Premier League 2019–?

[Mate]

Table based on expected points makes interesting reading

№	Team	M	W	D	L	G	GA	PTS	xG	xGA	xPTS
№	Team	M	W	D	L	G	GA	PTS	xG	xGA	xPTS
2	Manchester City	38	26	3	9	102	35	81	102.21+0.21	37.00+2.00	86.76+5.76
1	Liverpool	38	32	3	3	85	33	99	75.19-9.81	39.57+6.57	74.28-24.72
4	Chelsea	38	20	6	12	69	54	66	76.23+7.23	41.09-12.91	73.49+7.49
3	Manchester United	38	18	12	8	66	36	66	66.19+0.19	38.06+2.06	70.99+4.99
7	Wolverhampton Wanderers	38	15	14	9	51	40	59	54.22+3.22	37.39-2.61	63.82+4.82
5	Leicester	38	18	8	12	67	41	62	61.02-5.98	47.89+6.89	61.16-0.84
11	Southampton	38	15	7	16	51	60	52	56.50+5.50	56.59-3.41	56.87+4.87
12	Everton	38	13	10	15	44	56	49	53.71+9.71	49.21-6.79	55.78+6.78
8	Arsenal	38	14	14	10	56	48	56	50.82-5.18	57.25+9.25	50.15-5.85
10	Burnley	38	15	9	14	43	50	54	49.35+6.35	53.84+3.84	49.54-4.46
9	Sheffield United	38	14	12	12	39	39	54	45.81+6.81	52.04+13.04	49.34-4.66
6	Tottenham	38	16	11	11	61	47	59	49.02-11.98	54.13+7.13	49.26-9.74
15	Brighton	38	9	14	15	39	54	41	47.42+8.42	60.42+6.42	48.02+7.02
19	Watford	38	8	10	20	36	64	34	48.56+12.56	59.53-4.47	47.87+13.87
18	Bournemouth	38	9	7	22	40	65	34	44.67+4.67	63.29-1.71	39.20+5.20
16	West Ham	38	10	9	19	49	62	39	49.07+0.07	68.32+6.32	38.75-0.25
14	Crystal Palace	38	11	10	17	31	50	43	34.45+3.45	57.39+7.39	38.26-4.74
17	Aston Villa	38	9	8	21	41	67	35	45.09+4.09	71.60+4.60	37.23+2.23
20	Norwich	38	5	6	27	26	75	21	37.23+11.23	71.61-3.39	33.12+12.12
13	Newcastle United	38	11	11	16	38	58	44	36.49-1.51	67.03+9.03	31.92-12.08

This table gives me two feelings:

1) Bruce has done a hell of a job at Newcastle
2) Likewise Hasenhuttl at Southampton. I think he's the next manager who can really make an impact at a bigger club (a la Poch?)

 

[emiley heskey]

Most tackles made in the 2019/20 Premier League season:
? Wan-Bissaka (129)
? Ndidi (129)
? Pereira (119)
? Rice (115)
? Moutinho (93)
? Aurier (93)
? Ward-Prowse (92)
? Jonny (91)
? McArthur (88)
?? Azpilicueta (86)
https://mobile.twitter.com/Squawka/status/1287805953333768198/photo/1

 

[emiley heskey]

James Maddison has created more chances in the Premier League than any other player since the start of last season:
❍ 178 chances created
❍ 166 fouls won
❍ 157 shots attempted
❍ 101 take-ons completed
❍ 13 goals
❍ 10 assists

 

[spursfan77]

James Maddison has created more chances in the Premier League than any other player since the start of last season:
❍ 178 chances created
❍ 166 fouls won
❍ 157 shots attempted
❍ 101 take-ons completed
❍ 13 goals
❍ 10 assists

Only 10 assists though. The quality of chance must have been pretty shit!

 

[Saoirse]

Cardiff vs Fulham just kicked off. I think I want whoever wins this to win the final; either would be much easier to get away tickets for than Brentford or Swansea.

 

[Amo]

Do Sheffield have grounds for legal action? And if they did, what are the views on this forum around the ethical aspects of legal and/or institutional rectification? It could be there's a legal but not ethical case, or vice versa.

Given the that it's the only failure in 9000 matches, and the fact Hawk Eye have released a statement admitting fault, does this make the case yesterday different from other mistaken decisions that cost games/points? Does the empirical certainty of this fault make it different to, say, an interpretive refereeing decision on a foul or card?

You've used a lot of words for "they was robbed". Legal action for what? If the goal had been given, Villa would've changed how they played the remainder of the game. You can't go back after games and start handing goals out. That said, because of the glaringness of the error, I thought they might come out after half-time and give them the goal before proceeding (but even that probably isn't possible).

It sucks for Sheffield United - especially if those 2 points end up costing them a Europa/CL place - but it was just a freak occurrence, I've never once seen the goal-line tech fail.

Bournemouth to discuss claim against Hawk-Eye for ghost goal during Aston Villa vs Sheffield United

Hawk-Eye released statement apologising after goal-line technology system failed to detect Aston Villas goalkeeper Orjan Nyland had carried ball over line

www.skysports.com

 

[glacierSpurs]

Bournemouth to discuss claim against Hawk-Eye for ghost goal during Aston Villa vs Sheffield United

Hawk-Eye released statement apologising after goal-line technology system failed to detect Aston Villas goalkeeper Orjan Nyland had carried ball over line

www.skysports.com

Wow, truly robbed off millions. Rather Bournmouth stay up than Villa.

But this really disgusted me:

Why didn't VAR step in?
A statement from the PGMOL said: "Under the IFAB protocol, the VAR is able to check goal situations, however due to the fact that the on-field match officials did not receive a signal, and the unique nature of that, the VAR did not intervene."

Have no idea WTF VAR is for if errors are not corrected if its sole purpose of existence is to cut out human mistakes. FFS.

 

[philll]

That one really pissed me off, you'd think VAR would take a quick look at at least 1 replay of all goals (or tight no-goals as in this case) just to make sure nothing was missed. The maddening thing is that, if it had been given as a goal by the linesman, it would've been checked and confirmed as one by VAR.

Bournemouth to discuss claim against Hawk-Eye for ghost goal during Aston Villa vs Sheffield United

Hawk-Eye released statement apologising after goal-line technology system failed to detect Aston Villas goalkeeper Orjan Nyland had carried ball over line

www.skysports.com

Good luck to them but Hawk-eye is bound to have a line in their t's and c's about how they're not responsible for mistakes etc.

And I maintain that, although that was a shit decision (or a failure of technology that wasn't caught because people implicitly trusted the technology - despite its providers never claiming it was 100% accurate), it's simply not possibly to "prove" that a change of that result would've kept Bournemouth up and they therefore don't have grounds to claim compensation because that decision went against them.

 

[Tucker]

I remember thinking that it really stank when VAR didn’t step in on that non goal. They either didn’t WANT to get involved, or bottled the decision imo. Either way for a professional referee it’s pretty inexcusable.

 

[rossdapep]

TV Money

I was speaking to a club president here in Portugal the other day and we got talking aboit COVID and how it's affecting their club.

He told me that they are planning on streaming games live on a website and having fans pay €1 to watch it. He then told me Flamengo have done the same in Brazil. They will now stream games on their YT channel and ask for €2 or a package. Been signed off by the Brazilian government.

Flamengo have millions of fans all around the world as many Brazilians have moved to other countries. They believe each game should rack in €2m or so.

I wonder if this is something clubs need to look at??

Sure. The PL and TV companies will have rights over the majority of games but they can't show all of them. So what if they allowed 10 games or so per PL club to be made available for streaming on their platforms? Fans get to watch the game legally and the clubs can make a healthy amount of money to go someway to make up for gate receipts.

 

[al_pacino]

Bournemouth can challenge but they are happy for the point they got against Spurs when the penalty wasn't given.

Who knows what would've happened in either game had the correct decision been given at the time.

 

[glacierSpurs]

TV Money

I was speaking to a club president here in Portugal the other day and we got talking aboit COVID and how it's affecting their club.

He told me that they are planning on streaming games live on a website and having fans pay €1 to watch it. He then told me Flamengo have done the same in Brazil. They will now stream games on their YT channel and ask for €2 or a package. Been signed off by the Brazilian government.

Flamengo have millions of fans all around the world as many Brazilians have moved to other countries. They believe each game should rack in €2m or so.

I wonder if this is something clubs need to look at??

Sure. The PL and TV companies will have rights over the majority of games but they can't show all of them. So what if they allowed 10 games or so per PL club to be made available for streaming on their platforms? Fans get to watch the game legally and the clubs can make a healthy amount of money to go someway to make up for gate receipts.

I would love that move. For overseas fans like me who are not spending on their gate receipts even in normal times would at least be allowing the clubs to earn something out from the local fans. I for one are not spending ridiculous subscription to my local sports cable channels just to watch Spurs matches. A couple of dollars per match streamed HD+ live free of lag or ads, and most importantly, legally, would be fabulous.

 

[chrissivad]

TV Money

I was speaking to a club president here in Portugal the other day and we got talking aboit COVID and how it's affecting their club.

He told me that they are planning on streaming games live on a website and having fans pay €1 to watch it. He then told me Flamengo have done the same in Brazil. They will now stream games on their YT channel and ask for €2 or a package. Been signed off by the Brazilian government.

Flamengo have millions of fans all around the world as many Brazilians have moved to other countries. They believe each game should rack in €2m or so.

I wonder if this is something clubs need to look at??

Sure. The PL and TV companies will have rights over the majority of games but they can't show all of them. So what if they allowed 10 games or so per PL club to be made available for streaming on their platforms? Fans get to watch the game legally and the clubs can make a healthy amount of money to go someway to make up for gate receipts.

It's happening in Scotland as well.
Season ticket holders can watch the games, and everyone else can pay for the games they want to watch.
Prices up to £20 a game (only Livingston are charging that) but some clubs as low as £12

Rangers and Celtic haven't confirmed if they will take part in this

 

[philll]

Nathan Ake could leave Bournemouth for cut-price fee as defender has no relegation clause in contract

Chelsea have a £40m buy back option but it is unlikely that Bournemouth will get near that as they cannot afford to keep the high earner

www.telegraph.co.uk

Crumbs.

 

[Marty]

Nathan Ake could leave Bournemouth for cut-price fee as defender has no relegation clause in contract

Chelsea have a £40m buy back option but it is unlikely that Bournemouth will get near that as they cannot afford to keep the high earner

www.telegraph.co.uk

Crumbs.

Fire sale incoming or else they risk doing a Sunderland.

 

[chrissivad]

Nathan Ake could leave Bournemouth for cut-price fee as defender has no relegation clause in contract

Chelsea have a £40m buy back option but it is unlikely that Bournemouth will get near that as they cannot afford to keep the high earner

www.telegraph.co.uk

Crumbs.

Will be why the prices quoted for some of their players are quite low. Need to shift them to reduce the wage bill

 

[Saoirse]

 

[philll]

Will be why the prices quoted for some of their players are quite low. Need to shift them to reduce the wage bill

True. I'm not familiar with how often relegation clauses appear in contracts but this strikes me as either a total lack of foresight or hubris that they thought they wouldn't need them.

 

[Laboog]

True. I'm not familiar with how often relegation clauses appear in contracts but this strikes me as either a total lack of foresight or hubris that they thought they wouldn't need them.

The Athletic had an article last week about relegated sides and how it impacts them going down. The smart clubs put clauses in that wages decrease about 50% if they are relegated but there are a handful that do not have those clauses and it kills them. Offloading players the season they are relegated also helps the club save jobs behind the scenes.

1 players wage for the year could cover 100 staff works wages for the year was one example. The parachute payments help but removing the highest earners is the best way to save jobs, reduce cost and rebuild quickly.

 

[al_pacino]

They were discussing Bournemouth on the radio last night basically saying how they have invested all the PL money on the pitch. They are going down with the same stadium and a crappy training ground. They are leaving the league no better off than when they joined it.