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  • Lloris

    Votes: 36 7.7%
  • Walker

    Votes: 3 0.6%
  • Dawson

    Votes: 17 3.6%
  • Chiriches

    Votes: 106 22.7%
  • Rose

    Votes: 1 0.2%
  • Lennon

    Votes: 87 18.6%
  • Capoue

    Votes: 1 0.2%
  • Dembele

    Votes: 6 1.3%
  • Erikson

    Votes: 93 19.9%
  • Adebayor

    Votes: 106 22.7%
  • Soldado

    Votes: 11 2.4%

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Spurger King

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If AVB made unreasonable demands, having had the budget/development remit explained to him properly then he's a a bit of a prick. And I also said that at the time.

The big question is, was everything explained to him ? Was he told Modric wouldn't be replaced with Moutinho but would be replaced with Dembele (not even close IMO). That VDV would be replaced with Demspey and/or Sigurdsson (even less close) ? Who fucking knows ?

If some of the comments from the mods and the most respected ITK are anything to go by, it sounds like AVB was strung along by Levy...at least over the Moutinho deal.
 

Legend10

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But IMO that is the very point.

Once AVB knew that Adebayor was staying he needed to find a way to get him to work as there were no other good striking/goalscoring options. If Spurs had had lots of other goalscoring alternatives, AVB could have (but would have probably been unwise to) deal with Adebayor in the way he did.

But without an alternative good goalscorer........the saying 'cutting off your nose to spite your face' comes to mind.


Exactly, we aren't in the position Man City were in where money is no object and they'll just go and buy somebody else! We have a top top class forward sat there who is one of the best in the league, the manager's job is to get the best out of his players and the best possible results. Are we a better side with Adebayor on the pitch? The answer is unquestionably yes therefore the manager has to find a way to motivate him and get him playing!
 

Bus-Conductor

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But IMO that is the very point.

Once AVB knew that Adebayor was staying he needed to find a way to get him to work as there were no other good striking/goalscoring options. If Spurs had had lots of other goalscoring alternatives, AVB could have (but would have probably been unwise to) deal with Adebayor in the way he did.

But without an alternative good goalscorer........the saying 'cutting off your nose to spite your face' comes to mind.


Apart from the 26m striker we bought ? But yes, it wasn't an ideal scenario, in most jobs if you had a 100k employee, performing most weeks (the ones he turned up at all) like a 30k employee you could just sack him and cut your losses, and maybe hire someone else. Not an option in football.
 

Spursidol

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If some of the comments from the mods and the most respected ITK are anything to go by, it sounds like AVB was strung along by Levy...at least over the Moutinho deal.

Yes and no. Lots of odd info flying around.

- If AVB was to believed, Moutinho wanted to play for him, However Moutinho flew to an away match on the TW deadline whilst a bid was apparantly under way. The inference oif course is that Moutinho was not that keen on AVB
- The annouuncement by the FA that an extension had been granted to allow Spurs to complete the Moutinho deal (which means a Term Sheet or outline deal had been signed by all parties) before the deal was announced to have collapsed, apparantly due to a Porto error.

All a mystery.

However, I understand Moutinho at Monaco has been poor so maybe no great loss.
 

Spursidol

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Apart from the 26m striker we bought ? But yes, it wasn't an ideal scenario, in most jobs if you had a 100k employee, performing most weeks (the ones he turned up at all) like a 30k employee you could just sack him and cut your losses, and maybe hire someone else. Not an option in football.

We bought Soldado in the Summer, so I'm questioning AVB's actions after the ACN (last seasson) where Adebayor proved he was fit.

But I'm also questioining him this season where Soldado has struggled to score gooals - very possibly both through not settling and also because he does not have the physicality that Adebayor has which is useful in the PL. By October or November at the latest AVB should have ben thinking of some sort of reconciliation with Adebayor
 

Bus-Conductor

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Yes and no. Lots of odd info flying around.

- If AVB was to believed, Moutinho wanted to play for him, However Moutinho flew to an away match on the TW deadline whilst a bid was apparantly under way. The inference oif course is that Moutinho was not that keen on AVB
- The annouuncement by the FA that an extension had been granted to allow Spurs to complete the Moutinho deal (which means a Term Sheet or outline deal had been signed by all parties) before the deal was announced to have collapsed, apparantly due to a Porto error.

All a mystery.

However, I understand Moutinho at Monaco has been poor so maybe no great loss.


Come on. If we'd had a bid accepted he'd have been on a plane. That is the inference.

It was a great loss. He's a great player.
 

Bus-Conductor

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We bought Soldado in the Summer, so I'm questioning AVB's actions after the ACN (last seasson) where Adebayor proved he was fit.

But I'm also questioining him this season where Soldado has struggled to score gooals - very possibly both through not settling and also because he does not have the physicality that Adebayor has which is useful in the PL. By October or November at the latest AVB should have ben thinking of some sort of reconciliation with Adebayor

But he played him after the ACN.

The second paragraph I agree with entirely on footballing grounds. On the non footballing grounds I cannot say without actually knowing what went on.
 

Spursidol

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Come on. If we'd had a bid accepted he'd have been on a plane. That is the inference.

It was a great loss. He's a great player.

Hasn't played that well at Monaco as I said - still bedding in or finding it a challednge to move from a weak Portugese league to a more demanding French legaue ?

Still to be decided.
 

Bus-Conductor

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Hasn't played that well at Monaco as I said - still bedding in or finding it a challednge to move from a weak Portugese league to a more demanding French legaue ?

Still to be decided.


I've seen Monaco a couple of times and he's played very well. But have not seen them loads. He is a very good player though.
 

Spursidol

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But he played him after the ACN.

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You are right - more than I remembered.

Which makes it all the more crazy - AVB had made some sort of raprochment in 2012/13 after the ACN but this season totally cold shouldered him even though pretty quickly Soldado's lack of service (=lack of goals) and lack of physical presence became obvious and never looked like being solved.

AVB was certainly a muppet in regards to Adebayor
 

Bus-Conductor

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You are right - more than I remembered.

Which makes it all the more crazy - AVB had made some sort of raprochment in 2012/13 after the ACN but this season totally cold shouldered him even though pretty quickly Soldado's lack of service (=lack of goals) and lack of physical presence became obvious and never looked like being solved.

AVB was certainly a muppet in regards to Adebayor


Again, you don't know that. You (and I) don't know what went on. Lets not apportion blame until we do eh ?

It is regrettable, whatever.
 

Spursidol

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I've seen Monaco a couple of times and he's played very well. But have not seen them loads. He is a very good player though.

Monaco fans seem a but disappointed - thought they had bought a world beater, but he's yet to reach those peaks.
 

Spursidol

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Again, you don't know that. You (and I) don't know what went on. Lets not apportion blame until we do eh ?

It is regrettable, whatever.

Managers in all businesses are paid to get results out of the employees responsible to them, and when they don't its the managers who are held responsible.

So in this case AVB was a muppett.
 

Bus-Conductor

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Managers in all businesses are paid to get results out of the employees responsible to them, and when they don't its the managers who are held responsible.

So in this case AVB was a muppett.


That's actually bollocks SI. Often management are backed over employees, and often those employees will just be sacked (after verbal warnings and written ones etc etc).

I think Adebayor the footballer is great. Adebayor the person, hmm…would you bet on him not being a muppet ?
 

FinnYid

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That's actually bollocks SI. Often management are backed over employees, and often those employees will just be sacked (after verbal warnings and written ones etc etc).

Management that seemingly fall out with people left, right and center are ever so often sacked.
 

Tit&Ham

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Managers in all businesses are paid to get results out of the employees responsible to them, and when they don't its the managers who are held responsible.

So in this case AVB was a muppett.

This is so not true... Like Fergie "forgave" Roy Keane or Beckham or Stam? Like city Could handle balotelli?

Sorry, but it's bulllshit (excuse language)

No player or manager is bigger Than the club, and what did Ade perform like last season?

He looks like a million dollars now, and long may it continue, but I do think us fans have short memory...
 

Tit&Ham

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Like strikers seemed to perform under AVB on Spurs?


Of course, I forgot, it's the managers fault that you can't put the ball in the net from clear cut chances...

Look, I agree that it was time to Get rid of avb, but the reasonning afterwords about ade, systems etc is so childish and boll****s that I can't believe my own eyes!

I'm expecting him to get the blame for the financial crisis and WW2 at this rate..
 

SpurSince57

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If some of the comments from the mods and the most respected ITK are anything to go by, it sounds like AVB was strung along by Levy...at least over the Moutinho deal.

Sorry, I think that's conspiracy theory bollocks. Villas-Boas had £160m lavished on him in just three windows, nigh on as much as Redknapp and Ramos combined. ITK last summer said that Levy had total faith in him.

As for Moutinho, we couldn't start negotiating in earnest until Real had agreed the fee for Modric, so we had just four days in which to get things sorted. That's no time at all for a deal of that magnitude. (I don't doubt that we put out feelers well in advance, but until Real stopped farting about and we had the cash guaranteed we couldn't get serious.) One piece of ITK we had at the time was that Moutinho wanted City-style money, and that Villas-Boas had to talk to him person-to-person in order to get him to accept less. There was also the third party stuff.
 
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