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Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

buckley

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would or would it not that is the question ?
Perhaps the wearing of more clothing in hot weather makes you sweat a lot and therefore help you lose weight I dont know this as a fact I am just guessing and as he has been lambasted for being overweight perhaps he is trying to trim down .
Would like the answer to sweating re losing weight tho .
 

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Say what you want to about Ndombele but when I see that he is playing or coming on I feel excited to see him. He had got clear talent and is a game changing player. He is young enough to improve his fitness and from what I have seen (which isn't much granted) his attitude looks good. The training with Mourinho during lockdown was all I needed to see.

I'm massively positive that he will turn into a great players for us (I will caveat this with the point that I also said this about Paulinho).
 
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Snarfalicious

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With the additional subs now, Ndombele probably stands to benefit the most. If he requires being subbed off at 50-60 minutes for the first couple of matches, fine. With the 2 extra substitutes, Sissoko healthy (and Fernandes), we've got the options and ability to really build up his stamina the right way, if he's not quite there come the restart of matches.
 

bubble07

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With the extra subs he could be asked to go flat out for 45 minutes and then replaced by sissoko
 

Timberwolf

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Say what you want to about Ndombele but when I see that he is playing or coming on I feel excited to see him. He had got clear talent and is a game changing player. He is young enough to improve his fitness and from what I have seen (which is much granted) his attitude looks good. The training with Mourinho during lockdown was all I needed to see.

I'm massively positive that he will turn into a great players for us (I will caveat this with the point that I also said this about Paulinho).
I think it's all going to come down to his relationship with Mourinho. Ndombele has clearly had physical issues since joining, along with the psychological pressures of adapting to a new league, a new country and increased expectations.

He has all the talent in the world but Jose has to manage him correctly to coax the talent out of him. If he's too harsh Ndombele might just shut down, while if he's not harsh enough Ndombele might coast and never reach his potential.

It's going to be a real test of Jose's man management and I think it's really important he gets it right as Ndombele is arguably our most naturally talented player.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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I think it's all going to come down to his relationship with Mourinho. Ndombele has clearly had physical issues since joining, along with the psychological pressures of adapting to a new league, a new country and increased expectations.

He has all the talent in the world but Jose has to manage him correctly to coax the talent out of him. If he's too harsh Ndombele might just shut down, while if he's not harsh enough Ndombele might coast and never reach his potential.

It's going to be a real test of Jose's man management and I think it's really important he gets it right as Ndombele is arguably our most naturally talented player.
Good post
 

dudu

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I think it's all going to come down to his relationship with Mourinho. Ndombele has clearly had physical issues since joining, along with the psychological pressures of adapting to a new league, a new country and increased expectations.

He has all the talent in the world but Jose has to manage him correctly to coax the talent out of him. If he's too harsh Ndombele might just shut down, while if he's not harsh enough Ndombele might coast and never reach his potential.

It's going to be a real test of Jose's man management and I think it's really important he gets it right as Ndombele is arguably our most naturally talented player.

I'm not sure putting the complete onus on the manager is fair here.

A huge swathe of responsibility lies directly at Ndombeles door too.
 

dontcallme

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I'm not sure putting the complete onus on the manager is fair here.

A huge swathe of responsibility lies directly at Ndombeles door too.
Really depends on what the issue is. If he has an actual physical issue that can’t be identified by a non-specialist then there’s not much Ndombele can do.

If it turns out he just needs to train harder and change his diet then Ndombele has more control over his situation.

Until the root cause of the issue is identified it is hard for us to judge.
 

dudu

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Really depends on what the issue is. If he has an actual physical issue that can’t be identified by a non-specialist then there’s not much Ndombele can do.

If it turns out he just needs to train harder and change his diet then Ndombele has more control over his situation.

Until the root cause of the issue is identified it is hard for us to judge.

Absolutely, but whatever the issue, the only one who can get him to the top is himself. If that means going back to France or to a different team then so be it too. A manager can only do so much.
 

Locotoro

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Really depends on what the issue is. If he has an actual physical issue that can’t be identified by a non-specialist then there’s not much Ndombele can do.

If it turns out he just needs to train harder and change his diet then Ndombele has more control over his situation.

Until the root cause of the issue is identified it is hard for us to judge.

I agree in principle but these footballers should be taking responsibility for their own bodies the same way we do.

If I have a physical problem that is affecting me then I bloody well research it and try to get to the bottom of it because the only one that suffers is me.
 

dontcallme

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I agree in principle but these footballers should be taking responsibility for their own bodies the same way we do.

If I have a physical problem that is affecting me then I bloody well research it and try to get to the bottom of it because the only one that suffers is me.
One theory has been connected to his wisdom teeth. I have no idea of the validity of this.

There was a story that numerous other players had issues which were resolved after their wisdom teeth were taken out. There’s no way the average person would come to that diagnosis.

Kieran Dier had numerous injuries and a specialist found this was caused by his running technique. Again no way would it be reasonable to expect a non-specialist to come to that conclusion.
 

dontcallme

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Absolutely, but whatever the issue, the only one who can get him to the top is himself. If that means going back to France or to a different team then so be it too. A manager can only do so much.
See my post above
 

S17PUR

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Kieran Dier had numerous injuries and a specialist found this was caused by his running technique. Again no way would it be reasonable to expect a non-specialist to come to that conclusion.

If running technique is an issue then Tanguy's fucked. The guy runs like he's carrying a fridge on his back.
 

Gilzeanking

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I agree in principle but these footballers should be taking responsibility for their own bodies the same way we do.

If I have a physical problem that is affecting me then I bloody well research it and try to get to the bottom of it because the only one that suffers is me.
For this comparison to work we have to be sure that not playing while collecting the money is genuinely suffering for Ndombele .
 

dudu

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Really depends on what the issue is. If he has an actual physical issue that can’t be identified by a non-specialist then there’s not much Ndombele can do.

If it turns out he just needs to train harder and change his diet then Ndombele has more control over his situation.

Until the root cause of the issue is identified it is hard for us to judge.

I'm not judging at all. In your potential scenario, which is not that regular an occurrence, it's even less anything to do with the manager, which is what my main point was about.

The only person who can achieve greatness for Tanguy is Tanguy.

Yes, he may have a really difficult problem to diagnose that's holding him back, and if that is the case, then it's gonna still be down to him, to work through that and get himself back up to where he needs to be.
 

nailsy

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I agree in principle but these footballers should be taking responsibility for their own bodies the same way we do.

If I have a physical problem that is affecting me then I bloody well research it and try to get to the bottom of it because the only one that suffers is me.

It's very different to you and I though. Premier League footballers have club doctors, physios, nutritionists, etc all looking after them. They shouldn't have to rely on internet searches for self diagnosis. Can you imagine the fuss if he went against the advice of the clubs medical staff? Actually you don't need to imagine it, he did it a few months ago when he said that he wasn't able to play. We all saw how that played out.
 

hellava_tough

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Apart from everything else discussed in this thread, a settled starting XI and a specific position/job for NDombele will be crucial for his success.

Not sure if that will be in a midfield 3 or a 2, or even as a number 10, but I hope Mourinho has something up his sleeve.

If we can get Tanguy and Lo Celso firing on all cylinders, we could have a title tilt no problem.
 
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