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Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

Nebby

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£65 million and he doesn’t even show for the ball. Fitness issues don’t excuse that.
 

Spurs_Bear

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He’s right that he’s got to give more, but calling out players like that in public doesn’t work anymore. All it does is have them straight on to their agent looking for an exit door.
Which is fine if you’ve been hard done by, but nobody is thinking he’s been hard done by on current form.
 

LeParisien

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What does that even mean?
Publicly calling players out so aggressively does not typically lead to improved performance.

When Mourinho joined he made a big song and a dance about the fact he had reflected a lot and changed some of his ways. Not much evidence of that. It was widely taken to mean his treatment of players. It sees he has forgotten whatever he learned...

‘Ndombele ain’t been great but the most effective managers this decade have not called players out like this.
 

Bobbins

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"I hope he uses every minute on the pitch and every minute knowing what the Premier League is to improve. Many fantastic players in their first season in a new country for different reasons they struggle. There have been many examples of that. He’s a player with great talent. He has to know he has to do much better and know I cannot keep giving him opportunities to play because the team is much more important."
 

spurs mental

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Publicly calling players out so aggressively does not typically lead to improved performance.

When Mourinho joined he made a big song and a dance about the fact he had reflected a lot and changed some of his ways. Not much evidence of that. It was widely taken to mean his treatment of players. It sees he has forgotten whatever he learned...

‘Ndombele ain’t been great but the most effective managers this decade have not called players out like this.

Ain't be great?

He hasn't been anything.

Unless you call being lazy and unfit and overweight something. Then he has been something.
 

HodisGawd

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Clear difference in style to what Poch would do here. The Early Poch Era would have just frozen Ndombele out completely. Late Poch Era would have just kept playing him. But neither would go for him publicly like that.

But hey. Don't you just want to shake Ndombele until he understands too? You can't blame Jose for extreme frustration.
 

Thewobbler

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"It had all gone wrong for him at Guingamp, where he was released as a 17-year-old in 2014 – the club did not offer him a professional contract amid concerns over his commitment. Was he prepared to make the necessary sacrifices?"

Talk to anybody in France about Ndombele and one word recurs: nonchalance. It is not meant as a compliment and takes in the impression that he has not always been the most hard-working player. Perhaps it is because his talent is so big that everything comes easily to him.

“He was nonchalant,” Sullivan Martinet, his youth team captain at Guingamp, told Ouest France. “He was so strong that we were expecting more from him, more consistency. He didn’t try maybe as much. He didn’t give the impression of always being 100%. With hindsight, what harmed him was his behaviour off the pitch. We were less talented but we wanted it more than him.”

Warning signs have always been there. Yes he may have knuckled down to get his big break but now he seems to have reverted back to his lazy self. 200k a week for 5 years, maybe he thinks he doesnt have to bother anymore.
 

spurs mental

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Clear difference in style to what Poch would do here. The Early Poch Era would have just frozen Ndombele out completely. Late Poch Era would have just kept playing him. But neither would go for him publicly like that.

But hey. Don't you just want to shake Ndombele until he understands too? You can't blame Jose for extreme frustration.

Shaking him would hurt your arms with the size of him. I'd steal his pizza and run with it. Be a good work out for him.
 

Trees

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I don’t think any amount of ‘calling him out’ will have any effect, I can see him going out on a couple of loans and still being on our books after Jose has left.
Totally. Other clubs will run a mile.
 

SpursSince1980

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Spent £62 mill on a player that cant even get fit
Not good scouting. They should know stuff like this about a player before splashing a record fee on them. This is clearly an attitude and application issue. That's not something that should come out of the blue. Players don't suddenly develop a bad or lazy aptitude. That's always a part of their character. So, how did they not know that about him before the deal was sealed? Looks a lot worse when you see a player like Fernandes walk straight into a Man U 11, and light it up right from the off.
 

coys200

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Someone just randomly said on twitter that’s he had a hernia since start of season and needed an operation but being forced to play. I know his issue was around the groin so if true might actually explain a lot.
 

LeParisien

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"It had all gone wrong for him at Guingamp, where he was released as a 17-year-old in 2014 – the club did not offer him a professional contract amid concerns over his commitment. Was he prepared to make the necessary sacrifices?"

Talk to anybody in France about Ndombele and one word recurs: nonchalance. It is not meant as a compliment and takes in the impression that he has not always been the most hard-working player. Perhaps it is because his talent is so big that everything comes easily to him.

“He was nonchalant,” Sullivan Martinet, his youth team captain at Guingamp, told Ouest France. “He was so strong that we were expecting more from him, more consistency. He didn’t try maybe as much. He didn’t give the impression of always being 100%. With hindsight, what harmed him was his behaviour off the pitch. We were less talented but we wanted it more than him.”

Warning signs have always been there. Yes he may have knuckled down to get his big break but now he seems to have reverted back to his lazy self. 200k a week for 5 years, maybe he thinks he doesnt have to bother anymore.
He’s been disappointing but let’s not pretend he hasn’t grown since he was 17 years old. That article is trying to create a narrative of a player making an extreme, sudden and unlikely rise to play for a top club. Plenty of his coaches are full of praise for his attitude since.

As Mourinho said, plenty of players have struggled in their first season in the PL.
 
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