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Player Watch: Serge Aurier

chrissivad

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It's the old catch 22 situation though, the only way to give inexperienced players the experience is to play them. If you think they're good enough, you just have to bite the bullet and go with them. I'm not sold on Foyth, but if Jose reckons either him or Tanganga and Aarons is what we need, then Trophyman just needs to do it.

But at the same time you don't just throw 2 youngsters in and hope for the best.

I don't mind having 1 or both as back up and giving them game time (cups ect) to show what they can do.

But we shouldn't just be throwing youngsters in and just see how they do (unless it's a forced situation)

If Tanganga won't be getting game time at CB this season, I would rather see him go out on loan and get games.
 

the yid

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He's 100% worth 20m. Just the English game is to quick for him. In another league he's a top class RB like he was in France. If he moves to Italy or Spain a slower paced league he'll definitely be rop class again and worth every bit.of 20m
 

Rosco1984

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if we take what we paid for him out of the equation and just look at the present situation.... getting 13m in the kitty and not giving away possession on the edge of our own box 10 times a game leading to 5 scoring chances for the opposition and the odd penalty seems a good option.
 

Hotspur33

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Why would it be anything remotely resembling good business to accept well below his market value?
For the reasons pointed out in the post you are replying to.
A players market value is whatever anyone is willing to pay.
If you play for one of the big teams in the premier League then you will be earning significantly higher wages then most teams around Europe can afford. This makes moving players on very difficult.
If we sign a new RB and keep Serge, and he doesn't play, then other teams will take advantage of us wanting rid, and so the fee they are willing to pay will be less than £13M.
And do AC Milan rate Serge so highly that they are willing to spend the whole transfer window negotiating with Levy or do they just move on to another target?
 

Spurrific

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For the reasons pointed out in the post you are replying to.
A players market value is whatever anyone is willing to pay.
If you play for one of the big teams in the premier League then you will be earning significantly higher wages then most teams around Europe can afford. This makes moving players on very difficult.
If we sign a new RB and keep Serge, and he doesn't play, then other teams will take advantage of us wanting rid, and so the fee they are willing to pay will be less than £13M.
And do AC Milan rate Serge so highly that they are willing to spend the whole transfer window negotiating with Levy or do they just move on to another target?

I’m very obviously questioning the post I quoted, because there was no logic to it.

Luckily, the club doesn’t just write off a few million in player values willy nilly. If we sold him for less than he’s worth, we won’t be able to get somebody as good for what we get for him. So we’ll be paying to downgrade? Do people on here expect Levy to sanction deals for less than players are worth because they don’t like Aurier as a player?

It’s been widely reported that Milan are desperate to sign Aurier, and that the manager “dreams” of signing him.
 

Hotspur33

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If we agreed to pay £23m ish for him when he was basically banned from entering the country, with a pending (or current, not sure) criminal record and unwanted by PSG, why would he be worth half that when he's a regular player who has (despite opinion on here) proven PL experience and is actually better than Trippier was in his final season?

If we're only selling because he'd like to leave, and Mourinho would be happy to keep him, why sell him cheap?
I dunno..... pandemic might do it
 

Hotspur33

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I’m very obviously questioning the post I quoted, because there was no logic to it.

Luckily, the club doesn’t just write off a few million in player values willy nilly. If we sold him for less than he’s worth, we won’t be able to get somebody as good for what we get for him. So we’ll be paying to downgrade? Do people on here expect Levy to sanction deals for less than players are worth because they don’t like Aurier as a player?

It’s been widely reported that Milan are desperate to sign Aurier, and that the manager “dreams” of signing him.
You could argue that holding onto a player and having to pay their wages whilst their value decreases is writing off millions.
And I believe the point of the original post was that sometimes levy needs to know when to haggle and when to sell.
I believe that if he joins AC then Levy will get more than £13M, but like a lot of people have said, £15M-18M would be a deal.

Peace and love
 

Spurrific

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You could argue that holding onto a player and having to pay their wages whilst their value decreases is writing off millions.
And I believe the point of the original post was that sometimes levy needs to know when to haggle and when to sell.
I believe that if he joins AC then Levy will get more than £13M, but like a lot of people have said, £15M-18M would be a deal.

Peace and love

I agree with you, we should meet in the middle but the notion of just accepting Milan's first offer to expedite our search for a replacement just doesn't wash with me
 

Hotspur33

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I agree with you, we should meet in the middle but the notion of just accepting Milan's first offer to expedite our search for a replacement just doesn't wash with me
No I agree also. I think the concern is just that Levy still wants to do deals like we are a mid table team, rinse teams when we sell, and plead poverty when we are buying.
And having players on PL wages means that the market for players we are trying to shift is limited.
 

DJS

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Dec 9, 2006
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Wonder why he’s so eager to want out too as he was first choice all last season.

Guess he just knows Mourinho wants to replace him.

He had plenty of chances last season to cement himself but still has his crazy moments that we cannot really afford.
 

C0YS

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It's the old catch 22 situation though, the only way to give inexperienced players the experience is to play them. If you think they're good enough, you just have to bite the bullet and go with them. I'm not sold on Foyth, but if Jose reckons either him or Tanganga and Aarons is what we need, then Trophyman just needs to do it.
Play them, not give them a starting role and cross your fingers.
 

Spurs Lodge Kittens

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Like i'm all for moving Aurier on but unless it's to create the capital for an exciting young player we can develop (Aarons for example) then i'm almost in the why bother camp. Why go and get the likes of Castagne for 10m or so. Doesn't make sense to me.
 

cider spurs

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Wonder why he’s so eager to want out too as he was first choice all last season.

Guess he just knows Mourinho wants to replace him.

He had plenty of chances last season to cement himself but still has his crazy moments that we cannot really afford.


He's read the match day threads on SC. :cry:
 

cozzo

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Wonder why he’s so eager to want out too as he was first choice all last season.

Guess he just knows Mourinho wants to replace him.

He had plenty of chances last season to cement himself but still has his crazy moments that we cannot really afford.

He's not stupid he sees that his own fans don't like him. He's always on social media.
 

oskathegobshite

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He's 100% worth 20m. Just the English game is to quick for him. In another league he's a top class RB like he was in France. If he moves to Italy or Spain a slower paced league he'll definitely be rop class again and worth every bit.of 20m

I'm sorry but he was not a top class right-back in France, he was regularly exposed in the same way he is here. He is worth $20m though based on what we are seeing players of similar quality go for
 

Sweech

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Jun 27, 2013
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Second on our entire squad for assists in the PL.

I'd like to see him sold but at 12-13 mil it's horrendous value.

Can't wrap my head around people wanting to buy the likes of Aarons, Celik, or Castagne at market value but feel like our players should be sold at much less than market value.
 

WiganSpur

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I wouldn't sell him for anything less than £18m. I imagine if we sell him for much less then that impinges on our ability to actually improve on him. In that scenario, we might as well keep him.

It seems like we're demanding 22-23m, our money back. Hopefully this gets done at circa 18/19m and we can spend £20m or so on Aarons with Celik or Castagne as the backup targets.
 

C0YS

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Second on our entire squad for assists in the PL.

I'd like to see him sold but at 12-13 mil it's horrendous value.

Can't wrap my head around people wanting to buy the likes of Aarons, Celik, or Castagne at market value but feel like our players should be sold at much less than market value.
This. Spurs fans keep devaluing there own players. 15m minimum, unless we get targets for less than value too. Aurier is not a bad right back and keeping him wouldn't be the end of the world.

Ok, he only has two years left on his contract. But we might lose, what, 5 mill if he is valued at 13m? Like that is not much. If we start selling, all our first team players that we want to replace/provide competition for such figures we will be setting a pretty bad precedent.

If we are into the last days of the market, and need the money, ok. Then fine, but we need to hold out for more for as long as possible.
 

TEESSIDE1

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This. Spurs fans keep devaluing there own players. 15m minimum, unless we get targets for less than value too. Aurier is not a bad right back and keeping him wouldn't be the end of the world.

Ok, he only has two years left on his contract. But we might lose, what, 5 mill if he is valued at 13m? Like that is not much. If we start selling, all our first team players that we want to replace/provide competition for such figures we will be setting a pretty bad precedent.

If we are into the last days of the market, and need the money, ok. Then fine, but we need to hold out for more for as long as possible.

There’s a difference between selling a 1st team liability and someone who’s consistently good.
 
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