactically he wasn't offering enough. Both teams were starting to tire, the game was opening up, if we were serious about going for the win we should have taken him off, brought on Lucas's pace and had him attack the space that was available.

Pep will substitute Aguero
Klopp will substitute Salah and Mane
Emery will substitute Lacazette

But Poch would never substitute Kane unless he's injured or trying to save him for another game in a couple of days. Even if he's clearly not in the game and there is a suitable alternative on the bench (like there was today).

It's a serious question that must be asked - does Harry Kane have too much power at Spurs?

 

[Hakkz]

Long shot goals have dried up as well.

 

[topper]

Wonder what it'll take for Poch to substitute him. Is that considered a political or controversial move in a game?

He wasn't in the game. I don't think he was playing THAT badly (had been unlucky not to score a second with that shot that hit the post) but tactically he wasn't offering enough. Both teams were starting to tire, the game was opening up, if we were serious about going for the win we should have taken him off, brought on Lucas's pace and had him attack the space that was available.

Pep will substitute Aguero
Klopp will substitute Salah and Mane
Emery will substitute Lacazette

But Poch would never substitute Kane unless he's injured or trying to save him for another game in a couple of days. Even if he's clearly not in the game and there is a suitable alternative on the bench (like there was today).

It's a serious question that must be asked - does Harry Kane have too much power at Spurs?

To be fair one of the reasons he stayed on, I expect, is his aerial prowess in our penalty areas agains their (many) set pieces.

 

[Sophos151]

Long shot goals have dried up as well.

Scored one against Aston Villa from just outside the box. Tested Leno from distance today.

Long shots are never a reliable source of goals, but I don’t think Kane’s gotten worse at them.

 

[rossdapep]

Set up a "We need to talk about Kane" thread.

That should fix it

 

[@Bobby__Lucky]

Wonder what it'll take for Poch to substitute him. Is that considered a political or controversial move in a game?

He wasn't in the game. I don't think he was playing THAT badly (had been unlucky not to score a second with that shot that hit the post) but tactically he wasn't offering enough. Both teams were starting to tire, the game was opening up, if we were serious about going for the win we should have taken him off, brought on Lucas's pace and had him attack the space that was available.

Pep will substitute Aguero
Klopp will substitute Salah and Mane
Emery will substitute Lacazette

But Poch would never substitute Kane unless he's injured or trying to save him for another game in a couple of days. Even if he's clearly not in the game and there is a suitable alternative on the bench (like there was today).

It's a serious question that must be asked - does Harry Kane have too much power at Spurs?

Think it's a good question. He was an outstanding talisman. However I can see why poch will keep playing him to play him back into form as such.

The thing is previously it was relatively normal for him to get a goal out of nothing. He was Bale esque at times. I remember defending janssen when he played early in the season due to kanes injury, in that we created nothing. He looked lost but he had literally no service. But when kane returned he seemed to score goals.

Begs me to think how many good chances we actually create. Today we looked better transitioning quicker, counter attacking purposefully. Some nice triangles close passing and quicker passing. Sometimes I think we play better this way, the Liverpool game probably being the pinnacle of this style when we beat them was it 4.1?

Anyway tactically how do we get the best out of kane of he is to be that oerminant fixture. Personally I'd drop him here and there just to get his hunger up. He's England's golden boy, probably a bit undeservingly. His start to his England career was great. Though he stank a bit at the world Cup.

Do we even play to his strengths in creating. We hardly seem to play any through balls, who was a kane specialty, does he have the pace and strength to still do this, with a long run? I did notice more movement from kane when alli came on. Maybe its the team that's the problem.

Who knows, Harry may surprise us and get back to that talisman stature. That shot today with the outside of the boot with the ball running away from goal was simply gorgeous though. Couple millimetres more bend and that's a banger of a goal. That was absolute quality. The pen was quality. His header for the goal build up was quality. He still has quality. I'd just love to know what's wrong.

 

[Cornpattbuck]

His shot that hit the post today was only millimetres away from being another outstanding goal. Lovely movement and strike.

 

[dtxspurs]

Did I miss him going to Italy to learn how to flop? My god its annoying watching him falling all over the pitch looking for fouls. On his PK dive at the end I believe it was Lo Celso was running wide open if he had just squared it across the goal.

 

[yusrisafri]

I believe team morale and togetherness is being affected by the Kane factor. The fact that he is undroppable and has special treatment at the club makes things worse, especially when he's playing poorly, and when its obvious that having Son and Lucas up top is a much better option.

This is what will bring the club to mediocrity, the morale-deflater due to the special treatment given to one player who isnt Superman.

And i believe the morale downfall started during the UCL final team selection.