Harry Winks - Leicester City

[C0YS]

2 thru balls, 2. In a full match which was only 1 match several others with zero. He’s not a true DM so his job his to connect the defense and attack. I’m watching carefully. Agree to disagree.

I like the kid and really like him as a squad player he’s not good enough for the first XI for a team contending for the top 4

He's not a DM. But that is absolutely where he has been playing for almost two seasons right now.

 

[C0YS]

Keeping Sissoko this summer would be one of the poorest transfer decisions we could ever make.

As you say, 31 soon, not good enough to start with loads of midfield numbers in the squad already. If we can get up to £20m for him, it makes a lot of sense to get him moved on. Imagine what we could do with an extra £20m to spend on incomings.

He's only going to get worse from this point on and now he's under contract until 2023 if we don't sell him now he'll be here until his contract expires most likely.

He's on a long term contract and is a useful squad player minimum and we won't find better with the money we are likely to get for him. I would be shocked if we sold him. Would take a good offer.

 

[tobi]

He needs to be more aggressive with his passing, occasionally opportunities will present themselves but he'll opt to play it safe instead.

Its especially annoying when you can tell that he's seen his teammate make a good run but he hesitates and plays it short instead.

Hopefully a DM will empower him to take more risks.

 

[dtxspurs]

He needs to be more aggressive with his passing, occasionally opportunities will present themselves but he'll opt to play it safe instead.

Its especially annoying when you can tell that he's seen his teammate make a good run but he hesitates and plays it short instead.

Hopefully a DM will empower him to take more risks.

Seemingly impossible statistic: Winks and Skipp have the same number of assists for the first team. Winks two assists come from a quick played set piece in 16/17 and a cross deflection that Aurier scores from 35 yards out.

 

[DiVaio]

Seemingly impossible statistic: Winks and Skipp have the same number of assists for the first team. Winks two assists come from a quick played set piece in 16/17 and a cross deflection that Aurier scores from 35 yards out.

If you are saying something about quality of Winks assist you really should say that Skipp's assists are against League Two team in FA Cup and one of these was pass in our half to Son who just run.

 

[WiganSpur]

He's on a long term contract and is a useful squad player minimum and we won't find better with the money we are likely to get for him. I would be shocked if we sold him. Would take a good offer.

How many useful squad players would we need? If Hojbjerg comes in, that's him, Winks, Skipp, Gedson Fernandes, GLC, Ndombele and Harvey White able to easily play in central midfield, and Dele could also play the 8 role.

He isn't good enough to start above all that lot, so what's the point of having such a depreciating asset on the bench, especially when we need all the transfer funds we can get? We should take any reasonable offer that meets his current value. As much as he's a decent bloke, you can't keep players on sentiment alone and we're really not going to miss what he offers on the pitch.

 

[chrissivad]

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How many useful squad players would we need? If Hojbjerg comes in, that's him, Winks, Skipp, Gedson Fernandes, GLC, Ndombele and Harvey White able to easily play in central midfield, and Dele could also play the 8 role.

He isn't good enough to start above all that lot, so what's the point of having such a depreciating asset on the bench, especially when we need all the transfer funds we can get? We should take any reasonable offer that meets his current value. As much as he's a decent bloke, you can't keep players on sentiment alone and we're really not going to miss what he offers on the pitch.
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Big question mark over Ndombele.
Skipp has been linked with loans away
Gedson doesn't even make every bench.
White doesn't make many squads

 

[glacierSpurs]

Unbelievable there can still be discussions on Winks AND Sissoko for our midfield if PEH is joining while Dele is being dismissed by some. Winks and Sissoko are squad players at best if we are to challenge for anything next season - they won't win us anything being in the starting XI.

They have no place at all in a midfield 3, at most just one in a flat midfield 4. GLC and PEH, if he joins, are guarantee starters, and we still have Bergwijn, Lamela, Dele, possibly Ndombele + Gedson and even Lucas/Son for the remaining 1-2 spots if a backup forward is signed. And yet we are concerned about Winks and Sissoko...These two are truly the ones no clubs in the top-6 will want. Truly dispensable and limited.

 

[Insomnia]

If we get a proper DM in this summer then Winks is going to suprise a hell of a lot of the doubters in here

 

[joey55]

Definition for those 2 stats used in that graph, so not really:

Total distance, in yards, that completed passes have traveled towards the opponent's goal. Note: Passes away from opponent's goal are counted as zero progressive yards.

Completed passes that move the ball towards the opponent's goal at least 10 yards from its furthest point in the last six passes, or completed passes into the penalty area. Excludes passes from the defending 40% of the pitch

Saying that he does little in terms of breaking the lines is not true also.

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I'm not entirely sure what these state represent, but would the CM's usually be at the top of most clubs rankings? If so, doesn't it mean nothing when comparing our CM's to the rest of the squad? Shouldn't we be comparing the "line breaks" of our CM's with the CM's of other clubs? So many stats have a position bias.

 

[DJS]

As I’ve posted before, before writing off Winks I would really like to see us playing a proper 4-3-3 with a specialist defensive midfielder alongside Winks and another box to box midfielder (Lo Celso or Ndombele) before making statements such as he’s championship at best or squad player.

He isn’t being utilised properly at the moment, dare I say it like Jenas wasn’t a lot of his time here (oh yes I went there!) who again most of the time had a naff limited defensive midfielder alongside him but then was excellent alongside Palacios before sadly being injured and allowing Huddlestone a chance to claim the spot.

 

[Spartanspurs]

As I’ve posted before, before writing off Winks I would really like to see us playing a proper 4-3-3 with a specialist defensive midfielder alongside Winks and another box to box midfielder (Lo Celso or Ndombele) before making statements such as he’s championship at best or squad player.

He isn’t being utilised properly at the moment, dare I say it like Jenas wasn’t a lot of his time here (oh yes I went there!) who again most of the time had a naff limited defensive midfielder alongside him but then was excellent alongside Palacios before sadly being injured and allowing Huddlestone a chance to claim the spot.

Completely agree. Winks is a number 8 who's spent the last 2 years being hampered by Sissoko's lack of technical ability and having to shoulder too much of the defensive work himself. I definitely think he has a shot of working his way into the first 11, if the right players are around him.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

I like Winks I think he is a tidy player - I do think we have lacked a so called defensive midfielder though with Mourinho I have to say I am confused at exactly why we need one . When you have two full backs bombing forward you leave a dm sitting between the centre backs and it gives the defence about solidity.

Under Mourinho I don't think the full backs are going to be bombing forward and the midfield as a whole drops deep to form in old money two banks, so for me it kind of negates the dm role - what you really need is combative ball winner who can in modern terms recycle the ball. Winks isn't that type of player he is a ball keeper but not the greatest at winning it back in fact I am not sure that any of our current midfield really fit that at the moment

 

[cliff jones]

If you are saying something about quality of Winks assist you really should say that Skipp's assists are against League Two team in FA Cup and one of these was pass in our half to Son who just run.

while you’re there, can you confirm the number of games it’s taken them respectively to reach this milestone

Cheers

 

[Hazelton]

Winks is a brilliant squad player, particularly when we're winning a close game and we need to keep the ball. Similarly, Sissoko is a great option to come on and help close out a game with forward bursts and tracking back. I'm sure both will play an important role in any success we have next season, but neither should be starting regularly for a team with our aspirations.

 

[Montalbano]

I think that playing alongside Sissoko has significantly hampered Winks' abilities. Winks is a player that excels at piecing play together and distributing the ball around the pitch. But it has been difficult for him to do this when he is playing alongside a midfielder that consistently hides from the ball and is unable to receive or redistribute the ball when under pressure.

With Sissoko on the pitch we are so predictable in our buildup because the opposition is well aware of Sissoko's technical limitations and overload / man mark our other players. That's why nearly all of our great attacking sequences since the restart have come as a result of counter attacks where Sissoko and the rest of our players had space to run into.

Sissoko's a hard worker, but the quicker we can get him out of the starting lineup, the better it will be for Winks and likely every other player in the squad.

 

[Joely]

Not convinced Mourinho will turn to him so much next season. Think he'll be happy enough to have him as part of the squad and use him as an option off the bench and in the early part of the Europa but don't think Winks will be happy with that. Hojbjerg and GLC will take two of the midfield positions.

I think a lot depends on what happens with Ndombele. If we do move him on for a decent fee for, can see Mourinho wanting to reinvest the money in a midfielder he wants and if that happens, think Winks really struggles to make Mourinho's first eleven.

 

[DaleMurphy]

You don't trust stats where it is clearly written winks has made more successful line breaking pass and attempted to do it more often other than Ndombele but you trust your eyes and don't see it when you watch the game. I think you should not trust your eyes that often ...

Other than the

Seemingly impossible statistic: Winks and Skipp have the same number of assists for the first team. Winks two assists come from a quick played set piece in 16/17 and a cross deflection that Aurier scores from 35 yards out.

Just gonna ignore statistics huh? Even if u know they are bullshit? how dare you

still laughing at the progressive passing stat that counts one yd forward and 20 yds sideways

 

[DaleMurphy]

Tidy player doesn’t make a whole lot of mistakes but takes hardly any forward thinking risks

he may prove me wrong next to a real DM but I doubt it think he can be improved upon in the starting XI. Very useful squad player though

 

[emiley heskey]

Other than the


Just gonna ignore statistics huh? Even if u know they are bullshit? how dare you

still laughing at the progressive passing stat that counts one yd forward and 20 yds sideways

That's why i said you should not trust your eyes ...