Player Watch: Marcus Edwards

[IGSpur]

I'm not saying last two minutes, last 20-15 is what i mean. If Edwards was really such a bad egg a loan to Norwich was the worst thing for him, we needed to show him love and let his ability do the talking. So i think it's a bit harsh saying it's fully on Marcus, its on both Marcus and the club for not being able to deal with different individuals who have different trigger points and needs.

Everyone was raving about Marcus, way more than KWP, Mason, Bentaleb etc. This guy was the golden boy of our youth set up and if you think the club takes zero blame for him not making it, that's just a little naive in my book. Some players just need to be thrown in the deep end, Poch even likened him to Messi but then never played him, as a 17 year old how much would that mess with your head. Your boss is saying you have talent comparable to the best player in the world, yet he doesn't even play him.

We gave him time in the Gillingham cup game and he looked good and dangerous, then nothing. Bizarre.

While I agree Edwards should have been handled better and been giving chances, I'm pretty sure you were one of the people at the time, saying that, if he doesn't get a chance it's down to him, as Poch will always give chances and it was essentially Edwards' fault.

I still rate Edwards and I'm happy he has left the club. While I think he's still good enough for us if I were him I'd stay well away. Hopefully he can do another season at Vitoria or a slightly bigger club in a slightly better league picks him up over the summer, so he can continue his development after he was stifled. Fortunately it doesn't seem he's lost too much time.

England will be so better off with a fully firing Edwards.

 

[Shadydan]

I'm not saying last two minutes, last 20-15 is what i mean. If Edwards was really such a bad egg a loan to Norwich was the worst thing for him, we needed to show him love and let his ability do the talking. So i think it's a bit harsh saying it's fully on Marcus, its on both Marcus and the club for not being able to deal with different individuals who have different trigger points and needs.

Everyone was raving about Marcus, way more than KWP, Mason, Bentaleb etc. This guy was the golden boy of our youth set up and if you think the club takes zero blame for him not making it, that's just a little naive in my book. Some players just need to be thrown in the deep end, Poch even likened him to Messi but then never played him, as a 17 year old how much would that mess with your head. Your boss is saying you have talent comparable to the best player in the world, yet he doesn't even play him.

We gave him time in the Gillingham cup game and he looked good and dangerous, then nothing. Bizarre.

This is the problem with looking at things in hindsight, we are obviously not playing well and he scored a good goal against some pub team in a pub league therefore he would do a job now, it doesn't work like that.

Edwards needed to mature as a person, mentally and physically hence why he was sent out on loan and it was a good loan for him as well playing under Daniel Farke - his Norwich team played on the front foot which was synonymous with how Poch played so a good place to learn. He didn't take the chance - time keeping was poor and attitude questionable at Norwich which tells you he wasn't ready to play at that level so what makes you think he was ready to play for us consistently and why did he deserve to? Poch made this exact point in his book and admitted that he made a mistake by calling him Messi which got to his head.

“He has authority and behavioural problems, and we have to look at the bigger picture to find out the root cause. There was a time when it would have been seen as impossible for him to play professionally, let alone make it in the Premier League.

Look, different players mature at different ages, again when I say mature not just physically but mentally as well and that is the biggest thing which makes a difference to whether a player makes it or not - mentality not ability and Marcus at the time didn't have the mentality to play at this level nor did he deserve to be picked on merit.

 

[edson]

 

[edson]

Having watched Marcus Edwards play live from when he was at the ages of 16 and up I can tell you he is not as bad as people think.

He was very low key on match days and would turn up with just him and his Father before the games and he was never what you would call a flashy kid and he would not say much to anybody before or after the matches and his Father was a good guy who also got a lot of stick from Spurs fans.

Edwards is playing a lot better than most of our players right now.

Do not see him coming back but I can say he was not the worst player with attitude at Spurs.

 

[mpickard2087]

Having watched Marcus Edwards play live from when he was at the ages of 16 and up I can tell you he is not as bad as people think.

He was very low key on match days and would turn up with just him and his Father before the games and he was never what you would call a flashy kid and he would not say much to anybody before or after the matches and his Father was a good guy who also got a lot of stick from Spurs fans.

Edwards is playing a lot better than most of our players right now.

Do not see him coming back but I can say he was not the worst player with attitude at Spurs.

Yeah, only as an onlooker I personally thought that his personality was just very unique. Slightly insular, slightly withdrawn, not overly communicative, cant really sum it up in a word..... I do wonder if it was more that no one on the coaching staff could build a rapport and some sort of communication with him and this caused issues, rather than actual behaviour. But we will never know.

I think the Norwich loan was too early for him, mentally more than anything, and he didn't react well to it and things like poor time keeping etc. gives the impression he was struggling and didn't really want to be there. And that obviously also helped drive the narrative that he was a bad egg.

 

[edson]

Yeah, only as an onlooker I personally thought that his personality was just very unique. Slightly insular, slightly withdrawn, not overly communicative, cant really sum it up in a word..... I do wonder if it was more that no one on the coaching staff could build a rapport and some sort of communication with him and this caused issues, rather than actual behaviour. But we will never know.

I think the Norwich loan was too early for him, mentally more than anything, and he didn't react well to it and things like poor time keeping etc. gives the impression he was struggling and didn't really want to be there. And that obviously also helped drive the narrative that he was a bad egg.

I have watched Harvey Elliott play a few time and I would say he is hard work but it still did not stop Klopp from buying him and he will probably go on to do very well for Liverpool.

Remember Andros Townsend on a season loan at Watford and they sent him back after two games and he has done well for himself and I like him more as a person than I did as a player.

Marcus Edwards was playing very well for our u23s he was winning pens and scoring goals most weeks and still he did not get a look in, I remember TOB getting called up and his form for Spurs was patchy at best.

Edwards has done interviews saying he has made mistakes but we should have helped him a lot more and the stick he and his Father has got has been a bit over the top for me and I have been at Loads of matches Marcus Edwards Father has been at and he is a funny guy who did watch matches when his Son was not playing.

Not just me but ask anybody who goes to youth games and they will tell you that you are a lot closer to the players so you can see what they are like a lot more so than a first team player.

 

[sausage]

This is the problem with looking at things in hindsight, we are obviously not playing well and he scored a good goal against some pub team in a pub league therefore he would do a job now, it doesn't work like that.

It was the same when Luongo did well in the Asian cup or whatever a few years back. "We should do the buy back" etc.

 

[edson]

It was the same when Luongo did well in the Asian cup or whatever a few years back. "We should do the buy back" etc.

 

[fortworthspur]

What so Edwards is suddenly good enough for us now?

how do you know he wasnt good enough in the first place based on 15 minutes against Gillingham?

 

[fortworthspur]

anyway, the buy-out is 15 million apparently and we get 50% of the sell-on fee, so he's available for 7.5 million. we spent more on Njie and Nkoudou. I dont know how he feels about it, though...

 

[Montalbano]

anyway, the buy-out is 15 million apparently and we get 50% of the sell-on fee, so he's available for 7.5 million. we spent more on Njie and Nkoudou. I dont know how he feels about it, though...

Wasn’t aware of the release clause. €7.5m is an absolute no brainer from our end.

The release clause isn’t high enough to make us have much of a financial advantage though with our 50% sell-on clause. Someone will happily dish €15m on him this summer.

At east that’s an extra €7.5 to put towards Dybala’s image rights this summer..

 

[Shadydan]

how do you know he wasnt good enough in the first place based on 15 minutes against Gillingham?

Pretty sure if he was good enough he would have more than a 15 Mon cameo with us on his CV.

 

[Montalbano]

Pretty sure if he was good enough he would have more than a 15 Mon cameo with us on his CV.

So you think that talent never slips through the cracks? Sancho says hello.

 

[Shadydan]

So you think that talent never slips through the cracks? Sancho says hello.

And look where Sancho is now and compare that to Edwards, telling that one player is a world beater and the other is playing in a league equivalent to league 1.

 

[Montalbano]

And look where Sancho is now and compare that to Edwards, telling that one player is a world beater and the other is playing in a league equivalent to league 1.

That is besides the point, good luck comparing any young player on the planet to Sancho right now lmao. I’m talking about a winger available for 7.5m, not 100m+.

I’m not saying Edwards is as good as Sancho, I’m saying that if a youngster doesn’t break into a PL big 6 club’s first team from the academy doesn’t mean they’re a washed player.

Saying Liga NOS is the equivalent of English League One should be a crime

 

[chrissivad]

So you think that talent never slips through the cracks? Sancho says hello.

Sancho didn't slip through any cracks.
He moved on from City, not that city didn't think he was good enough.

 

[Montalbano]

Sancho didn't slip through any cracks.
He moved on from City, not that city didn't think he was good enough.

That’s not true, he left because he wasn’t getting any chances in City’s first team, and had been omitted from their preseason tour.

The situation likely isn’t too different from Marcus’s, who likely forced a move when he was given no chances in our first team.

 

[chrissivad]

That’s not true, he left because he wasn’t getting any chances in City’s first team, and had been omitted from their preseason tour.

He was one of the players picked out to be fast tracked.
They offered him a contract, and as it was still not sure if he was going to sign was left out of the tour

City had offered him a new deal and planned to take him to the United States for their pre-season tour last summer.

But, worried about his first-team chances, Sancho turned down the deal - which Guardiola said he had already agreed to sign - with the manager adding that the teenager then stopped turning up for training after City returned from the US.

History-maker Sancho's path to the England squad - BBC Sport

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Sancho had a pick of clubs he could go to when he left.

 

[Montalbano]

He was one of the players picked out to be fast tracked.
They offered him a contract, and as it was still not sure if he was going to sign was left out of the tour

City had offered him a new deal and planned to take him to the United States for their pre-season tour last summer.

But, worried about his first-team chances, Sancho turned down the deal - which Guardiola said he had already agreed to sign - with the manager adding that the teenager then stopped turning up for training after City returned from the US.

History-maker Sancho's path to the England squad - BBC Sport

BBC Sport takes a closer look at Borussia Dortmund teenager Jadon Sancho, the first player born this millennium called up England.

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Sancho had a pick of clubs he could go to when he left.

That’s fair, you were right and my apologies. I misunderstood his situation.

Irregardless of Sancho, I still think it’s unfair to say that talented players can’t occasionally slip through the cracks [especially trying to break into the first team from the academy at a club competing in the Champions League].

 

[chrissivad]

I'm sure there are plenty, but I would guess (absolutely nothing to back this up) more players don't make the step up due to attitude/hard work.

What one Edwards falls into. No idea, but he clearly has talent.

The clips posted, it looks like he is starting to enjoy playing again, and team mates look happy for him.