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Premier League officially postponed until 17th of June

brasil_spur

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Quarantining travellers across Europe would make it difficult. UK belatedly starting this soon and apparently sports people won’t be exempt. Of course the quarantine measures might be relaxed eventually but bear in mind next season’s Euro competitions are supposed to start soon - and this season’s competitions haven’t even concluded yet.

Logistical nightmare although I’ve no doubt UEFA will try to find a way - too much money in it.

This is literally the only issue though as far as i can see - quarantining any travellers in certain countries. And whilst there is a slim chance that some countries might be doing this as late as August this year, i can't see this being common place by October/November.

So it might mean a re-structuring of the European format to accommodate this, but personally i don't see countries being able to continue with quarantining for all travellers in this way. I think if this still needs to be the case in a few months time then some kind of "i've been tested in the last X days" passport will need to be implemented.
 

brasil_spur

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If one nation quarantines travelers from abroad which is a very likely occurrence, its done. In all of UEFA’s greed, they’ll undoubtedly try to find a way but there wont be Europe next season. Nor will there by the Euros or the Olympics if a vaccine isnt approved and widely available by March.

Euros and Olympics are very different though. You're talking about a lot more people from a lot more places all going to one location. With CL and EL it's a case of around 30-40 people travelling to one location for a game.

Also i just can't see mass traveller quarantining occurring, even now many countries aren't quarantining travellers and in Europe we're starting to come out the other side of this whole pandemic.
 

yankspurs

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Can you imagine the scenes if Liverpool (who need 5 or 6 points to win the league) had a total collapse in their last 9 games and Man City pipped them at the post.

On the one hand Liverpool fans get what they want (season being finished), but on the other hand it won't be the same conditions compared to where things stood in March.

Not sure they'd ever get over it!!
It would be poetic justice.

Also, if liverpool blow the title now being 1 win away, they should be relegated to the conference.
 

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If one nation quarantines travelers from abroad which is a very likely occurrence, its done. In all of UEFA’s greed, they’ll undoubtedly try to find a way but there wont be Europe next season. Nor will there by the Euros or the Olympics if a vaccine isnt approved and widely available by March.

we’ve already seen that football is apparently different to every other business so I’m sure they will make an exception. In fact if memory serves me right I’m sure that I read that the quarantine rules for entering the UK do not apply to professional sportsmen and women.
 

yankspurs

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Euros and Olympics are very different though. You're talking about a lot more people from a lot more places all going to one location. With CL and EL it's a case of around 30-40 people travelling to one location for a game.

Also i just can't see mass quarantining occurring, even now many countries aren't quarantining and in Europe we're starting to come out the other side of this whole pandemic.
There will be pockets of small outbreaks in lots of spots that will have to be contained. Plus, there’s always the very likely possibility of a second wave in the fall. No one is starting to come out of this just yet.
 

brasil_spur

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There will be pockets of small outbreaks in lots of spots that will have to be contained. Plus, there’s always the very likely possibility of a second wave in the fall. No one is starting to come out of this just yet.

I agree about the pockets of small outbreaks - but there is no way UEFA are going to cancel the CL and EL because of pockets of small outbreaks.

There is indeed the possibility of a second wave, there is also the possibility of a vaccine, a cure and other variables to take into consideration. Again though i can't see UEFA deciding to cancel the CL and EL because there's a possibility that in a few months things might get bad again. The most they are likely to do is start the competitions and then stop them if that happens.

But many places in Europe are firmly starting to come out of this. Most of Scandinavia and getting back to levels that are not that far from pre-COVID times. Germany has re-started football. Two of the worst hit countries - Spain and Italy are also beginning to massively relax their processes and the UK is likely only a few weeks away from doing the same.
 

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If one nation quarantines travelers from abroad which is a very likely occurrence, its done. In all of UEFA’s greed, they’ll undoubtedly try to find a way but there wont be Europe next season. Nor will there by the Euros or the Olympics if a vaccine isnt approved and widely available by March.

I believe you will be wrong on all counts. Sports people will be exempt from quarantine as long as they go straight from the airport to the hotel and only leave the hotel to go to the stadium and then back to the airport.

As for a vaccine there may never be one like HIV. If there is treatment then society will live with the virus. Of course a vaccine may be developed too.
 

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I had a dream our first game back was a FIFA-esque thrashing of Stoke City where every kick off was followed by a run and goal. It was 4-0 by 10th minute.
I woke up at 40 minutes. Tried to fall back asleep and resume but no dice.
 

brasil_spur

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Got to say that i'm getting more annoyed by Troy Deeney's comments at the moment - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52721397

I think he is definitely right to take the decision due to his personal circumstances of having a baby who has a known pre-existing condition to not go back to training and the club are right to support him in this.

However this statement is awful ""I can't get a haircut until mid-July but I can go and get in a box with 19 people and go and jump for a header and nobody could answer the questions". He simply doesn't understand how fundamentally different a training ground and a hairdressers is and is being given a platform to express this opinion - which is totally lacking in basic common sense and scientific understanding.

His issue about BAME players is also very misguided as he seems to think that the virus is specifically targeting ethnicity when in reality the evidence points towards two factors - socio-economic status of BAME people (which doesn't apply to PL footballers earning 10s of £k per week) and the likely impact that Vitamin D deficiency plays in the severity of C-19, where BAME people are more impacted, especially in the UK, which can be easily rectified by taking a supplement, something which frankly any high achieving sports professional (or at least their physios) should be well aware of and already doing.
 

Monkey boy

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Got to say that i'm getting more annoyed by Troy Deeney's comments at the moment - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52721397

I think he is definitely right to take the decision due to his personal circumstances of having a baby who has a known pre-existing condition to not go back to training and the club are right to support him in this.

However this statement is awful ""I can't get a haircut until mid-July but I can go and get in a box with 19 people and go and jump for a header and nobody could answer the questions". He simply doesn't understand how fundamentally different a training ground and a hairdressers is and is being given a platform to express this opinion - which is totally lacking in basic common sense and scientific understanding.

His issue about BAME players is also very misguided as he seems to think that the virus is specifically targeting ethnicity when in reality the evidence points towards two factors - socio-economic status of BAME people (which doesn't apply to PL footballers earning 10s of £k per week) and the likely impact that Vitamin D deficiency plays in the severity of C-19, where BAME people are more impacted, especially in the UK, which can be easily rectified by taking a supplement, something which frankly any high achieving sports professional (or at least their physios) should be well aware of and already doing.

what has he said that’s wrong especially the haircut part? Given the choice of going for a hair cut where the barber and yourself use a mask and gloves Or grappling with a sweaty opponent I know which one I believe and I think science would say is more likely to transmit the virus.
 

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I believe you will be wrong on all counts. Sports people will be exempt from quarantine as long as they go straight from the airport to the hotel and only leave the hotel to go to the stadium and then back to the airport.

For next season perhaps, but not for the next couple of months (not the best source admittedly - The Sun ? ) :

 

John48

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Deeney's hit the nail on the head for me.


I agree, he's highlighted how this virus seems to affect BAME people more than most & he has a baby at home who might be susceptible, so he's full entitled to say "not for me" until you can convince me it's safe.

It's true everything is a risk, but this virus is something we neither have a treatment for nor a vaccine at present, so anyone who might be vulnerable needs to be extra careful.
 

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what has he said that’s wrong especially the haircut part? Given the choice of going for a hair cut where the barber and yourself use a mask and gloves Or grappling with a sweaty opponent I know which one I believe and I think science would say is more likely to transmit the virus.
I think the big point is about testing. The barber won't have been tested, nor will the 50 or so customers they see each week. The barber will likely be working indoors and without the same safety protocols that clubs can afford to implement.

If you're sweating and puffing and grappling with 21 other people who don't have the virus your chance of catching the virus is 0. Sure, there can be a slight lag in test results, but I would much rather be in contact with somebody who is being tested 3 times a week in a rich industry than somebody with no testing in an industry that lives hand to mouth. But not everybody will feel that way.

I don't have any problem with Deeney - or any other player - not wanting to play, but that has to be a personal decision. If enough players decide they don't want to play then the league won't be able to restart. But it isn't practical to wait for every single player to feel comfortable before restarting.
 

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For next season perhaps, but not for the next couple of months (not the best source admittedly - The Sun ? ) :


I don't see that as major issue.
CL and EL will be at end of season (end July), and if there are quarantining rules in place, UEFA will just send all remaining teams to one country and play all the games out there in a 10 day or so mini-tourney
 

brasil_spur

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what has he said that’s wrong especially the haircut part? Given the choice of going for a hair cut where the barber and yourself use a mask and gloves Or grappling with a sweaty opponent I know which one I believe and I think science would say is more likely to transmit the virus.

So footballers are all being tested and there going to be fairly strict processes around how they train and they are largely isolated from the general public.

Wheres a barbers will have a lot of different members of the public who are under no imposed processes coming in and out. It may be that many barbers wear masks and gloves, however it's unlikely to be enforced, as this hasn't happened even with people handling food and at supermarkets in the UK as yet. Also based on what i've been seeing the last couple of months there is a notable percentage of the UK population who are reckless or not bothered enough to take sensible precautions.

So in short - there will be lots of the public at barbers, but very limited public in football training. There will be testing in place for football but not for people going to the barbers.

Add to this that barbers don't restrict customers based on age and pre-existing conditions. 95% of deaths in the UK come from this category. So whilst TD is worried about himself, he doesn't seem to be worried much in his statement about passing the virus on to someone in this category.

There's no evidence that C-19 can be transmitted via sweat - so the science does not at all back up your claim about virus transmission likelihood.
 

brasil_spur

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I agree, he's highlighted how this virus seems to affect BAME people more than most & he has a baby at home who might be susceptible, so he's full entitled to say "not for me" until you can convince me it's safe.

It's true everything is a risk, but this virus is something we neither have a treatment for nor a vaccine at present, so anyone who might be vulnerable needs to be extra careful.

That's fine, but the BAME bit shouldn't apply to him. The baby bit i get. I also agree that any player who doesn't want to train shouldn't be forced to and the club should support this decision.

But his comments about the difference in safety between the barbers and the training ground is really bad. Also the BAME data points to two specific issues and the % he's quoting is over-inflated.
 

yankspurs

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I don't see that as major issue.
CL and EL will be at end of season (end July), and if there are quarantining rules in place, UEFA will just send all remaining teams to one country and play all the games out there in a 10 day or so mini-tourney
Theres also the issue that the season will technically be over so transfer window will be open and free transfers could be negotiated.
 

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If you could list the problems that will occur with this restart of the season there are so many that I cannot count them and if the season is not voided then it will be a travesty even god forbid a tragedy but just as these numpties will ok the Newcastle tskeover they will use the same level Integrity to finish the season . I myself doubt that next season has any chance at all of starting on time let alone thinking of finishing this season .
 
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