Premier League officially postponed until 17th of June

Maxtremist

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The being away from family thing isn't too much drama, most of the PL players would have been heading off to the Euros anyway so wouldn't have been seeing much of their families regardless.

Injuries shouldn't put any pressure on the NHS at all really, the concern is the virus being caught and spreading during any camp. However, there are ways to limit the chance of that happening greatly. If all staff, officials, broadcasters and players are tested, cleared and isolated in this camp a couple of weeks before coming into contact with each other then that should remove almost all risk. Once this camp starts they shouldn't come into contact with anyone outside it.

If the entire camp is tested, virus free and healthy before it begins, they should be safe providing they are strict about not coming into contact with anyone outside of it. It is doable.

I know it's a simplistic view but if you test everyone, ensure they're all negative and put them together two weeks later after another test the risk would be almost completely removed if there's no outside contact.
For the Euros, a lot of their family would have travelled with them to some degree/they'd have some level of freedom to not be in one building for 6 weeks without any chance to not be there etc... That's not a similar comparison. Not to mention the fact that you have to add on the obvious mental health drain of knowing (if they did this) you're playing football during a pandemic. The fact we already have articles and sources saying players aren't feeling it shows signs of that.

Yeah, you can limit the chances of catching the virus but you can't stop it completely. So maybe not a full on tax/drain on the NHS but it's still a factor.

As for testing, the biggest issue with testing is how quickly the results can come in and the fact that (I believe) you can be tested and show up as negative but still have it. The testing is flawed. Obviously testing is better than no testing but it's not 100% accurate.

Then just the moral/logistic issue that the UK is doing awful when it comes to testing in general. We're well below the 100,000 Hancock promised at the start of the month. The NHS and our frontline workers will need tests first well before we start to even consider testing our footballers.

And then okay, you test the teams and you realise Harry Kane has it. So he has to self isolate. So do we play without him? Count it as an injury? Or he went to training and tested positive with it. Now the whole Tottenham team has to self isolate. Do you play the other games in the league and let the Tottenham games build up?

I personally don't think we're ready to play behind closed doors. With where the UK is at with testing, tracing etc... I do not think we're able to handle any of this. In a wonderfully simplistic world view yes, you just put everyone in a neutral location for 6 weeks and play it out but I think the reality of that just does not work.
 

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This is why I have a problem with how people are responding to this. You're making fair points but they don't strictly apply to the problem (as we were discussing it - see Mr. Pink's lack of content) and so it almost starts to become a form of moralizing. Which really irks me because this is the kind of mechanism that is being used to shift scrutiny and blame away from the government (who have mismanaged this on every level at every point in time) onto some guy sunbathing in the park. (I'm not saying you're doing that, just explaining why I'm sensitive to it)
I agree that this has been mismanaged, hence we are going to be the worst country in Europe in terms of deaths and yes the government does need to be scrutinised with their lack of planing and preparation. The people gathering at a park etc should not lead to non scrutiny of the government, however anyone breaking the rules, has to take responsibilties for their own actions, as that person could be a carrier, or could get infected.

For example, you ask why should football be given tests when they are needed elsewhere - But it's surely going to be the case that won't happen. No one wants that to happen. If there's not a glut of tests available by the time they're needed, then football won't happen. But by assuming there's this potential conflict, people are demonising football and anyone who would be making such plans - despite that everyone everywhere is making such plans.
Yes, I agree with that, but the supposed date of start of June, players would be needed to be tested before entering training team training etc. Whilst testing has been ramped up, I dont believe it will be at the level required level to justify tests being done ahead of other in my opinion more essential businesses / organisations. I have no problems if it is the case that there are a glut of tests available nor I dont think anyone would.
 

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Remember the players will have been at home for months. I don't think it's the same as international tournies when they have only had a few weeks holidays after a full season.

I'm guessing even multimillionaires get bored of eating caviar infused quail eggs all day every day or what ever the hell they do.
 

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Gary Neville has proven what an actual twat he is throughout this pandemic. All he cares about is football's return. He's completely dissociated himself from what's going on with normal people.
He’s been one of the most vocal opponents of the plans to return, and has slammed clubs that have furloughed staff

Not to mention, as has been pointed out, he’s opened his hotels to health workers free of charge.

Are you sure you meant G Nev? :cautious:
 

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I’m starting to think this push to get the PL up and running again is part of the wider pressure that’s being applied to get the lockdown relaxed. Something doesn’t feel right about it to me.
 

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The thing with the lower league clubs is their cost base will reduce dramatically on 1st July. There are approximately 1000 expiring contracts so that is an average of 20 per club
I didn't realise the date had been openly discussed but I gave more info than just the date. Shit times when you give genuine info and some try and give you a hard time, that's why I took it down. It's no wonder some ITK get pissed off on here.
I had same issue. I know a player, been speaking almost every day since the virus closed football. told the board that players were going to force Levy to change his mind about furloughing staff, and they had refused to talk to him until they did. BSoDL jump on you, saying nonsense, claiming all sorts about having no sources, 2 days later, bang, he is forced to change his stance, and then all you get is well it was your source that was right, not you (how that is any different to other ITK I am still working out).
So I could tell the board about what the club suggested to the players, which players were OK with what board suggested initially, which players are dead against it, where negotiations stand, is there likely to be any agreement down the line, but I won't.
If the info you pass on is not the confirmation bias people want to hear, they jump on you, so advice, keep to yourself in future, and just smile to yourself when you see ridiculous things posted that you know are incorrect. (something I fail to do, I call out the idiotic postings)
 
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Whilst at first glance this sounds like a good idea, there are some real huge flaws to this plan.
  1. You would be moving 500+ people into a relatively confined area, in which they will all come into contact with each other at least once.
  2. The CVD-19 tests are not 100% accurate (and we all know they are nowhere near 100% accurate). Assuming 99% accuracy, you would on average have potential for at least 5 false results.
  3. We know that the symptoms don't manifest immediately and that some don't get symptoms at all, so we could not be certain of who has the disease or is carrying it.
  4. If a single player comes down with COVID-19 then the whole lot is off! Everyone they have played or come into contact with would have to go into self-isolation and the whole tournament would be decimated..........the money at stake for relegation is so immense that if I managed a team in the bottom three then I'd be extremely tempted to introduce the virus and ensure the season was called void.
 

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I personally don't think we're ready to play behind closed doors. With where the UK is at with testing, tracing etc... I do not think we're able to handle any of this. In a wonderfully simplistic world view yes, you just put everyone in a neutral location for 6 weeks and play it out but I think the reality of that just does not work.
This is a becoming a rather esoteric argument. If, as you say, theoretically it can be done, should they not pursue it?

You think it won't work but it's already being done by self-important people and businesses, not to mention how vulnerable groups and wards are being isolated together in a similar fashion. You're very confident it cannot happen, but there's no good a priori argument that would preclude them from trying, at least not yet.

I don't know whether they'll do it or not. But my feeling is that these people are not prepared to give up without a fight.
 

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The thing with the lower league clubs is their cost base will reduce dramatically on 1st July. There are approximately 1000 expiring contracts so that is an average of 20 per club


I had same issue. I know a player, been speaking almost every day since the virus closed football. told the board that players were going to force Levy to change his mind about furloughing staff, and they had refused to talk to him until they did. BSoDL jump on you, saying nonsense, claiming all sorts about having no sources, 2 days later, bang, he is forced to change his stance, and then all you get is well it was your source that was right, not you (how that is any different to other ITK I am still working out).
So I could tell the board about what the club suggested to the players, which players were OK with what board suggested initially, which players are dead against it, where negotiations stand, is there likely to be any agreement down the line, but I won't.
If the info you pass on is not the confirmation bias people want to hear, they jump on you, so advice, keep to yourself in future, and just smile to yourself when you see ridiculous things posted that you know are incorrect.
I'm not sure why you'd think that people would remain skeptical and possibly not want to believe some random person on the Internet, I don't get why that's a problem. You post something here great and thanks I guess but naturally some people just aren't going to believe what you say...both of you are acting as if people depend on your knowledge - seems like your own self importance and your ego taking a battering is far more important than some supposed insider information.
 

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Whilst at first glance this sounds like a good idea, there are some real huge flaws to this plan.
  1. You would be moving 500+ people into a relatively confined area, in which they will all come into contact with each other at least once.
  2. The CVD-19 tests are not 100% accurate (and we all know they are nowhere near 100% accurate). Assuming 99% accuracy, you would on average have potential for at least 5 false results.
  3. We know that the symptoms don't manifest immediately and that some don't get symptoms at all, so we could not be certain of who has the disease or is carrying it.
  4. If a single player comes down with COVID-19 then the whole lot is off! Everyone they have played or come into contact with would have to go into self-isolation and the whole tournament would be decimated..........the money at stake for relegation is so immense that if I managed a team in the bottom three then I'd be extremely tempted to introduce the virus and ensure the season was called void.
2. There are various testing strategies for different sitiuations. All of them take into account false positives/negatives.
3. Presumably people would be tested regularly so asymptomatic carriers would be identified. Plus a quarantine period beforehand should make any carriers non-infectious.
4. Not necessarily, you'd be able to track, trace and test very efficiently in that environment. If it had to be called off, so what? I suppose they'd try to decide whether it would be worth potential failure, it might be too expensive/embarassing to have it start then fail. + I'm not sure but If you intentionally infected someone I think you'll get a prison sentence!

Obviously the key factor is how many prostitutes they smuggle in.
 

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2. There are various testing strategies for different sitiuations. All of them take into account false positives/negatives.
3. Presumably people would be tested regularly so asymptomatic carriers would be identified. Plus a quarantine period beforehand should make any carriers non-infectious.
4. Not necessarily, you'd be able to track, trace and test very efficiently in that environment. If it had to be called off, so what? I suppose they'd try to decide whether it would be worth potential failure, it might be too expensive/embarassing to have it start then fail. + I'm not sure but If you intentionally infected someone I think you'll get a prison sentence!

Obviously the key factor is how many prostitutes they smuggle in.
And there's 'presumably' again. In every post you make.
 

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This is a becoming a rather esoteric argument. If, as you say, theoretically it can be done, should they not pursue it?

You think it won't work but it's already being done by self-important people and businesses, not to mention how vulnerable groups and wards are being isolated together in a similar fashion. You're very confident it cannot happen, but there's no good a priori argument that would preclude them from trying, at least not yet.

I don't know whether they'll do it or not. But my feeling is that these people are not prepared to give up without a fight.
I mean... the rest of my post literally outlined my reservations for it and issues with it. I don't truly think it can be done. At least not done safely. I think they can (and fear they will) try and do it almost regardless and then have to stop because they weren't prepared for everything/something else they weren't expecting came up.

The PL may not be prepared to give up without a fight but that's not always the smartest or wisest idea.They can look to try and do it but their issues will be the logistics of it (like the testing, what to happen if someone has it, how to deal with the players mental health and general well being etc...)
 

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PSG, who have now won their seventh French title in the last eight years, held a 12-point lead over second-placed Marseille when the season was suspended in March.


The French Professional Football League (LFP) ratified the decision at a meeting on Thursday, two days after French Prime Minister Edouard Philippe suspended sport in the country until at least September.

A points-per-game system, taking into account the performance of clubs in the matches already played, was used to determine the final standings in the Ligue 1 table.

Marseille have qualified directly for the Champions League while third-place Rennes will enter the qualifying rounds, with Toulouse and Amiens relegated.
 

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PSG, who have now won their seventh French title in the last eight years, held a 12-point lead over second-placed Marseille when the season was suspended in March.


The French Professional Football League (LFP) ratified the decision at a meeting on Thursday, two days after French Prime Minister Edouard Philippe suspended sport in the country until at least September.

A points-per-game system, taking into account the performance of clubs in the matches already played, was used to determine the final standings in the Ligue 1 table.

Marseille have qualified directly for the Champions League while third-place Rennes will enter the qualifying rounds, with Toulouse and Amiens relegated.
In some cases the PPG works, for example - Ligue 1. But that's simply because there are 8+ point differences between 4th-5th/ 17th-19th, etc.

The PL would not benefit from this as there are only slight differences (1 or 2 pts) between positions. You then get a situation where Team A has played all the big teams away from home and has an easier run-in, whereas Team B has a difficult run-in and hasn't travelled to the big teams yet. Making PPG utterly inaccurate.

Seen it time and time again where a team sat in 18th look doomed, when in fact they've played a lot more tougher games and they have to play a couple of teams drifting in midtable. They then win those games to stay up.

There's a reason why teams play each other twice, home and away.
 

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PSG, who have now won their seventh French title in the last eight years, held a 12-point lead over second-placed Marseille when the season was suspended in March.


The French Professional Football League (LFP) ratified the decision at a meeting on Thursday, two days after French Prime Minister Edouard Philippe suspended sport in the country until at least September.

A points-per-game system, taking into account the performance of clubs in the matches already played, was used to determine the final standings in the Ligue 1 table.

Marseille have qualified directly for the Champions League while third-place Rennes will enter the qualifying rounds, with Toulouse and Amiens relegated.
If they use the same method in England, Spurs and Arsenal will miss out on Europe all together.
 
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