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Match Ratings Ratings vs Burnley
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charliemouse
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Excatly, if Poch doesn't trust to bring Janssen on when Kane was playing like he did today, then we may as well sell him now and get someone he does.
BringBack_leGin
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It's my birthday today 
BringBack_leGin
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Lloris - stop with the fucking awful kicks you ducking wanker (but thanks for the great sweeper keeper charge).
Trippier - stop disappearing every time the opposition attack your flank you fucking wanker.
Alderweireld- stop pissing about on the ball in dangerous areas you fucking wanker.
Vertonghen - you were okay.
Davies - you were okay
Dier - stop overdoing everything and stick to the simple things you can do you fucking wanker.
Dembele - stop running out of batteries after 60 minutes you fucking wanker.
Son - Stop giving away possession needlessly you fucking wanker.
Dele - lots of heart but completely lost you fucking wanker
Eriksen - atrocious in every respect you fucking wanker
Kane - learn to score in August you fucking wanker.
Happy birthday to me
Trippier - stop disappearing every time the opposition attack your flank you fucking wanker.
Alderweireld- stop pissing about on the ball in dangerous areas you fucking wanker.
Vertonghen - you were okay.
Davies - you were okay
Dier - stop overdoing everything and stick to the simple things you can do you fucking wanker.
Dembele - stop running out of batteries after 60 minutes you fucking wanker.
Son - Stop giving away possession needlessly you fucking wanker.
Dele - lots of heart but completely lost you fucking wanker
Eriksen - atrocious in every respect you fucking wanker
Kane - learn to score in August you fucking wanker.
Happy birthday to me
tooey
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Lloris 7.5 - Berated last week for his error, hardly mentioned this week after a couple of fantastic saves, such is life for a goalkeeper.
Trippier 5 - Switched off for the goal, far too conservative in the last third.
Alderweireld 6.5 - Didn't do a lot wrong, sprayed a couple nice diagonals and a couple of dud ones.
Jan 7.5 - Solid, tried his very hardest to push us up the pitch.
Davies 7 - Marshalled his side well, made a couple of chances.
Dier 6 - Much better second half than first, doesn't look forward enough though broke up play a little more effectively than he has done in recent times. His unnecessary dummy that caught out everybody including his team mates was good for a chuckle.
Demeble 6 - Pedestrian today. Looked like he was done after half time.
Alli 6.5 - He's lucky he scores goals and generally makes things happen in and around the box (often not by design). Looked like he couldn't be arsed before he scored, his celebration confirmed it.
eriksen 5.5 - You can pretty much rate our display as a whole on whatever rating Eriksen receives, poor today.
Son 5 - Completely ineffective.
Kane 5.5 - Had the chance for me to never hear the lazy "August hoodoo" punditry line again and failed.
Trippier 5 - Switched off for the goal, far too conservative in the last third.
Alderweireld 6.5 - Didn't do a lot wrong, sprayed a couple nice diagonals and a couple of dud ones.
Jan 7.5 - Solid, tried his very hardest to push us up the pitch.
Davies 7 - Marshalled his side well, made a couple of chances.
Dier 6 - Much better second half than first, doesn't look forward enough though broke up play a little more effectively than he has done in recent times. His unnecessary dummy that caught out everybody including his team mates was good for a chuckle.
Demeble 6 - Pedestrian today. Looked like he was done after half time.
Alli 6.5 - He's lucky he scores goals and generally makes things happen in and around the box (often not by design). Looked like he couldn't be arsed before he scored, his celebration confirmed it.
eriksen 5.5 - You can pretty much rate our display as a whole on whatever rating Eriksen receives, poor today.
Son 5 - Completely ineffective.
Kane 5.5 - Had the chance for me to never hear the lazy "August hoodoo" punditry line again and failed.
Bus-Conductor
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Apart from Modric/Dembele or Bale/7 players or VdV/Dempsey you mean?
Walker's fuckbrain has already cost city points. Like he didn't repeatedly make mistakes and get caught out for us, just go and watch the West Ham game that cost us the league.
Trippier produced more actual product creatively in a third of Walker's time last season.
Trippier is what he is. Walker is what he is. Neither are top class all round good eggs. Both have weaknesses. The way we play fb's will always get caught. But swapping one for the other really wasn't a major deal. We've got bigger problems.
Meanwhile Chelsea won the league with Victor fucking Moses as a RB.
And I don't know what we didn't play KWP. Because given a proper run he could well prove to be better than any of the above.
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Spurrific
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Agree on KWP, he showed everything he could possibly have needed to and was dropped. Doesn't make sense to me.
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The most pissed off I have been about a Spurs game in ages. Narrow semi final defeats, last minute goalkeeper error defeats, losses to 3rd rate rivals at their ramshackle stadium at a crucial time of the season... None of them on par with this. This game attacked you, the viewer, relentlessly and mercilessly throughout, throwing up shitty sub plot after shitty sub plot as you sat through the whole giant miserable shit show.
The first half I'll try to skip as quickly as possible. It was 45 turgid minutes. Burnley played nine defenders with one attacker. Yes this is quite hard to break through - but we played with no urgency, tempo, idea, or precision and sharpness to our game. We often had four or five back completely redundant offering nothing as we played with the handbrake on.
If I thought the first half was bad, then the second half I'd label as atrocious. This got about as bad as you can on a football pitch... The game went full-Redknapp, you never go full-Redknapp.
We eventually found ourselves 1-0 up, thanks to one of the scrappiest goals of the season following chaos at a setpiece. Alli was reluctant to celebrate it was that scruffy and lacking in quality. Still you think ok, we'll settle down now, confidence will flow and now we will put them to sword. Except, very quickly after the goal that didn't happen. Burnley made some subs, we responded and changed shape, and then all control on the game was lost.
Some will say we had enough chances to win, that might be true, but it was chaos for the last half hour or so of the game. We lost all shape, the game went end to end, we were careless with the ball and didn't keep it for any great spell, and for all the attacks we had there was also a load of pressure on our goal with some unconvincing defending. Eventually, maybe deservedly, they punished our seeming inability to defend a long straight ball.
This was vintage Redknapp in how to try your best to squander a lead and give the opposition hope instead of controlling the game and squeezing the life out of them. I didn't like it then, I didn't like the 2017 imitation today.
I think Poch has had a terrible day today, from start to finish. The initial selection was exposed for it's weaknesses today and was cautious. They sit back, we've got two centre mids who can't go anywhere but sit and don't move the ball well. We've got two average fullbacks who lack dynamism and aren't able to take advantage of the wide open spaces on the flanks. Then two attacking mids who are hit and miss on the ball. It's basically left to Eriksen to pick the lock. He can't always do it. You've got to have more options and ask questions of the opposition, this was a day when we didn't for large spells.
The second half was then even worse for me. He changed to five at the back and we seemed to lose the plot. Defenders seemed to start getting in each other's way and unsure of who was doing what, and fuck knows who was meant to be in midfield at that point. Dembele and.....? So we've got something resembling a 5-1-4 formation as the game zips from end to end. What followed was just a load of bollocks, and then there was a last ditch attempt at control far too late to make an impact - Winks comes on about an hour too late, then in the last few minutes when we should keep the ball we inexplicably take off Eriksen instead of Alli (yes I know Eriksen hadn't had his best game, but he is the man for that job. Alli loses the ball doing some silly shit on the half way line for the goal).
I am just going to stop there as I could be rambling on all night. But basically, it was shit.
Lloris - One amazing slide tackle. If a team wants to use its goalkeeper so much though, then it might help if he was comfortable with the ball at his feet...
Trippier - 1. Can't really run, 2. can't dribble, 3. can't pass the ball about consistently, 4. can't defend, 5. can't read a game, 6. can cross a ball. As the early draft of the Meatloaf song said, one out of six is bad.
Alderweireld - Not exactly a dominating performance at the back. He's definitely not at the level he was pre-injury.
Vertonghen - Didn't really convince either. Some nice passes at times though.
Davies - I see a few posters saying he had a decent game, I'd say they're wrong. He had two or three good moments, I will concede, this ignores though the tens, maybe hundreds, of moments where he kills our play. Go back and watch the first half, the amount of times he is sat back (along with Dier and Dembele) offering fuck all. He did hold his width better in the second half and put in a good cross, but there is still virtually nil threat on the outside and stretching the opposition. The added space at Wembley isn't being used. I want a left back stretching the opposition all game and running up that flank taking the game to them. Even with Rose on the way back, I'd be getting a LB in before the transfer window closes.
Dier - Surplus to requirements in midfield today and just offered fuck all to that game. Then moved into the back line, he looked a bit ropey, and collectively it fell apart. Great stuff.
Dembele - Offered very little in the first half. Poch then had the genius idea of having him play midfield on his own in the second, knowing the usual would happen and he'd go out of the game late on. Genius stuff.
Eriksen - Not one of his best games. Had a couple of classy touches but was struggling to get a grip on the game - not helped by what was going on around him.
Son - Typical erratic Son performance, without a goal to redeem himself.
Alli - Cheers for the goal, the rest we'll forget.
Kane - Wasted a couple of great chances to go 2-0 up and almost certainly win the game. Looked a little desperate at times. Did have a a few nice touches, but as the main man he'll be disappointed he hasn't wrapped up the win.
Subs:
Sissoko - couple of good moments, doesn't aid control of the game though...
Winks - On far too late, by which time the plot had already been lost.
Sanchez - What a strange sub that was as it went 1-1.
Poch - Oh dear.
The first half I'll try to skip as quickly as possible. It was 45 turgid minutes. Burnley played nine defenders with one attacker. Yes this is quite hard to break through - but we played with no urgency, tempo, idea, or precision and sharpness to our game. We often had four or five back completely redundant offering nothing as we played with the handbrake on.
If I thought the first half was bad, then the second half I'd label as atrocious. This got about as bad as you can on a football pitch... The game went full-Redknapp, you never go full-Redknapp.
We eventually found ourselves 1-0 up, thanks to one of the scrappiest goals of the season following chaos at a setpiece. Alli was reluctant to celebrate it was that scruffy and lacking in quality. Still you think ok, we'll settle down now, confidence will flow and now we will put them to sword. Except, very quickly after the goal that didn't happen. Burnley made some subs, we responded and changed shape, and then all control on the game was lost.
Some will say we had enough chances to win, that might be true, but it was chaos for the last half hour or so of the game. We lost all shape, the game went end to end, we were careless with the ball and didn't keep it for any great spell, and for all the attacks we had there was also a load of pressure on our goal with some unconvincing defending. Eventually, maybe deservedly, they punished our seeming inability to defend a long straight ball.
This was vintage Redknapp in how to try your best to squander a lead and give the opposition hope instead of controlling the game and squeezing the life out of them. I didn't like it then, I didn't like the 2017 imitation today.
I think Poch has had a terrible day today, from start to finish. The initial selection was exposed for it's weaknesses today and was cautious. They sit back, we've got two centre mids who can't go anywhere but sit and don't move the ball well. We've got two average fullbacks who lack dynamism and aren't able to take advantage of the wide open spaces on the flanks. Then two attacking mids who are hit and miss on the ball. It's basically left to Eriksen to pick the lock. He can't always do it. You've got to have more options and ask questions of the opposition, this was a day when we didn't for large spells.
The second half was then even worse for me. He changed to five at the back and we seemed to lose the plot. Defenders seemed to start getting in each other's way and unsure of who was doing what, and fuck knows who was meant to be in midfield at that point. Dembele and.....? So we've got something resembling a 5-1-4 formation as the game zips from end to end. What followed was just a load of bollocks, and then there was a last ditch attempt at control far too late to make an impact - Winks comes on about an hour too late, then in the last few minutes when we should keep the ball we inexplicably take off Eriksen instead of Alli (yes I know Eriksen hadn't had his best game, but he is the man for that job. Alli loses the ball doing some silly shit on the half way line for the goal).
I am just going to stop there as I could be rambling on all night. But basically, it was shit.
Lloris - One amazing slide tackle. If a team wants to use its goalkeeper so much though, then it might help if he was comfortable with the ball at his feet...
Trippier - 1. Can't really run, 2. can't dribble, 3. can't pass the ball about consistently, 4. can't defend, 5. can't read a game, 6. can cross a ball. As the early draft of the Meatloaf song said, one out of six is bad.
Alderweireld - Not exactly a dominating performance at the back. He's definitely not at the level he was pre-injury.
Vertonghen - Didn't really convince either. Some nice passes at times though.
Davies - I see a few posters saying he had a decent game, I'd say they're wrong. He had two or three good moments, I will concede, this ignores though the tens, maybe hundreds, of moments where he kills our play. Go back and watch the first half, the amount of times he is sat back (along with Dier and Dembele) offering fuck all. He did hold his width better in the second half and put in a good cross, but there is still virtually nil threat on the outside and stretching the opposition. The added space at Wembley isn't being used. I want a left back stretching the opposition all game and running up that flank taking the game to them. Even with Rose on the way back, I'd be getting a LB in before the transfer window closes.
Dier - Surplus to requirements in midfield today and just offered fuck all to that game. Then moved into the back line, he looked a bit ropey, and collectively it fell apart. Great stuff.
Dembele - Offered very little in the first half. Poch then had the genius idea of having him play midfield on his own in the second, knowing the usual would happen and he'd go out of the game late on. Genius stuff.
Eriksen - Not one of his best games. Had a couple of classy touches but was struggling to get a grip on the game - not helped by what was going on around him.
Son - Typical erratic Son performance, without a goal to redeem himself.
Alli - Cheers for the goal, the rest we'll forget.
Kane - Wasted a couple of great chances to go 2-0 up and almost certainly win the game. Looked a little desperate at times. Did have a a few nice touches, but as the main man he'll be disappointed he hasn't wrapped up the win.
Subs:
Sissoko - couple of good moments, doesn't aid control of the game though...
Winks - On far too late, by which time the plot had already been lost.
Sanchez - What a strange sub that was as it went 1-1.
Poch - Oh dear.
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EastLondonYid
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Really?
You can say it,write it,scream it or tatoo it on your nut but most of us ain't buying it
Walker had faults but Trippier can't tie his fucking laces .
Thank fuck Aurier is coming .
BringBack_leGin
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The most simple substitution would have remedied all of this. 48th minute, we are leading, we have been put under no pressure, bring off the obsolete Dier, put on Winks, actually take advantage of Burnley needing to score but utilising the extra space.
The choice to go from 4231 to 343 for no apparent reason might be Pochettino's worst in three years as boss.
The choice to go from 4231 to 343 for no apparent reason might be Pochettino's worst in three years as boss.
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The major difference between Tripper and Davies is that I never worry about Davies at all on the defensive end of the pitch. He's a really solid backup for us. He should just never be starting vs. the bigger sides with the scary wings. Tripper on the other hand is an absolute turnstile on defense. He always has been too. It just got masked by the fact that most of the teams we were playing down the stretch last year were poor, never had any possession, and he really wasn't forced to do much defending. I think it gave a huge portion of our fan base a false impression of the player. Kane was also poor today. I'm sure he'll be back knocking in goals in no time though. I thought Alli and Dembele were good today. These slow starts season after season are really starting to get frustrating.
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Tosh! Walker would start for any PL team, except ironically for City; and that's just a reflection of the options they have. You've always rated Walker in defence, but somehow never saw how how much he was a part of our attack. Always pushed opp defences back, which was hugely important for our game, and would stretch the park for our attacks, giving space to our AMs and strikers.
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EastLondonYid
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We had shitloads of chances to put the game to bed.,not Poch fault we kept missing...would you have felt the same then?
OTT reaction mate......happy birthday
OPModric
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Playing with Alli and Dier is like playing with nine players.
Why have a walking central defender deep in midfield when Burnley have eleven players behind the ball?!
And Alli, the worst player to ever been called world class. He can't even control the ball. Completly useless.
Why have a walking central defender deep in midfield when Burnley have eleven players behind the ball?!
And Alli, the worst player to ever been called world class. He can't even control the ball. Completly useless.
SpursSince1980
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Pretty much all of the players were a six today. Ok. But not remotely good enough. Just flat and insipid throughout.
All except for Trippier. He was simply awful. Before they scored i was screaming at him to focus and defend. I don't know if it was laziness or just stupidity, but he was an absolute shambles over the last thirty minutes.
Poch. Second game in my mind he has cost us the game. Last week he played an unusual formation... for the second time overthinking it against Chelsea. It cost us. Today, he hardly helped calm the Wembley curse nervous by being so bloody cautious with that lineup, and then suddenly shifting to three at the back. We looked confused and nervous.
Why not be more dynamic? U knew they'd park the bus. You knew we don't have a single player that can run at their defenders. And so do they. Dyche played Poch like a fiddle. Knew exactly what he was going to do and how to shut it down. Poch needs to learn how to surprise. Why not do something unexpected today? Start with Janssen and Harry up front and let them deal with an extra body. Drop Dier and play Eriksen and Dembele in midfield. It may not have worked, but it would've surprised them. Instead it was utterly predictable and gormless. One of our more frustrating days for sure.
All except for Trippier. He was simply awful. Before they scored i was screaming at him to focus and defend. I don't know if it was laziness or just stupidity, but he was an absolute shambles over the last thirty minutes.
Poch. Second game in my mind he has cost us the game. Last week he played an unusual formation... for the second time overthinking it against Chelsea. It cost us. Today, he hardly helped calm the Wembley curse nervous by being so bloody cautious with that lineup, and then suddenly shifting to three at the back. We looked confused and nervous.
Why not be more dynamic? U knew they'd park the bus. You knew we don't have a single player that can run at their defenders. And so do they. Dyche played Poch like a fiddle. Knew exactly what he was going to do and how to shut it down. Poch needs to learn how to surprise. Why not do something unexpected today? Start with Janssen and Harry up front and let them deal with an extra body. Drop Dier and play Eriksen and Dembele in midfield. It may not have worked, but it would've surprised them. Instead it was utterly predictable and gormless. One of our more frustrating days for sure.
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Yep we played with no energy save for a brief period in the second half when we should have scored a couple more goals. We starting, once again, so slow as though the first half in a football match doesn't count
danielneeds
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I think people need to not go overboard with the putting Winks in midfield remedies all problems idea.
I think he's a very promising talent, but let's go back to his last 45 in the PL, ironically away at Burnley. The game passed him by, and he couldn't get into it, and it was only when he got his nasty injury that we took control of the game.
So, you know, by all means champion him, but he's not the messiah.
I think he's a very promising talent, but let's go back to his last 45 in the PL, ironically away at Burnley. The game passed him by, and he couldn't get into it, and it was only when he got his nasty injury that we took control of the game.
So, you know, by all means champion him, but he's not the messiah.
whitesocks
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Tripper was very poor against Burnley last season too, so maybe they're his bogey team. He's much better than this.
But generally Burnley wanted it more - it is their cup final and they are fresh.
Also we forget all the games these last 2 seasons where only Rose showed that aggression and passion, and walked away with MOTM near every week.
Vertonghen is my MOTM - certainly none of the attacking players who failed their task as they did against chelsea.
It would be premature to draw conclusions about this season based on 3 games when we don't even know who is to join or leave.
But at the moment we don't look like champions to any extent with an impotent attack and a leaky defence.
But generally Burnley wanted it more - it is their cup final and they are fresh.
Also we forget all the games these last 2 seasons where only Rose showed that aggression and passion, and walked away with MOTM near every week.
Vertonghen is my MOTM - certainly none of the attacking players who failed their task as they did against chelsea.
It would be premature to draw conclusions about this season based on 3 games when we don't even know who is to join or leave.
But at the moment we don't look like champions to any extent with an impotent attack and a leaky defence.
