Premier League officially postponed until 17th of June

[spursfan77]

That's that then!

Sadiq Khan opposes Premier League plan for London matches from June

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[Gilzeanking]

If you look at the stats for death by age group, the risk to players is tiny. They have more chance of writing themselves off driving to the ground.

Something missing from this analysis imo is that the longterm effects of having the virus are far from certain . Permanent lung damage is
still a possibility given what is known so far . Crucial for an athlete like a football player .

 

[brasil_spur]

We've discussed this already but you can't know how effective the testing will be.

Yes you can. Elecsys from Roche has a specificity greater than 99.8% and sensitivity of 100%, meaning it gives no false negative results and only one in 500 false positives.

It's a contact sport, nobody else in any other working environment has that rate and level of contact.

IMO hairdressers would have a similar rate of contact with a client, especially when you consider the general area of the client they are making contact with is the same one that expels the virus.

Also very few other working environments will be providing rigorous testing, quarantining of staff and onsite medical professionals.

Risk is not about a single factor, but a combination of factors. IMO when you account for the combination of factors involved I don't think that football is that much different to some other working environments.

 

[brasil_spur]

NHS workers are essential to save lives, people working in shops are essential for people to get food and drink ... Tell me what is essential for footballers to be playing?

It's not about the money they earn, it's about the job not being essential or safe to do at social distancing.

Tell me what is essential about eating a pizza from Dominos and playing the latest PS4 released game that i just got shipped to me in 1 day?

McDonalds is not essential. Aston Martin is not essential. 99% of what is sold on Amazon is not essential. Garden centres are not essential. the list of this goes on and on...

The point of this is that we are now coming out of the "essential only" stage, and truthfully we were never fully in it. We were in an "essential with some nice to haves" stage.

Football is a nice to have. We're moving into a stage where the government is considering the re-introduction of "nice to haves" and football (and sport in general) is a part of that.

 

[wadewill]

We've discussed this already but you can't know how effective the testing will be.

It's a contact sport, nobody else in any other working environment has that rate and level of contact.

It's just in no way comparable.

They will be tested before games, if they have it they dont play. Thats pretty safe

It should be the same for anyone where them not attending work will cost their companies/employers revenue, they should have rights where their jobs are safe but they should not be paid. or paid SSP.

 

[Yid-ol]

Tell me what is essential about eating a pizza from Dominos and playing the latest PS4 released game that i just got shipped to me in 1 day?

McDonalds is not essential. Aston Martin is not essential. 99% of what is sold on Amazon is not essential. Garden centres are not essential. the list of this goes on and on...

The point of this is that we are now coming out of the "essential only" stage, and truthfully we were never fully in it. We were in an "essential with some nice to haves" stage.

Football is a nice to have. We're moving into a stage where the government is considering the re-introduction of "nice to haves" and football (and sport in general) is a part of that.

Eating food is essential, so it kinds is!

All the jobs you have mentioned can be done while keeping social distancing where as football can't.

I struggle to see how you can't see this is the main point about all this

 

[brasil_spur]

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The issue with football imo is firstly they wont be applying these measures, to do this they need testing which at the moment takes away from key workers/services etc when this government has continually missed its testing target per day, is hard to justify,

This whole piece is conjecture and guess work.

By all accounts neither the government nor the powers that be in football have any intention of letting football resume without applying any measures. I've not seen a single sound report from anyone suggesting this as a reality.

The testing bit is a massive guess. How do you know this will taking testing away from key workers? China is about to roll out testing to 11 million people within 10 days. I have no idea if this is feasible or not in the UK, but neither do you.

Would i be opposed to starting football back up if it means taking tests away from key workers - yes of course, but we don't know that at this stage.

 

[Leroy]

They really need to change the narrative and I believe coming to an agreement with broadcasters to sell the behind closed doors packages and send that money all the way down the football leagues would do that.

It would give the players the sense that they're not doing it for "nothing", I know they get paid a shit load of money but that doesn't make them immune to any of the fears me or you have. They'd be helping save many of the football league clubs that are going to be in a desperate state over the next year, some may even fold and I believe it would make them feel a lot better about playing by doing something for the broader good of the game.

Nick u do realise that the TV money was already paid out, hense the need to complete the games

 

[wayneg]

IMO hairdressers would have a similar rate of contact with a client, especially when you consider the general area of the client they are making contact with is the same one that expels the virus.

Also very few other working environments will be providing rigorous testing, quarantining of staff and onsite medical professionals.

Risk is not about a single factor, but a combination of factors. IMO when you account for the combination of factors involved I don't think that football is that much different to some other working environments.

A football match 11v11 behind closed doors, yes you are right is not much different especially with all players being tested, BUT as I have said before its too simplistic to look at it like that as there are so many other factors involved (which I mentioned) in determining if matches should be played.

 

[fletch82]

The thing a lot of people are not taking in to account is if this horrid virus has any lasting effects ?
It attacks your lungs and if it has lasting effects it could be the end of a footballers career as I would imagine the lungs are quite important if you are going to sprint about for 100 mins ?

 

[brasil_spur]

Eating food is essential, so it kinds is!

All the jobs you have mentioned can be done while keeping social distancing where as football can't.

I struggle to see how you can't see this is the main point about all this

Eating McDonald's is not kind of essential. In fact it's detrimental to your health in the majority of cases and leads to obesity which increases your chances of having a more severe case of C-19.

Where is the evidence for your claims that A) all the jobs can be done while keeping social distancing and B) that football can't do this?

For point A) I'll start with takeaway food. If like me you have several local takeaways near you i want you to think about the size of their kitchen and number of staff they need to have to operate it. It might the local chippy or even, in many cases, somewhere like McDonalds or a popular coffee chain. Social distancing = a radius of 2m around every person all the time. Are you telling me that you honestly believe that these businesses are managing to adhere to this distance? Of course not.

Add into this that none of the staff are being tested. None of the public that are coming in and buying food are being tested. There are no quarantine procedures around the staff or public and in the event that a worker does catch the virus they do not have on hand medical staff to ensure it is caught early and to get on site medical assistance.

I'm not struggling to get the main point. You are looking at this whole thing far too simplistically and naively if you believe your narrative above.

 

[wadewill]

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That's that then!

Sadiq Khan opposes Premier League plan for London matches from June

EXCLUSIVE

www.standard.co.uk

He, like many others now will do anything he can to try and make the Torys look bad in all this. Its one big political games in this country as usual.

 

[wayneg]

This whole piece is conjecture and guess work.

By all accounts neither the government nor the powers that be in football have any intention of letting football resume without applying any measures. I've not seen a single sound report from anyone suggesting this as a reality.

The testing bit is a massive guess. How do you know this will taking testing away from key workers? China is about to roll out testing to 11 million people within 10 days. I have no idea if this is feasible or not in the UK, but neither do you.

Would i be opposed to starting football back up if it means taking tests away from key workers - yes of course, but we don't know that at this stage.

The Government said that they will have capacity for 100,000 tests per day, that was there target, they have missed it 8 days in a row, so It would be impossible for them to test 11million in 10 days and nor do I think they are competent enough to deliver anywhere near the figure China is about to roll out.

When you see the current care home crisis and care workers coming out daily saying they need more PPE / testing I think its safe to assume at this stage it is taking away from key workers.

 

[brasil_spur]

A football match 11v11 behind closed doors, yes you are right is not much different especially with all players being tested, BUT as I have said before its too simplistic to look at it like that as there are so many other factors involved (which I mentioned) in determining if matches should be played.

Yeh i agree there are a LOT of factors that need to be looked at. But for me the ability to provide safeguards around the contraction of C-19 in football are sufficient enough, in theory, to make it at least as risk adverse as all the other workers who will be back at work around this time.

The question is really will the premier league ensure that all clubs adopt these procedures as a mandatory basis for football to be allowed to be played again.

 

[chrissivad]

Tell me what is essential about eating a pizza from Dominos and playing the latest PS4 released game that i just got shipped to me in 1 day?

McDonalds is not essential. Aston Martin is not essential. 99% of what is sold on Amazon is not essential. Garden centres are not essential. the list of this goes on and on...

The point of this is that we are now coming out of the "essential only" stage, and truthfully we were never fully in it. We were in an "essential with some nice to haves" stage.

Football is a nice to have. We're moving into a stage where the government is considering the re-introduction of "nice to haves" and football (and sport in general) is a part of that.

As your asking others for evidence, can you provide some for the bit above?

 

[brasil_spur]

The Government said that they will have capacity for 100,000 tests per day, that was there target, they have missed it 8 days in a row, so It would be impossible for them to test 11million in 10 days and nor do I think they are competent enough to deliver anywhere near the figure China is about to roll out.

When you see the current care home crisis and care workers coming out daily saying they need more PPE / testing I think its safe to assume at this stage it is taking away from key workers.

We're getting into the realms of the politics thread here when we talk about the governments inability to test people at scale. But you're looking at current standards versus standards in 4 weeks time. Like i said it might not be possible, in which case football shouldn't go ahead, but it taking tests away from key workers isn't an issue then i don't see the problem with testing footballers.

 

[chrissivad]

Eating McDonald's is not kind of essential. In fact it's detrimental to your health in the majority of cases and leads to obesity which increases your chances of having a more severe case of C-19.

Where is the evidence for your claims that A) all the jobs can be done while keeping social distancing and B) that football can't do this?

For point A) I'll start with takeaway food. If like me you have several local takeaways near you i want you to think about the size of their kitchen and number of staff they need to have to operate it. It might the local chippy or even, in many cases, somewhere like McDonalds or a popular coffee chain. Social distancing = a radius of 2m around every person all the time. Are you telling me that you honestly believe that these businesses are managing to adhere to this distance? Of course not.

Add into this that none of the staff are being tested. None of the public that are coming in and buying food are being tested. There are no quarantine procedures around the staff or public and in the event that a worker does catch the virus they do not have on hand medical staff to ensure it is caught early and to get on site medical assistance.

I'm not struggling to get the main point. You are looking at this whole thing far too simplistically and naively if you believe your narrative above.

So can playing video games....
but it depends on how much you eat/play and what else you do.

 

[wayneg]

We're getting into the realms of the politics thread here when we talk about the governments inability to test people at scale. But you're looking at current standards versus standards in 4 weeks time. Like i said it might not be possible, in which case football shouldn't go ahead, but it taking tests away from key workers isn't an issue then i don't see the problem with testing footballers.

Im not talking politics, I am talking fact when I said the government have missed their testing target (that they set) of 100,000 per day for 8 days in a row. The next bit was opinion but was based on the above factual information that led me to that opinion, not in anyway to do with politics or who at present is in charge or what policies they have in place.

 

[chrissivad]

I hope that they can get the games going again behind closed doors for the rest of the season, but i dont think we can force players to go away for their family.
Berjwind has just become a dad, im guessing he doesn't want to be away for weeks.

With hospital numbers dropping, im guessing that having medical staff at games wont be an issue now.
I think its a wait and see what happens in Germany, and then make a call. Things can change quickly, and noone knows whats going on yet

 

[brasil_spur]

As your asking others for evidence, can you provide some for the bit above?

Yeh of course, html and PDF versions of the government plan are here:

Step Two info starts on page 30 and quotes: "● Opening non-essential retail". I'm using the phrase "nice to haves" as a way of saying "non-essential".

Again on page 30:

"Permitting cultural and sporting events to take place behind closed-doors for broadcast, while avoiding the risk of large-scale social contact."

Again i've called football a "nice to have".

Step Three then goes on to document things such as Pubs, Cinemas, Beauty Salons etc..., which i think we can all agree are firmly in the "nice to have" category.