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yankspurs

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It's about minimising your chances of it happening. We need adequate squad depth and a review of the medical team in the summer. This cannot keep happening.
We need to review both the medical team and sport science team. But the board refusing to invest in depth doesnt help either. Imbecile's. The whole lot. Disgraceful.
 
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We need to review both the medical team and sport science team. But the board refusing to invest in depth doesnt help either. Imbecile's. The whole lot. Disgraceful.
& his ankle, don't forget his ankle, what a putz!
 

double0

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Anyone blaming the medical staff is unfounded. This is complete bad luck... Mourinho will have to us the squad and imo coach a bit more other than manage on tactics alone.
 

JCRD

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How the hell can our players join us then get injured... like arghhhhhh
 

carpediem991

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Anyone blaming the medical staff is unfounded. This is complete bad luck... Mourinho will have to us the squad and imo coach a bit more other than manage on tactics alone.

How the fck can we (or you) even judge if the medical team is to blame or not?
Seriously with this record it is definitley time to question it. Of course they can not be made responsible for Son breaking his arm for example but the list of injuries added to completely crocked players (Lamela, Dembele, Wanyama) is very alarming. Something wrong with our training ground? Treatment after training sessions? Rehabilitation time? Physios work? Or really just bad luck?...
 

yankspurs

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Anyone blaming the medical staff is unfounded. This is complete bad luck... Mourinho will have to us the squad and imo coach a bit more other than manage on tactics alone.
He came off Wednesday feeling like he was about to be hurt. Allowing him to start on Saturday is incompetence. He was being played into the ground. These guys arent robots. Allowing them to keep playing without much rest is a failure of the medical department. All these injuries racking up, how can we not question it?
 

fortworthspur

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if this keeps happening we're gonna have to recall Clarke just to fill the subs' bench. might as well not get games at home with us.
 

fortworthspur

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He came off Wednesday feeling like he was about to be hurt. Allowing him to start on Saturday is incompetence. He was being played into the ground. These guys arent robots. Allowing them to keep playing without much rest is a failure of the medical department.
I suspect thats more down to mourinho. Im sure everyone knows we are pushing our luck.
 

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Anyone blaming the medical staff is unfounded. This is complete bad luck... Mourinho will have to us the squad and imo coach a bit more other than manage on tactics alone.


I agree that blaming the medical staff doesnt tell the whole story and in my view it is the outcome of neglecting the rebuild and strengthening of the squad. However I dont really believe that this is just unlucky and I bet the medical staff are advising our management team but we are being forced to play them even not 100% fit

It certainly needs a post season review internally to strengthen that department. Players will always get injured but there are injuries then there is this....

Liverscum have also players a fair number of games this season but theyre not getting injuries - thats not luck.
 

wrd

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Anyone blaming the medical staff is unfounded. This is complete bad luck... Mourinho will have to us the squad and imo coach a bit more other than manage on tactics alone.

Certainly unfounded blaming the medical team but to say its down to bad luck is burying head in the sand. Some of us were on here talking about how badly he has been overplayed and run into the ground on friday and then he starts yet again on saturday.
 

0-Tibsy-0

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It does beg the question as to why, even if he is not deemed 'ready' or the finished article, Parrott or even Etete were not involved more often in the odd 10 minute cameo just to preserve players well being. Seems like basic squad management. Though obviously that squad management has been more difficult due to the amount of injuries he's had to deal with.
 

double0

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Certainly unfounded blaming the medical team but to say its down to bad luck is burying head in the sand. Some of us were on here talking about how badly he has been overplayed and run into the ground on friday and then he starts yet again on saturday.
I am not burying my head in the sand.

Players suffer from injuries it is part and parcel of the game. I'm pretty sure you'd be hard pressed to find any player 100% fit the majority are playing with all sort of strains and pulls.

The medical team will have all sorts of information about ever single player and for people to blame the medical imo is unfounded. Why not the training methods or team tactics.
 

wrd

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I am not burying my head in the sand.

Players suffer from injuries it is part and parcel of the game. I'm pretty sure you'd be hard pressed to find any player 100% fit the majority are playing with all sort of strains and pulls.

The medical team will have all sorts of information about ever single player and for people to blame the medical imo is unfounded. Why not the training methods or team tactics.

I agreed with you that blaming the medical team is unfounded, I took issue with it being called bad luck and you also seem to be at odds with it being down to luck by mentioning the training methods and tactics. Yes injuries are part and parcel of the game, but when we have this week suffered a Ben Davies injury who started 3 games in a row after being injured for how long and then a new player who let's face it has been running on fumes the past 4 or more games as he tries to get to grips with the lead now also suffering an injury, that's not luck imo that's down to the squad management which arguably has been dictated by poor decision making.
 

EQP

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I agree that blaming the medical staff doesnt tell the whole story and in my view it is the outcome of neglecting the rebuild and strengthening of the squad. However I dont really believe that this is just unlucky and I bet the medical staff are advising our management team but we are being forced to play them even not 100% fit

It certainly needs a post season review internally to strengthen that department. Players will always get injured but there are injuries then there is this....

Liverscum have also players a fair number of games this season but theyre not getting injuries - thats not luck.

I've seen that firsthand. I worked a 2 MLS teams on the sports science setups and this is unfortunately a way of life.


Managers rushing players back- I actually heard a quite a few managers say that " i'd rather have a 50% John Smith playing rather than him missing the game" without truly understanding the consequences of rushing an injured player back. With the stakes being incredibly high in the league and managers wanting their best players available to help win games, this becomes a prevalent issue. Unfortunately, this can be damaging to the player on a two levels. First, physically because the likely hood of injury is increased. Secondly, mentally because if a manager is personally nudging a player to play who isn't fit, the player might feel that failing to do so will affect any future starts or minutes on the field or worse lose the managers faith in him. All of which lead invariably back to more time on the physio table.
 

wrd

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I've seen that firsthand. I worked a 2 MLS teams on the sports science setups and this is unfortunately a way of life.


Managers rushing players back- I actually heard a quite a few managers say that " i'd rather have a 50% John Smith playing rather than him missing the game" without truly understanding the consequences of rushing an injured player back. With the stakes being incredibly high in the league and managers wanting their best players available to help win games, this becomes a prevalent issue. Unfortunately, this can be damaging to the player on a two levels. First, physically because the likely hood of injury is increased. Secondly, mentally because if a manager is personally nudging a player to play who isn't fit, the player might feel that failing to do so will affect any future starts or minutes on the field or worse lose the managers faith in him. All of which lead invariably back to more time on the physio table.

It's the (admittedly small) caveat I have with Ndombele as I wouldn't be shocked if he's carrying something and we're asking him to play through the pain barrier. It's pure conjecture but he was playing significantly better earlier in the season and I just wonder whether he's truly overcome that groin injury.
 

Shadydan

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Really not surprised he's injured, look wh Res he's come from and look at the environment he's in now - it was only a matter of time.
 
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