Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

[Wadec]

I quoted public facts about his dress and demeanor and I’m an intolerant ignorant bigot by your description...

I think your post and educational philosophy you’re imparting to your children is misguided, color blind and simply wrong mindey evangelical- I wish you luck in educating them for their future as I wish myself on mine, but I couldn’t disagree more with the responses on here and don’t care to debate the point further in the midst of the present culture riots.

I’m sorry that people cannot see just how reactionary and soapbox they’re being and how ‘Ghetto’ though racially loaded is not an expletive or racist word requiing being expunged from the English language in the context of debating an athletes professionalism. Call me a racist and ban me if that is where societies now at but insinuations of a 1000 cuts are a fa more insidious way of fighting a culture war.

Im sorry that I don’t have the ability to source the ITK I referenced at present, but as the almighty is my witness it will certainly be found by someone who cares enough to search ( I don’t).

I can both notice N’Dombelle’s apparently, ‘respectful disposition interpersonally‘ with the simultaneous contradictories like dress, presentation, social media presence, entourage and background pr team and how this will affect our (happily) old school managers judgement paradigm. Im sorry I don’t care if you’re insensitive to the rebellious energy detrimental to team building that a certain dress and ‘energy’ invokes but even now mine still remains a legitimate perspective - I.e. that dressing in a way that’s uniquely outside of the cultural norm amongst your colleagues can be perceived as arrogant incongruity and egotism-qualities detrimental to success in a team sport which exposes the weakest links in a group. Dressing down at the weekend isn’t ok for a highly paid and driven professional whose every action should be discrete and developmental if the target is to reach the Balon dor level. Compare the public persona of the very best Messi and Ronaldo with the not quite make its like Nemar for example.

The idea that the beanie for example ( which he wears sitting on the bench rain or shine) is some exercise tool to generate extra sweat and is a symbol of his workrate and commitment is beyond ridiculous both as a practical idea and as a credulity question from its exponents. Whether intended as such or not it’s a statement of differerence with everyone else in the squad which rightly or not invites questions as to his commitment to the group. People not seeing this aren’t being ‘woke’ but wak Imo. I’m done with this now and won’t be responding further because I’ve more important thing to do than debate the obvious on the internet. Have a great summer y’all

Mug by name, Mug by nature.

 

[Tucker]

I couldn’t give a fuck if he‘s been coming into training wearing a top hat and monocle to be honest. The players style of dress doesn’t contribute to their form one iota. From what we can see of the training videos he seems to be getting involved and looking very tricky.

I don’t like the noises being made in the French media, and it’s concerning. But we have had ITK from JJ saying that it’s bollocks. So lets all just chill and see what happens, end of the day Mourinho picks the team, and right now GLC is looking pretty bloody tasty, so Tanguy is going to have to go some way to displace him from the team.

 

[mugpunt]

Properly depressing.

You saw he was wearing a hat and tracksuit in the middle of summer and immediately jumped to the conclusion that it was 'ghetto' and indicative of a bad attitude. In every photo of him out of training I've seen he dresses very similar to plenty of other footballers.

Maybe he's actually trying to lose weight by wearing extra clothes in the heat as someone suggested. Since when was a spurs tracksuit and a black beanie much of a statement anyway?

Either way it was a massive leap to make, and if the club thought his clothing was detrimental to his training he sure as fuck wouldn't be allowed to wear it.

I did and as I’ve since seen I’m far from alone in my association (about him and ‘plenty of other footballers) and whatever people want to say it doesn’t make us or our conclusions racist or racially insensitive...

See it or not like it or not it IS a statement to dress differently from everyone else in your team. And because of his inhereted wages and fee I think your mistaken to say that the club/jose have the ability to ban a ‘grey’ infraction like this. If you seriously think he’s dressing this way as a ‘fitness training device’ I’m sorry to say that the nonsense and poor judgement is yours not mine.

 

[thekneaf]

I quoted public facts about his dress and demeanor and I’m an intolerant ignorant bigot by your description...

I think your post and educational philosophy you’re imparting to your children is misguided, color blind and simply wrong mindey evangelical- I wish you luck in educating them for their future as I wish myself on mine, but I couldn’t disagree more with the responses on here and don’t care to debate the point further in the midst of the present culture riots.

I’m sorry that people cannot see just how reactionary and soapbox they’re being and how ‘Ghetto’ though racially loaded is not an expletive or racist word requiing being expunged from the English language in the context of debating an athletes professionalism. Call me a racist and ban me if that is where societies now at but insinuations of a 1000 cuts are a fa more insidious way of fighting a culture war.

Im sorry that I don’t have the ability to source the ITK I referenced at present, but as the almighty is my witness it will certainly be found by someone who cares enough to search ( I don’t).

I can both notice N’Dombelle’s apparently, ‘respectful disposition interpersonally‘ with the simultaneous contradictories like dress, presentation, social media presence, entourage and background pr team and how this will affect our (happily) old school managers judgement paradigm. Im sorry I don’t care if you’re insensitive to the rebellious energy detrimental to team building that a certain dress and ‘energy’ invokes but even now mine still remains a legitimate perspective - I.e. that dressing in a way that’s uniquely outside of the cultural norm amongst your colleagues can be perceived as arrogant incongruity and egotism-qualities detrimental to success in a team sport which exposes the weakest links in a group. Dressing down at the weekend isn’t ok for a highly paid and driven professional whose every action should be discrete and developmental if the target is to reach the Balon dor level. Compare the public persona of the very best Messi and Ronaldo with the not quite make its like Nemar for example.

The idea that the beanie for example ( which he wears sitting on the bench rain or shine) is some exercise tool to generate extra sweat and is a symbol of his workrate and commitment is beyond ridiculous both as a practical idea and as a credulity question from its exponents. Whether intended as such or not it’s a statement of differerence with everyone else in the squad which rightly or not invites questions as to his commitment to the group. People not seeing this aren’t being ‘woke’ but wak Imo. I’m done with this now and won’t be responding further because I’ve more important thing to do than debate the obvious on the internet. Have a great summer y’all

Well, you've certainly doubled down.

I respect that you don't want to debate this, but as an open forum I think we need to dismantle some of what you said for people that may just stumble upon it.

Ronaldo and Messi look absolutely insane. Bodies covered in tattoos. All they prove is that bored people spend money on jewelry and body art, because why not. Ronaldo is incredibly vain. He's arrogant. But he backs it up. Also works hard and is in great condition. Bringing them into this actually disapproves you're quite odd sartorial point.

Neymar is just a party boy, we all know them. That's what holds him back. Or is the inference that him being 'ghetto' holds him back?

You really should have stopped at discussing his actual issues which appear to be mental fragility, introversion and questionable work rate. They're also things that are changeable. If you learn a second language you're actual personality changes when talking in it because you're less confident in it and you're vocabularyis smaller. Confidence isn't a constant. And work rate comes from buying into an ethos. He'll adapt or be sold. I hope the former as I think he's got the parts of the game you can't easily coach into a player.

I mean, I can't even be bothered to go into the rest of it.

Sometimes it's best to reflect on what you say rather than going all in a doubling down. I get stuff wrong all the time, learning to take criticism on board is an important life skill. It's not about being a snowflake, or woke, it's just about being open minded, empathic and humble.

 

[kannanmothalali]

Yes, I've seen that he's got amazing vision, unbelievable natural ability to beat a man and perfect weight of pass. I've also seen that his fitness and work rate are a disgrace. Putting him in the attacking midfield (where, it's worth noting, he played in the warm-up match against Norwich in the buildup to the restart) would relieve him of some of the defensive responsibilities he has in central midfield. Dele brings goals and assists and little else, and at the moment is not scoring or assisting much. I wouldn't mind seeing Ndombele given a go there.

Ndombele needs to do a lot more running if he wants to play in Dele's position. Dele might be going through a rough patch but he constantly makes runs beyond Kane, pulling defenders away. Do you trust Ndombele to do the same week in week out? I don't. There is more to football than having ability and passing.

 

[wrd]

I quoted public facts about his dress and demeanor and I’m an intolerant ignorant bigot by your description...

I think your post and educational philosophy you’re imparting to your children is misguided, color blind and simply wrong mindey evangelical- I wish you luck in educating them for their future as I wish myself on mine, but I couldn’t disagree more with the responses on here and don’t care to debate the point further in the midst of the present culture riots.

I’m sorry that people cannot see just how reactionary and soapbox they’re being and how ‘Ghetto’ though racially loaded is not an expletive or racist word requiing being expunged from the English language in the context of debating an athletes professionalism. Call me a racist and ban me if that is where societies now at but insinuations of a 1000 cuts are a fa more insidious way of fighting a culture war.

Im sorry that I don’t have the ability to source the ITK I referenced at present, but as the almighty is my witness it will certainly be found by someone who cares enough to search ( I don’t).

I can both notice N’Dombelle’s apparently, ‘respectful disposition interpersonally‘ with the simultaneous contradictories like dress, presentation, social media presence, entourage and background pr team and how this will affect our (happily) old school managers judgement paradigm. Im sorry I don’t care if you’re insensitive to the rebellious energy detrimental to team building that a certain dress and ‘energy’ invokes but even now mine still remains a legitimate perspective - I.e. that dressing in a way that’s uniquely outside of the cultural norm amongst your colleagues can be perceived as arrogant incongruity and egotism-qualities detrimental to success in a team sport which exposes the weakest links in a group. Dressing down at the weekend isn’t ok for a highly paid and driven professional whose every action should be discrete and developmental if the target is to reach the Balon dor level. Compare the public persona of the very best Messi and Ronaldo with the not quite make its like Nemar for example.

The idea that the beanie for example ( which he wears sitting on the bench rain or shine) is some exercise tool to generate extra sweat and is a symbol of his workrate and commitment is beyond ridiculous both as a practical idea and as a credulity question from its exponents. Whether intended as such or not it’s a statement of differerence with everyone else in the squad which rightly or not invites questions as to his commitment to the group. People not seeing this aren’t being ‘woke’ but wak Imo. I’m done with this now and won’t be responding further because I’ve more important thing to do than debate the obvious on the internet. Have a great summer y’all

Yes compare the perception indeed.

 

[thecook]

With some of the stuff Tom Davies wears god knows what this bloke thinks of him.

 

[mugpunt]

Properly depressing.

You saw he was wearing a hat and tracksuit in the middle of summer and immediately jumped to the conclusion that it was 'ghetto' and indicative of a bad attitude. In every photo of him out of training I've seen he dresses very similar to plenty of other footballers.

Maybe he's actually trying to lose weight by wearing extra clothes in the heat as someone suggested. Since when was a spurs tracksuit and a black beanie much of a statement anyway?

Either way it was a massive leap to make, and if the club thought his clothing was detrimental to his training he sure as fuck wouldn't be allowed to wear it.

I did, others better than me have too...

Excluding yourself from group norms is...as was buddy buddying with a known adversary like Pogba right after he’s likely cheated us out of our season

I’m also concerned about his tone deafness and the noises from the reliable French press

 

[dontcallme]

With some of the stuff Tom Davies wears god knows what this bloke thinks of him.

My guess is he sees no issue with it.

 

[mugpunt]

Mug by name, Mug by nature.

Personal insults are the last resort of the empty

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

Ndombele needs to do a lot more running if he wants to play in Dele's position. Dele might be going through a rough patch but he constantly makes runs beyond Kane, pulling defenders away. Do you trust Ndombele to do the same week in week out? I don't. There is more to football than having ability and passing.

A player doesn’t have to play like Dele to play in Dele’s position, though. We’d certainly lose work rate and off the ball movement if Ndombele took that ‘position’ but might gain other aspects. Won’t know if we don’t try.

 

[punkisback]

I quoted public facts about his dress and demeanor and I’m an intolerant ignorant bigot by your description...

I think your post and educational philosophy you’re imparting to your children is misguided, color blind and simply wrong mindey evangelical- I wish you luck in educating them for their future as I wish myself on mine, but I couldn’t disagree more with the responses on here and don’t care to debate the point further in the midst of the present culture riots.

I’m sorry that people cannot see just how reactionary and soapbox they’re being and how ‘Ghetto’ though racially loaded is not an expletive or racist word requiing being expunged from the English language in the context of debating an athletes professionalism. Call me a racist and ban me if that is where societies now at but insinuations of a 1000 cuts are a fa more insidious way of fighting a culture war.

Im sorry that I don’t have the ability to source the ITK I referenced at present, but as the almighty is my witness it will certainly be found by someone who cares enough to search ( I don’t).

I can both notice N’Dombelle’s apparently, ‘respectful disposition interpersonally‘ with the simultaneous contradictories like dress, presentation, social media presence, entourage and background pr team and how this will affect our (happily) old school managers judgement paradigm. Im sorry I don’t care if you’re insensitive to the rebellious energy detrimental to team building that a certain dress and ‘energy’ invokes but even now mine still remains a legitimate perspective - I.e. that dressing in a way that’s uniquely outside of the cultural norm amongst your colleagues can be perceived as arrogant incongruity and egotism-qualities detrimental to success in a team sport which exposes the weakest links in a group. Dressing down at the weekend isn’t ok for a highly paid and driven professional whose every action should be discrete and developmental if the target is to reach the Balon dor level. Compare the public persona of the very best Messi and Ronaldo with the not quite make its like Nemar for example.

The idea that the beanie for example ( which he wears sitting on the bench rain or shine) is some exercise tool to generate extra sweat and is a symbol of his workrate and commitment is beyond ridiculous both as a practical idea and as a credulity question from its exponents. Whether intended as such or not it’s a statement of differerence with everyone else in the squad which rightly or not invites questions as to his commitment to the group. People not seeing this aren’t being ‘woke’ but wak Imo. I’m done with this now and won’t be responding further because I’ve more important thing to do than debate the obvious on the internet. Have a great summer y’all

Bullshit! Look at his social media presence and all you see is football! You're perpetuating a racial stereotype and getting mad when people are calling you out on it

 

[mugpunt]

Well, you've certainly doubled down.

I respect that you don't want to debate this, but as an open forum I think we need to dismantle some of what you said for people that may just stumble upon it.

Ronaldo and Messi look absolutely insane. Bodies covered in tattoos. All they prove is that bored people spend money on jewelry and body art, because why not. Ronaldo is incredibly vain. He's arrogant. But he backs it up. Also works hard and is in great condition. Bringing them into this actually disapproves you're quite odd sartorial point.

Neymar is just a party boy, we all know them. That's what holds him back. Or is the inference that him being 'ghetto' holds him back?

You really should have stopped at discussing his actual issues which appear to be mental fragility, introversion and questionable work rate. They're also things that are changeable. If you learn a second language you're actual personality changes when talking in it because you're less confident in it and you're vocabularyis smaller. Confidence isn't a constant. And work rate comes from buying into an ethos. He'll adapt or be sold. I hope the former as I think he's got the parts of the game you can't easily coach into a player.

I mean, I can't even be bothered to go into the rest of it.

Sometimes it's best to reflect on what you say rather than going all in a doubling down. I get stuff wrong all the time, learning to take criticism on board is an important life skill. It's not about being a snowflake, or woke, it's just about being open minded, empathic and humble.

Nice post. I disagree fundamentally with the premise but it’s was well argued at least. I think that dressing outside of the crowd in the workplace is detrimental to integrating with it, its a simple and self evident point and I think it stands to scrutiny in the cases of Ronaldo and Messi v the next tier. I really must go now though.

 

[Typical Spurs]

He may of been wearing layers to sweat some extra weight

You saw he was wearing a hat and tracksuit in the middle of summer and immediately jumped to the conclusion that it was 'ghetto' and indicative of a bad attitude. In every photo of him out of training I've seen he dresses very similar to plenty of other footballers.

Maybe he's actually trying to lose weight by wearing extra clothes in the heat as someone suggested. Since when was a spurs tracksuit and a black beanie much of a statement anyway?

Either way it was a massive leap to make, and if the club thought his clothing was detrimental to his training he sure as fuck wouldn't be allowed to wear it.

Completely agree. Couldn't give a shit what anyone wears, least of all footballers whom other than playing for the team I support, have nil relevance in my life.

However, and I've seen a few mention it, if after 10 months he is indeed wearing extra clothing to lose weight then he deserves to be nowhere near the first 11.

I'm also amazed that people demand he starts. We've seen glimpses of sheer magic that are massively over shadowed by his unreal lack of natural fitness and his lack of effort. Its not perceived lack of effort either. Chelsea away, got hit late a couple of times and was completely lost after that. Wolves at home, came on late on could not be arsed to track their winger back (when Winks was busting a gut to get back after getting beat), Hiding all half against Burnley. This ain't Ligue 1 where the majority of teams would not finish in the top 6 in the championship. The prem is competitive.

He needs to take a leaf out of Sissoko's book. Ndombele is a million times more gifted with a ball at his feet. But effort and determination not only carry individuals but carry the team and the crowd. Sissoko would literally put his body on the line for spurs. He tackles, tracks back, is determined. So for all his misplaced passes, dodgy control, awful finishing (especially early on in his career) he does a really important job for the team.

We don't really know what's happening. But if his effort in training is anything like his effort or complete lack of fitness in games, then I'd rather the fucking kit man play.

 

[Gingernut]

I did and as I’ve since seen I’m far from alone in my association (about him and ‘plenty of other footballers) and whatever people want to say it doesn’t make us or our conclusions racist or racially insensitive...

Sorry to break this to you but by using the word 'Ghetto' in your interpretation of his attire/attitude - you are making a stereotypical racially insensitive conclusion.

 

[wrd]

Nice post. I disagree fundamentally with the premise but it’s was well argued at least. I think that dressing outside of the crowd in the workplace is detrimental to integrating with it, its a simple and self evident point and I think it stands to scrutiny in the cases of Ronaldo and Messi v the next tier. I really must go now though.

Late for the rally?

 

[Timberwolf]

I did, others better than me have too...

Excluding yourself from group norms is...as was buddy buddying with a known adversary like Pogba right after he’s likely cheated us out of our season

I’m also concerned about his tone deafness and the noises from the reliable French press

Ok, so those doubts sound fairly legitimate. It's just when your start jumping to conclusions about his personality and background based on very little in the way of evidence that people, understandably, get pissed off.

 

[mugpunt]

Sorry to break this to you but by using the word 'Ghetto' in your interpretation of his attire/attitude - you are making a stereotypical racially insensitive conclusion.

Which still doesn’t make ME racist or racially insensitive- I believe based on the preponderance of evidence I’ve seen that this stereotype in this case is accurate...might be wrong in my conclusion but it being a stereotype doesn’t make it illegitimate discourse. Generalities must often be relied upon to make meaningful conversation

 

[SpunkyBackpack]

Get rid of the lot of them i say. Who do they think they are? Tupac?

 

[thecook]

Welcome to the Tottenham Hotspur stadium for today's game, Jose Mourinho's Crips versus Mikel Arteta's Bloods.