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Trotter

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Yes and no. I guess your implication is that Levy should've sold him back then rather than risk losing him for free now, but the other side of the coin is that if we had sold him then we may have missed out on top 4/CL qualification and we probably wouldn't have got to the CL final, so the cost of those things may have been greater than the cost of not getting a transfer fee for him.

Also can you imagine the meltdown on here if we'd sold Eriksen? "I thought we weren't a selling club any more, nothing has change" etc. etc. It's a bit of a no-win situation for Levy to be honest.


Exactly. I don't mind that we didn't sell him, we quite possibly would not have gained Champions League football again without him.
But to say there was nothing the club could have done about situation now is totally disingenuous, as clearly we could have accepted one of the offers that were made for him last summer, but chose not to.
 

Shadydan

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And when he didn't sign it that should set off the alarm bells, and "huge" offers that apparently came in should have been entertained, if we wanted to get a return. We didn't entertain, so our fault the situation is as it is now.

Huge is subjective though, no one knows what the offer was, so his agent may say think an offer is acceptable for his client, what if it was below our market value? By all means you can believe what a football agents says in order to protect his client but I think you're a bit naive if you do that - again going by the club's recent past behavior in dealing with contracts they've done some good work when it comes to other players so I don't suddenly see why this should be on the club.
 

Shadydan

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Exactly. I don't mind that we didn't sell him, we quite possibly would not have gained Champions League football again without him.
But to say there was nothing the club could have done about situation now is totally disingenuous, as clearly we could have accepted one of the offers that were made for him last summer, but chose not to.

Well we clearly could have sold him but that would have put us back, if we hadn't made CL football what do you think the ramifications would have been off the back of that?
 

Trotter

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Well we clearly could have sold him but that would have put us back, if we hadn't made CL football what do you think the ramifications would have been off the back of that?

As I say I am happy we chose not sell him at the time, and could well have got money back, as feel that we would not have CL football to watch this season if he wasn't playing last.

But to say in one breath that we decided not to sell him, and then in another breath blame him rather than the club, that he now holds all the cards and can go for nothing in 4 months time when the club decided not to cash in when it could (and it was aware at the time that Eriksen was not prepared to sign a new contract), is hypocritical.
 

'O Zio

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Exactly. I don't mind that we didn't sell him, we quite possibly would not have gained Champions League football again without him.
But to say there was nothing the club could have done about situation now is totally disingenuous, as clearly we could have accepted one of the offers that were made for him last summer, but chose not to.

Alright but I feel like you're being a bit pedantic there mate. Yes technically there were things we could have done in the sense that we could've sold him, but like I say that would've probably been a worse situation than what we have now. If something's a bad option then it may as well not be an option at all. When people say there's nothing we could've done they obviously mean there's nothing we could've done that was a good/viable alternative, not that there was physically nothing Levy could do.
 

Trotter

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Alright but I feel like you're being a bit pedantic there mate. Yes technically there were things we could have done in the sense that we could've sold him, but like I say that would've probably been a worse situation than what we have now. If something's a bad option then it may as well not be an option at all. When people say there's nothing we could've done they obviously mean there's nothing we could've done that was a good/viable alternative, not that there was physically nothing Levy could do.

Of course there was a good/viable option.
Sold him last summer for a lot of money, and adequately replace him, and potentially also strengthen other areas of the team with the money also.
But that was not the course we chose.
 

'O Zio

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Of course there was a good/viable option.
Sold him last summer for a lot of money, and adequately replace him, and potentially also strengthen other areas of the team with the money also.
But that was not the course we chose.

Easy to say, much harder to do. We went down that route with Walker 3 years ago and we still haven't really recovered. And Eriksen is much more important to us and plays a much more crucial position than Walker did, so the impact would likely be even bigger.
 

allatsea

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Yes i get that, but if you listen carefully to Pochs comments yesterday, the issues seem to be about strategy not players not moving.
Levy and Poch seem to have sorted out whatever was bothering Poch, and it can only be DL accepting we must not allow contracts to run down.
I’ll say it again Levy does not have the final say with players running their contracts down. The players do. There is nothing Levy can do if a player is running his contract down and refuses to be transferred.
 

Shadydan

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As I say I am happy we chose not sell him at the time, and could well have got money back, as feel that we would not have CL football to watch this season if he wasn't playing last.

But to say in one breath that we decided not to sell him, and then in another breath blame him rather than the club, that he now holds all the cards and can go for nothing in 4 months time when the club decided not to cash in when it could (and it was aware at the time that Eriksen was not prepared to sign a new contract), is hypocritical.

If a player has every intention to run their contract down and doesn't want to leave what can the club ultimately do?
 

Ronwol196061

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"Post-truth is a philosophical and political concept that refers to "the disappearance of shared objective standards for truth” and the “circuitous slippage between facts or alt-facts, knowledge, opinion, belief, and truth....
...circumstances in which objective facts are less influential in shaping public opinion than appeals to emotion and personal belief. "

Can you believe it? Football is meant to be about entertainment and opinions and he is post-truthing us. Don't we get enough of that already?

By his own rules, he is allowed his own truth if we win, not when we lose. I hope he is telling us some real whoppers post match tomorrow.

Thanks for bringing up 'Post Truth' Hadn't heard of it before so have been checking it out
 

Trotter

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I’ll say it again Levy does not have the final say with players running their contracts down. The players do. There is nothing Levy can do if a player is running his contract down and refuses to be transferred.

There is nothing to suggest Eriksen was not willing to be transferred last season, in fact quite the opposite.
I would happily accept the statement “there is nothing that Levy can do about it now, because of the prior years conscious decision the club made", and arguably that benefitted us by achieving our goals last season, but will not accept the “there was nothing Levy could do about it” narrative as clearly there was
 
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Lighty64

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Exactly this. Eriksen is clearly gambling on Real or Barca coming in for him if (when) he becomes a free agent, so why would he agree to be sold elsewhere or sign a new contract with us? He holds all the power until the day both Barca and Real decide they don't want him after all.

the only way he gets a move to either of them is performing like a magician. even though his stats last season was good (imagine if he was on form) but play like last season neither will be interested. to be totally honest in December if the bookies have a price for him to be at Juventus come next September, that would be my bet. RM and Barca are not renowned for buying 28yr olds
 

ostrov

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There's something I don't like at all in Poch's answers to these two questions from today. He keeps saying about refocusing, hence he admits to lost focus. But when? I reckon the whole club was affected when moved to Wembley, then world cup, then self-inflicted transfer embargo, then injuries and so on up until now. Of course, it will all be positive if the situation changes for the better.

You said you were going to have a party when the window closed, have you enjoyed the weeks since?

Not really, not really. I didn't enjoy it too much. We were preparing. We were working, reviewing a lot of things, planning, talking. A strange period, a weird period, that wasn't about having a party or enjoying. It was more about refocusing again on the competition and making a plan to provide the best tools for the team.

Do you feel less frustrated now you have no uncertainty around the squad?

Now, for sure, it was so important to be refocused. The conversation today altogether now is the squad we are going to have until January, when the rumours will appear again and different situation. It was very good to talk today for nearly one hour and refocus again on our objective. To be clear in our minds, to think that the most important is the collective and start to put outside individual situations, all together again and try to create a dynamic and be strong and starting winning games. That's the most important thing for us now.
 

Japhet

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There's something I don't like at all in Poch's answers to these two questions from today. He keeps saying about refocusing, hence he admits to lost focus. But when? I reckon the whole club was affected when moved to Wembley, then world cup, then self-inflicted transfer embargo, then injuries and so on up until now. Of course, it will all be positive if the situation changes for the better.

You said you were going to have a party when the window closed, have you enjoyed the weeks since?

Not really, not really. I didn't enjoy it too much. We were preparing. We were working, reviewing a lot of things, planning, talking. A strange period, a weird period, that wasn't about having a party or enjoying. It was more about refocusing again on the competition and making a plan to provide the best tools for the team.

Do you feel less frustrated now you have no uncertainty around the squad?

Now, for sure, it was so important to be refocused. The conversation today altogether now is the squad we are going to have until January, when the rumours will appear again and different situation. It was very good to talk today for nearly one hour and refocus again on our objective. To be clear in our minds, to think that the most important is the collective and start to put outside individual situations, all together again and try to create a dynamic and be strong and starting winning games. That's the most important thing for us now.


I can only see positive stuff in what he said. In essence, we've come through a difficult few weeks with lots of distractions, but now those distractions are gone and it's time to concentrate fully on the job at hand. I don't have any problem with that.
 

ostrov

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I can only see positive stuff in what he said. In essence, we've come through a difficult few weeks with lots of distractions, but now those distractions are gone and it's time to concentrate fully on the job at hand. I don't have any problem with that.
If you take only a few weeks then yes but I trace lost focus for the last two seasons with the drop in points and less pressing style. It's just me analysing the pieces why we've been poor performance-wise recently.
 

Shadydan

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There's something I don't like at all in Poch's answers to these two questions from today. He keeps saying about refocusing, hence he admits to lost focus. But when? I reckon the whole club was affected when moved to Wembley, then world cup, then self-inflicted transfer embargo, then injuries and so on up until now. Of course, it will all be positive if the situation changes for the better.

You said you were going to have a party when the window closed, have you enjoyed the weeks since?

Not really, not really. I didn't enjoy it too much. We were preparing. We were working, reviewing a lot of things, planning, talking. A strange period, a weird period, that wasn't about having a party or enjoying. It was more about refocusing again on the competition and making a plan to provide the best tools for the team.

Do you feel less frustrated now you have no uncertainty around the squad?

Now, for sure, it was so important to be refocused. The conversation today altogether now is the squad we are going to have until January, when the rumours will appear again and different situation. It was very good to talk today for nearly one hour and refocus again on our objective. To be clear in our minds, to think that the most important is the collective and start to put outside individual situations, all together again and try to create a dynamic and be strong and starting winning games. That's the most important thing for us now.

He looks fine to me, better than he was anyway.

 

Ronwol196061

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There's something I don't like at all in Poch's answers to these two questions from today. He keeps saying about refocusing, hence he admits to lost focus. But when? I reckon the whole club was affected when moved to Wembley, then world cup, then self-inflicted transfer embargo, then injuries and so on up until now. Of course, it will all be positive if the situation changes for the better.

You said you were going to have a party when the window closed, have you enjoyed the weeks since?

Not really, not really. I didn't enjoy it too much. We were preparing. We were working, reviewing a lot of things, planning, talking. A strange period, a weird period, that wasn't about having a party or enjoying. It was more about refocusing again on the competition and making a plan to provide the best tools for the team.

Do you feel less frustrated now you have no uncertainty around the squad?

Now, for sure, it was so important to be refocused. The conversation today altogether now is the squad we are going to have until January, when the rumours will appear again and different situation. It was very good to talk today for nearly one hour and refocus again on our objective. To be clear in our minds, to think that the most important is the collective and start to put outside individual situations, all together again and try to create a dynamic and be strong and starting winning games. That's the most important thing for us now.

Poch can be very intense both on the up side and the down side, that's how he operates. He is very reactionary. He also changes his mood quickly which is not bad.
Klopp I think is a lot lighter he will enjoy the moments but not get too heavy on the downside.
Poch brings a lot of pressure, Klopp I think less so
There's good and bad in both cases
 

SugarRay

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I get the feeling that if we start playing good football and winning games regularly again, his mood will improve massively.

We have to string a few good wins together to get rid of the negative feeling around the club, it’s that simple
 

spursfan77

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I get the feeling that if we start playing good football and winning games regularly again, his mood will improve massively.

We have to string a few good wins together to get rid of the negative feeling around the club, it’s that simple

Yep, it’s simple really.

I suspect the palace game we be close, it always is when we play them, but if we win we really need to build on it and get a string of wins together.
 
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