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76Match Prediction

  • Away Win - Clean Sheet

    Votes: 75 43.4%
  • Away Win - Concede Goal(s)

    Votes: 65 37.6%
  • Score Draw

    Votes: 16 9.2%
  • Goalless Draw

    Votes: 5 2.9%
  • Away Lose

    Votes: 12 6.9%

  • Total voters
    173
  • Poll closed .

SpartanSpur

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Even newcastle look better than us, better end product, exciting players

They are all highly motivated ahead of the Saudi takeover. Proof if ever of the importance of mentality in sport.

We seem to be having issues with motivation and confidence, and when paired with inadequate defensive players it's what has led to this clusterf**k of a season. I thought the first two games after covid showed promising signs of a recovery but that VAR decision completely shattered it all. Shows just how fragile we are.
 
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DenverSpur

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Because it's down to him to organize and motivate them.

yes it is but he can’t play for them, it’s up to the players to take responsibility out in the pitch. Klopp said it in an interview today when he said the players deserve all the praise for how they won the league that he only organizes and motivates them but they(the players) are the ones who put in the consistent performances to achieve the victories.
 

danielneeds

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Anyone who ever thinks Sissoko could ever be a DM needs to watch his attitude and application for their second goal. An embarrassment
I’m not sure it’s attitute with him. The guy’s a grafter, of that there’s no doubt. He’s just not got any defensive awareness. He can’t see the danger as it’s developing.
 

Lifelong

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I’m not sure it’s attitute with him. The guy’s a grafter, of that there’s no doubt. He’s just not got any defensive awareness. He can’t see the danger as it’s developing.
It’s definitely not attitude...that’s not in doubt, ability however......
 

Marcus_spur

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They are all highly motivated ahead of the Saudi takeover. Proof if ever of the importance of mentality in sport.

We seem to be having issues with motivation and confidence, and when paired with inadequate defensive players it's what has led to this clusterf**k of a season. I thought the first two games after covid showed promising signs of a recovery but that VAR decision completely shattered it all. Shows just how fragile we are.
Tbf Id rather hace a team with shit mentality than one being bankrolled by slavers and murderers.
 

UbeAstard

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The goals we conceded today came from lapses in concentration. Apart from that we were by far the better team but our final ball was awful and then the players collapsed mentally after the VAR decision. If you think Wilder got the best of Jose today give your head a wobble.

Agree with you for the first half. Second half however we were shockingly clueless.
 

Ledley's Right Foot

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They are all highly motivated ahead of the Saudi takeover. Proof if ever of the importance of mentality in sport.

We seem to be having issues with motivation and confidence, and when paired with inadequate defensive players it's what has led to this clusterf**k of a season. I thought the first two games after covid showed promising signs of a recovery but that VAR decision completely shattered it all. Shows just how fragile we are.

I agree to an extent but this game was a classic spurs loss. We played well against United and west ham mainly because we kept it tight and played on the counter because we knew those teams were very capable of beating us if we played open. Then we come up against a team we "should" beat based on those performances. All we had to do was apply ourselves in the same way. However, instead of respecting their team, who have played together for 3 years and are very well drilled, we played open. We are good but not so good we can expect to go to a good premiership side and play open like that.

We want to see exciting, attacking football but our players are not as good as city and pool so unless we play smart, a result like that can (and (seems to) always will) happen.

It's that type of game that cost us the league under Poch and our players seem to have not learnt that there are no easy games for us. Play the same way we played against United and we get a 1-0 win from Kane in the 89th minute.

Whether we (fans) could accept that kind of play and game intelligence is another matter.

Mourinho is the perfect manager for getting us to play the way we need to right now but I doubt our fans would let him deliver the type of football we need to play to get points. Was gutted for the players tonight because it was a winnable game.

as for mentality, yep, they lost their belief in themselves, it was clear to see.
 

UbeAstard

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At the start Mourinho said ''I don't need players......I'm so happy with the players I have. I just need time to understand them better, to know everything about them.'' Was he just saying that (he must have inclined before being appointed) to ensure he secured the job at a club no longer known for splashing the bit bucks? We were probably the next best thing as he wasn't going to get positions at Manchester, Liverpool or Chelsea for the foreseeable future. Or did he totally overestimate the squad? I find it totally unbelievable that though we have weaknesses this squad isn't good enough to be better than this.
 

DenverSpur

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How many times this season have either of them looked like they are far, far better than the rest of the players in the team? Gareth Bale played out of his skin to try to drag his teammates kicking and screaming into the Champions League before moving to Real Madrid. In a team lacking in quality, creativity and ambition, he won games single handedly, gave us something to cheer about and deserved the step up he got.

This season, Kane and Son look no better than Lucas, Dele, Sissoko or any of the other players that are deemed not good enough. Performances from almost everybody have been generally awful this year, some players just have enough good will in the bank from previous seasons to cloud peoples' perceptions.

If Kane and Son think they are too good for us, it's about damn time they started to show it again.
Wish I could give this five “winners”
 

UbeAstard

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wolves have an identity. they are enjoyable to watch. We are a shell of a club.

Why would any young person choose this spurs team as the one to follow. shit at the back , shit up front, no nous in the middle. drink driving club captain goal keeper .awful right back who made homophobic comments in the past.



at least when we were shit in the past we had ginola, gazza,klinsmann berbatov to give us hope or at least something to stand up an applaud from time to time.

this team has nothing. consistently mediocre . even the games we win we look rubbish.

The last time we played superbly was the hiding we gave leicester at the end of 2018

Not Burnley earlier this season?
 

stormfly

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After that VAR decision I said I was done with football. Went out, stupidly checkEd on the score because I couldn’t leave it and now even more p***ed off. I really don’t know where we stand anymore? We have a manager in place for instant success but a board and club looking at success in about 5-10 years time. I’m so bored of waiting and confused about the signals we are sending? The money generated from the stadium will put us up there with the big boys in about 5-10 years but I’m just so tired of waiting. Is there really any point in keeping Kane if we are not going to try to challenge for a few years yet? I can be patience, I’ve been patience ever since 1991 really but please give us a plan and a hint that we are moving in the right direction. Not expecting much this summer but surely soon we’ll see a change?
 

UbeAstard

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He wouldn't have got sacked of they were. A lot of our players are average.

Keeper - Had better days but ok
Back 4 - Completely average
Midfield - Not the worst but far from complete. Only Gio really worthy
Attack - Kane World class, Son very good but a bit streaky. Bergwijn made a decent start

Nobody else is really top quality.

Who is top quality at Sheffield United? Or Norwich, Newcastle, Brighton, Southampton, Colchester, Wolves and Leicester? I wouldn't swap for any of those squad's who also have quite a few average players. Something more than just average players is wrong though they are playing their part. Look at the difference between Claude Puel and Brendan Rogers results with the same squad. I cant say its just the manager, but its more than just average players.
 

JayB

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They are all highly motivated ahead of the Saudi takeover. Proof if ever of the importance of mentality in sport.

We seem to be having issues with motivation and confidence, and when paired with inadequate defensive players it's what has led to this clusterf**k of a season. I thought the first two games after covid showed promising signs of a recovery but that VAR decision completely shattered it all. Shows just how fragile we are.
This group of players is finished together. The spirit has been gradually ripped out of them, starting when we sold Walker to a domestic rival. Then when we became the first club since the transfer window was implemented to go a summer without doing any business. The depleted squad that was left was absolutely run into the ground, Dembele (a talismanic figure within the dressing room) was sold without replacement, Eriksen visibly gave up on the project, and we suffered a gut punch in the CL final.

Poch wanted a clearout in the summer and didn't get it. The rot had set in and Levy, as has consistently been the case over the past few years, was too slow to react to it. It's still festering, changing the manager didn't fix it, and the only way forward is to ship out a number of the players and start again.
 

spud

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Does anyone know why we didn't get a foul for Lucas if they were disallowing the goal?

I believe the technical term for that is 'incompetence'.

We played well against United and west ham mainly because we kept it tight and played on the counter because we knew those teams were very capable of beating us if we played open.......
That's a matter of opinion, and not one that I happen to share.
 

fridgemagnet

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The majority of this squad cannot even mentally do the basics, let alone show fight, hunger etc. There are no leaders and no winners out there.

We have players out there that are on 90k a week plus that cannot reliably put in a decent cross, lift their heads up and play a fairly standard through ball, execute simple short passes. The amount of 4+ touches of the ball before passing out there is embarrassing. There's a lot of pass the ball dilly dally then wake up and move going on.

We have far too many "squad players" in our first XI and I'm being generous as a few of those certainly aren't "bench" level for a team that supposedly has such lofty goals as PL contenders/Top 4 team.
Unbalanced squad that quite honestly look like they've spent far too long together and wish they were anywhere else, a squad built around another managers identity and a manager that it seems as if a few of them view him as here short term.

I could dig out most of them today but Kane taking long range free kicks, madness.
Lamela ball roll ball roll step over step over completely miss the run being made and opportunity gone.
Lucas past one past two runs into traffic having missed the run being made. Or runs into Kanes space.
Aurier ffs a cross my kingdom for a decent cross, prove you're worth persisting with this lopsided shape to accommodate you, nope.
And on and on we go.
Lloris is no Captain, in fact I don't think I heard him communicate with Sanchez or Dier once all match!

And just to get it off my chest VAR can go piss up a rope, it seems more and more I'm seeing "levelling up" going on this season.
 

glacierSpurs

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Need at least 8 players sold to refresh the mentality and playing style of the team abit. Don't ask me who are the 8 players, we have more than enough candidates to fill.

On the other hand, I would rather we just play the kids TBH from now on. Really never know a couple of them may just turn up and bring some fighting spirit and hunger to this starving team to be groomed further. I really envy the youngsters chelscum managed when they got their transfer ban.
 

ebzrascal

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With what fucking magic money tree is he going to do that? We're down hundreds of millions of pounds. Anyone can spend infinite money and build a decent team. An actual manager is meant to improve what he's got rather than watching it regress. These players were good enough under the last manager, more than good enough.

What was Levy thinking not doing the deal for Bruno Fernandes. last summer and how did our people not know that NDomblele had fitness and attitude issues? On the money thing the Stadium will be bringing in money for the next 100 years and interest rates are incredibly low. Our wages as percentage of revenue is the lowest in the league. Levy not investing is going to cost the club money with no champions league next season and an early exit this season. Teams like Wolves and Leicester are now ahead of us and it is the fault of the chairman who was not brave enough to do what was needed..
 

ebzrascal

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The majority of this squad cannot even mentally do the basics, let alone show fight, hunger etc. There are no leaders and no winners out there.

We have players out there that are on 90k a week plus that cannot reliably put in a decent cross, lift their heads up and play a fairly standard through ball, execute simple short passes. The amount of 4+ touches of the ball before passing out there is embarrassing. There's a lot of pass the ball dilly dally then wake up and move going on.

We have far too many "squad players" in our first XI and I'm being generous as a few of those certainly aren't "bench" level for a team that supposedly has such lofty goals as PL contenders/Top 4 team.
Unbalanced squad that quite honestly look like they've spent far too long together and wish they were anywhere else, a squad built around another managers identity and a manager that it seems as if a few of them view him as here short term.

I could dig out most of them today but Kane taking long range free kicks, madness.
Lamela ball roll ball roll step over step over completely miss the run being made and opportunity gone.
Lucas past one past two runs into traffic having missed the run being made. Or runs into Kanes space.
Aurier ffs a cross my kingdom for a decent cross, prove you're worth persisting with this lopsided shape to accommodate you, nope.
And on and on we go.
Lloris is no Captain, in fact I don't think I heard him communicate with Sanchez or Dier once all match!

And just to get it off my chest VAR can go piss up a rope, it seems more and more I'm seeing "levelling up" going on this season.

I would sell/swap/release a good number of those players who I do not think are good enough over the next couple of windows...

Aurier - Can`t defend gives you a good cross every other game not good enough..
Sanchez - Rash defending and awful on the ball...
Lamela - Will break down again soon plus too one footed and lacks quality and vision in attacking areas...
Sissoko - Technically too limited to play in a two man midfield
Lloris - Has been good since the restart but has not been amazing for last couple of years
Vertonghen - Age has caught up with him

It is not like Levy has not had good options to top players.. Bruno Fernandes, Madison, Tielemans... why didn`t we push harder for Sancho when we sold City Walker etc...
 
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