Match Threads Sheffield United vs Spurs - Match Thread

[double0]

Brutally honest we need a massive clear OUT:

Moura - head down run (headless)

Vertoghen - legs gone

Davies - lacks overall quality

Aurier - to erratic

Toby - legs gone

Lloris - to erratic

Sissoko - like his application but not of the required standard.

Lamela--needs another challenge has over stayed plus injuries

My choices flip flops quite a bit but one things for sure we need big changes.


Get in
2 DM
CF
LCB
LB
RB
LWF


____New Keeper

Tanganga Sanchez LCB Sessengnon

Lo Celso DM Ndombele

Son Kane Alli

 

[DEFchenkOE]

Brutally honest we need a massive clear OUT:

Moura - head down run (headless)

Vertoghen - legs gone

Davies - lacks overall quality

Aurier - to erratic

Toby - legs gone

Lloris - to erratic

Sissoko - like his application but not of the required standard.

Lamela--needs another challenge has over stayed plus injuries

My choices flip flops quite a bit but one things for sure we need big changes.


Get in
2 DM
CF
LCB
LB
RB
LWF


____New Keeper

Tanganga Sanchez LCB Sessengnon

Lo Celso DM Ndombele

Son Kane Alli

We won't get far with that back 4. Tanganga not really a right back and Sess definitely not good enough as a left back. Allí in the front 3 not ideal either. We need a total overhaul.

 

[thefierycamel]

At this point it's basically

Lloris

New RB Sanchez new CB New LB
Lo Celso New DM Ndombele
Bergwijn Kane Son

Now sure, Toby and Dier could play CB, but the fullbacks absolutely need to be upgraded upon. Any wonder we're so fucking shit, maybe one or two starting quality defensive players in our whole squad. We've gone from peak Walker, Toby, Jan, Rose, and Wanyama to the absolute clusterfuck that we have now. Play Skipp, and play Cirkin for the rest of the season, we might actually get something worthwhile out of doing so. The season is a write off anyway.

 

[rupsmith]

I don't know - just totally low and deflated.

Poch had the team adopt an athletic style. Tall strong athletic but with sufficient footballing ability to get the ball in the net. Jose’s teams are tactical and are incisive in movement and ball play. But that needs play makers - and good ones. Not too many around. Lo Celso decent but when you have Sissoko and Lamela stumbling around and wondering what’s the round thing at their feet it doesn’t work. Eriksen was above average but he’s not Madrid Barca Bayern Juve.

Think Jose should be given time but new blood is clearly needed. Poch did a fantastic job and we have probably the best stadium in the world. This covid thing has not helped in terms of what is in the coffers but Jose clearly needs better players. Too many are poor footballers whose athleticism and intensity in the Poch era helped them fulfill their roles as part of a high line pressing strategy; but when you know that many of our players can never "replicate" the Sheffield United second or third goals its time for a change.

 

[Japhet]

Bring back the lockdown FFS!!

 

[ILS]

Brutally honest we need a massive clear OUT:

Moura - head down run (headless)

Vertoghen - legs gone

Davies - lacks overall quality

Aurier - to erratic

Toby - legs gone

Lloris - to erratic

Sissoko - like his application but not of the required standard.

Lamela--needs another challenge has over stayed plus injuries

My choices flip flops quite a bit but one things for sure we need big changes.


Get in
2 DM
CF
LCB
LB
RB
LWF


____New Keeper

Tanganga Sanchez LCB Sessengnon

Lo Celso DM Ndombele

Son Kane Alli

Unless that LCB is Virgil Van Dijk, that back four is not good enough for a top 10 premiership team which is what we are.

 

[Norgie]

I read a few pages of this thread last night but stopped myself from posting until this morning so I could give myself time to reflect. So on reflection I have calmed down quite a bit, yes it wasn't great, yes it was massively frustrating but I think we are overreacting. We need to give Mourinho time, he would have seen last night who can cut it in his team going forward and who can't mentally. He will also hopefully have given them a right talking to last night for their attitudes after the VAR decision (which is spoiling football massively btw). He has to have the summer (what there is of it) and we need to give him the chance to change things and freshen things up. I don't think there will be anybody more dissapointed than Mourinho himself with that last night.

 

[shelfmonkey]

I really can't believe how most on this thread can't seem to see the wood for the trees! That shower of shit last night spent the last 100+ days raking in their hundreds of thousands in cash while some of us 'ordinary' people have been Furloughed or lost jobs altogether!!! Yet all I see on here are people still putting in the effort, more effort than we seem get from the 'professionals' on the pitch, to argue pointless, meaningless views, when they should, imo, all step back and look at the bigger picture, that our PL players are far too pampered and detached from reality and that they DO NOT DESERVE our time and adulation!! I've had it up to the eyeballs with the self-aggrandising and superior, snobbish attitude of the PL, the clubs and, above all, the players!!! Football is no longer about FOOTBALL.

 

[cjsimba]

The thing I hated the most is for the first 2 of their goals you could see they were coming about 3 or 4 passes before the final shot. On both occasions I even said ‘goal coming here’ when they had the ball on the halfway line.

These were their first and only real attacks forward but we just looked so open and out of position defensively that a goal seemed inevitable on both occasions. It didn’t look hard to score against us at all, almost like training goals where it’s 6 attackers against 4 defenders and you expect the attackers to score as long as one of the them doesn’t fluff an easy pass.

So much for what seemed like a defensive turnaround after the first 2 games.

We just seem to have too many players who are mentally weak. Weak in the sense that their ability to control and pass a football disappears at the first sight of any pressure. Watching the city game afterwards it’s a different world - their players just look so much better on the ball doing the basics, control and pass. For the majority of our players I feel relief whenever they actually pass the ball to a teammate.

We know we have competent players - you see it when they warm up at half time, their touches and passes are immaculate. But once they step on the pitch all that confidence drains and they struggle to do the simple things right, let alone put together a move good enough for a goal.

Biggest culprits are Sanchez, Aurier, Sissoko, Lloris and Dier. All attacks start from the defence and if your defence is having to spend all their energy trying to do the basics right, you’ll get nowhere. It’s what made Jan and Toby so good. As well as defend they were so comfortable on the ball. We need ball playing defenders in urgently.

 

[SPURSLIFE]

After that VAR decision I said I was done with football. Went out, stupidly checkEd on the score because I couldn’t leave it and now even more p***ed off. I really don’t know where we stand anymore? We have a manager in place for instant success but a board and club looking at success in about 5-10 years time. I’m so bored of waiting and confused about the signals we are sending? The money generated from the stadium will put us up there with the big boys in about 5-10 years but I’m just so tired of waiting. Is there really any point in keeping Kane if we are not going to try to challenge for a few years yet? I can be patience, I’ve been patience ever since 1991 really but please give us a plan and a hint that we are moving in the right direction. Not expecting much this summer but surely soon we’ll see a change?

Don't hold your breath !

 

[DiVaio]

It is not like Levy has not had good options to top players.. Bruno Fernandes, Madison, Tielemans... why didn`t we push harder for Sancho when we sold City Walker etc...

Or we had ITK that Poch doesn't rate Maddison and Tielemans. And Bruno was always backup option for Lo Celso.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

I don't mind taking pelters for this next opinion.

Like the game at Leicester earlier in the season the game turned on not one but two decisions.

We can all make valid points about players, coaches, tactics, subs, boardrooms, training times, the months of the year, but I don't think you can deny how much of a difference one of those decisions actually falling in our favour would have made to the outcome of this game.

& it does factor in to the outcome of the game - I don't care what you label it as - luck being the one it probably best falls under - the idea you make your own has merit, but how do you create luck when those in officialdom can't get it right.

Yeh, I'm having a proper moan about this but if you remove the VAR 'handball' how Norwood gets to stay on the pitch when Sonny has been done twice by VAR this season is beyond me.

The fact we had to sit and wait for our consolation goal to be checked ...

 

[SpartanSpur]

This group of players is finished together. The spirit has been gradually ripped out of them, starting when we sold Walker to a domestic rival. Then when we became the first club since the transfer window was implemented to go a summer without doing any business. The depleted squad that was left was absolutely run into the ground, Dembele (a talismanic figure within the dressing room) was sold without replacement, Eriksen visibly gave up on the project, and we suffered a gut punch in the CL final.

Poch wanted a clearout in the summer and didn't get it. The rot had set in and Levy, as has consistently been the case over the past few years, was too slow to react to it. It's still festering, changing the manager didn't fix it, and the only way forward is to ship out a number of the players and start again.

I think you are right. The sad/scary thing is that I don't think we have the money or the manager for such a rebuild.

 

[dbspurs]

We have been playing this bad for 18 months now. Lucked into a Champions League final and blew it. Absolutely horrible away form and not much better home form.

I lay the blame mainly at the players who have weak mentality and seem to have forgotten the basic rudiments of playing top level football.

They threw Poch under the bus and Jose is next.

The rest of the blame lies with Levy who has failed to refresh a squad which has stagnated to the point now where we need to replace half the squad.

 

[daryl hannah]

Spurs came up against a better drilled team, drilled in defence, counter and dark arts.

Davies was particularly poor yesterday eve. Attacking - crosses that hit shins or found no one, defending, let the oppo in for first goal as he wasn't tight to his man and then didn't pick up mousset for their second. Nowhere to be seen for their third... oh that's right - he was hooked!

Moura for all his industry got us nowhere.

Aurier awful crossing.

It's no wonder nDombele wants out - his passing is so sublime, he must wonder what the fack he's signed up to.

 

[Trotter]

Just realiized that is the first time we have lost away to a promoted side for 8 seasons (24 games), and had won 19, drawn 4 of the previous 23

 

[SPURSLIFE]

I really can't believe how most on this thread can't seem to see the wood for the trees! That shower of shit last night spent the last 100+ days raking in their hundreds of thousands in cash while some of us 'ordinary' people have been Furloughed or lost jobs altogether!!! Yet all I see on here are people still putting in the effort, more effort than we seem get from the 'professionals' on the pitch, to argue pointless, meaningless views, when they should, imo, all step back and look at the bigger picture, that our PL players are far too pampered and detached from reality and that they DO NOT DESERVE our time and adulation!! I've had it up to the eyeballs with the self-aggrandising and superior, snobbish attitude of the PL, the clubs and, above all, the players!!! Football is no longer about FOOTBALL.

Sadly it hasn't been for 10years or more since the foreign Mega rich were able to come in and take charge and it will be like that for the foreseeable future. The title will be decided by the same 4 teams every year and we are not likely to be one of them. There was that one fluke when Leicester won it (and that should have been ours) but I doubt that will happen again.
The irony is we have a mega rich owner but unlike the others, wont splash the cash when needed and also appears to have no interest in football.

 

[Vincent30]

I think i've said this multiple times now, we just have no balance to our team.

Our CM area is shambolic. It's completely off and ruins the center of our team.
Our Full backs are so average for a top club that it kills us out wide.

On top of this we have Kane who is trying to find fitness and Son who plays 2 great games and 4 crap games. Son needs to take some responsibility as he has literally done nothing at all in these 3 backs since we have been back and he hasn't had to deal with injury problems.

We need to start at the back, a defence like this is attainable next year:

LB (unknown) Gabriel (Lille) Dier Castagne (Atlanta) / Baldock (Sheff United)

But those two additions alone will make us way more solid at the back. Gabriel is easily superior to Sanchez who gives away as many chances as Foyth and Stones, absolute nose bleed defender. Plus Castagne is a much better defender than Serge and has excellent delivery. Again, way less error prone. We get rid of Sanchez and Serge and we will look way less comical at the back.

Lastly just buy a DM, i'm so bored of seeing our comedy CM. We have players all over the place in there, it's horrible to watch. Sheff United and Wolves prove, a well balanced team with energy, Wolves being technically better. Is much more effective then big names and gaping wholes all over the place.

Its laughable how this isn't obvious to everyone at the club.

 

[thebenjamin]

I would sell/swap/release a good number of those players who I do not think are good enough over the next couple of windows...

Aurier - Can`t defend gives you a good cross every other game not good enough..
Sanchez - Rash defending and awful on the ball...
Lamela - Will break down again soon plus too one footed and lacks quality and vision in attacking areas...
Sissoko - Technically too limited to play in a two man midfield
Lloris - Has been good since the restart but has not been amazing for last couple of years
Vertonghen - Age has caught up with him

It is not like Levy has not had good options to top players.. Bruno Fernandes, Madison, Tielemans... why didn`t we push harder for Sancho when we sold City Walker etc...

I actually do believe not getting Sancho, which ITKs were saying was a done deal to us, is a tentpole moment in our steep decline. City wanted Walker, we had the perfect leverage to pull that deal unless we got Sancho, but we laid down and had our tummy tickled instead.

That was something a big club would never have done without getting what they wanted in return.

 

[thebenjamin]

Bring back the lockdown FFS!!

Life was a lot better without Tottenham playing. For me anyway.