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I wish we'd try him further up the pitch, its so detrimental to both him and the team putting him in front of the back 4 like that.
He just did. Versus Liverpool. At Anfield. Bar lamela everyone was available.
That kind of sums things up right now.
I wish we'd try him further up the pitch, its so detrimental to both him and the team putting him in front of the back 4 like that.
But what would he offer further up the pitch? He can't pick a meaningful forward pass as he hasn't got the vision or ability, he doesn't score goals as again he has not got the ability. So what is he? He keeps the ball moving and keeps possession, handy to have on the bench if we re 1 or 2 up with 20 mins to go or something and we need someone to help keep the ball but that is about it. No way should be starting for us.
Harry Winks - Leicester City
I understand he isn’t a pure DM, I’m saying we need a pure DM. Someone who is more solid defensively. I’m not moving the goalposts, I have said previously he isn’t an effective screen, not just post Arsenal. I’m glad you notice he isn’t great going forward too. Poch may not want to play with a...www.spurscommunity.co.uk
He more than has the ability. DM neuters him.
Agree... I disagreeAgree to disagree. He hasn't got it for me and certainly have not seen anything to suggest otherwise. I was at the Watford game in the south stand and on 3 different occasions Moura was making a run off the defender's shoulder and Winks Failed to see this every time. Instead a nice safe pass to a defender. He hasn't got the ability like Eriksen or even a Huddlestone. He just doesn't have it in his make up.
Agree... I disagree
He just did. Versus Liverpool. At Anfield. Bar lamela everyone was available.
That kind of sums things up right now.
He's a pivot. He shouldn't be protecting the back four, he should be dictating the play... e.g. Xavi/Modric/late-career Scholes etc.Just out of interest who would you drop to fit in Winks? Presuming you agree he cant play as DM and can't play as advanced as Son/Kane/Moura/Lamela. Where does he fit in?
He's a pivot. He shouldn't be protecting the back four, he should be dictating the play... e.g. Xavi/Modric/late-career Scholes etc.
Caveat: I'm am not saying he is at the same level as those excellent players, just as clearly identifiable examples of that position. Get the ball, give the ball, get the ball, give the ball, etc etc.
He just did. Versus Liverpool. At Anfield. Bar lamela everyone was available.
That kind of sums things up right now.
Harry Winks - Leicester City
I understand he isn’t a pure DM, I’m saying we need a pure DM. Someone who is more solid defensively. I’m not moving the goalposts, I have said previously he isn’t an effective screen, not just post Arsenal. I’m glad you notice he isn’t great going forward too. Poch may not want to play with a...www.spurscommunity.co.uk
He more than has the ability. DM neuters him.
Lo Celso & Ndombele can do that and add to the attack. It’s useless to have a player who will only recycle possession and quite literally nothing else.He's a pivot. He shouldn't be protecting the back four, he should be dictating the play... e.g. Xavi/Modric/late-career Scholes etc.
Caveat: I'm am not saying he is at the same level as those excellent players, just as clearly identifiable examples of that position. Get the ball, give the ball, get the ball, give the ball, etc etc.
He's a pivot. He shouldn't be protecting the back four, he should be dictating the play... e.g. Xavi/Modric/late-career Scholes etc.
Caveat: I'm am not saying he is at the same level as those excellent players, just as clearly identifiable examples of that position. Get the ball, give the ball, get the ball, give the ball, etc etc.
What is a "pivot"? I also hear he's a transitional player whatever that means. The players you mention there Xavi/Modric, Scholes are play makers they also chip in with goals and assists. Winks has 2 goals in 4 years and 1 assist, I'm sorry but it is ridiculous to eve mention those greats with such an average player like Winks. Completely different players. We have seen first hand what a quality player Modric was, he was the assist before the assist. He would open up defenses, and make those incisive passes to tea up attacking opportunities. Winks simply hasn't got the ability to do this. Sideways and backwards..
Well you keep telling yourself that. He's not shining in anything at the moment, and havn't for a long time.
By you he should shine when we're playing lesser teams at home. Ehh no.
That's exactly where his limits come to light.
I think the main argument for playing Winks further up pitch is that he is a defensive liability when positioned deeper. I can't think of any positive reason for doing so, especially when we have GLC, Ndombele, Eriksen, Lamela, Moura, Son, Alli.What on earth do you see to suggest Winks can play further up the pitch? He can't create, he can't score goals, he has got no flair, he doesn't ping through balls or comfortable playing in small triangles. No skills, no dribbling ability. Come on man, think about what you are saying here.
I think the main argument for playing Winks further up pitch is that he is a defensive liability when positioned deeper. I can't think of any positive reason for doing so, especially when we have GLC, Ndombele, Eriksen, Lamela, Moura, Son, Alli.
Exactly right. I mean it's crazy how someone can list those players in the same sentence as Winks. Absolutely mental. Those players were deep lying playmakers who used to cut teams open with passes from deep positions, and dictated play, also scored goals and created chances. Winks does nothing. He just sits there playing sideways passes to CBs and other midfielders.
We've had this discussion so many times, there is no such thing as just having a pivot player in a modern side without them offering particular attributes which make them as quality players. Winks is just average at everything, and poor at other things, but he excels at nothing. It's madness to even mention him in the same breath as world class players like Modric, because even if you are saying Winks isn't at the same level ability wise, you are implying that Winks is fulfilling the same role in the team as they did, but he isn't, because those world class players possessed world class attributes which made them excel in that role and which made managers build teams around them and be indispensable to their side.
It is nothing personal against Winks but he is a big part of the reason why we are struggling so badly. CM is a crucial position and our clueless coach seems to think he is a far better player than he actually is, and continually picks him in our strongest 11, and every week we just see Winks well out of his depth. ON a good day he's just 2019 Scott Parker, and a million miles way from the likes of Xavi, Scholes and Modric. (Just typing that last line out makes me LOL).