Spurs and VAR

[Trotter]

If a attackers hand alters the trajectory and the direction of the ball resulting in a goal then it's extremely unfair to the defending team.

We want to stop incidents like these:

Well that was actually scored with the arm, so I would be for disallowing that goal (although perfectly legal at the time though).

 

[Shadydan]

Well that was actually scored with the arm, so I would be for disallowing that goal (although perfectly legal at the time though).

Hand/arm

Tomato/tomato

 

[Lighty64]

Well to be fair, that has always been the case in 150 plus years of football, until this season, countless goals have been scored down the years with an accidental handball included in the build-up, and has never been an issue.
I am firmly of opinion, the goalscorer should not be able to use hand (accidental or not) but if something occurs in the build-up that would otherwise go unpenalised, then it still should.

the thing is in all those years of football, a lot of those years if the ref saw it any contact on the hand was given as handball whether it was accidental or not.

once a rule has been made then that should be what happens, and there will always be confusion over the change, just like the offside rule. the only difference now is we have VAR (shame not all football) that means a very good chance it will be punished.

with the incident if it doesn't connect with the arm it goes straight to Ndombele, if it had hit Skipps arm and deflected to Ndombele we would of had a debate all week saying it should of been a penalty.

 

[fletch82]

Well to be fair, that has always been the case in 150 plus years of football, until this season, countless goals have been scored down the years with an accidental handball included in the build-up, and has never been an issue.
I am firmly of opinion, the goalscorer should not be able to use hand (accidental or not) but if something occurs in the build-up that would otherwise go unpenalised, then it still should.

Does not make it right though does it ?
No matter how long it's been got away with.

 

[Kingstheman]

Does anyone remember the first North London derby at the Emirates?

I do...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/6183214.stm

History will always remind us that Tottenham were beaten 3-0.

With VAR, we could have ground out an undeserved 0-0 (or lost 1-0) and the ‘benefit of the doubt’ would have been factual either way... and we would have been spared the lazy punditry informing us that, ‘although Arsenal should not have had 2 (not even 1) penalties and the first goal could/should have been given offside, Spurs were poor and could have no complaints...’ instead of, ‘Spurs dig deep and scrape a draw...’

Goals are the thing that matters most once a game finishes. The number of illegitimate goals should be minimised.

It only has to be like rugby... ‘is there any reason to not award a goal...?’

 

[waresy]

Looks like diving in front of your marker is now allowed!

Go...

 

[LeSoupeKitchen]

So we've got a system that is just for handball and to disallow goals when 1mm of a strikers ballbag is offside.

Blatent penalty after blatent penalty not given.

Always thought refs just didnt see these things. Now I know they are just totally incompetent.

 

[Lighty64]

I bet many where moaning about all 3 pen appeals, Son 1 close and if Dean gives it I doubt it gets overturned but would of been soft in my opinion. the Rose 1 not a penalty he made the contact.

How VAR doesn't overturn the 3rd 1 though I'll never know.

god looking forwards to what @MK Yid will post on this subject

 

[fletch82]

I see no point in it if it doesn't correct referee's mistakes and I use the word mistake very feckin loosely.

Well that's one for and one against this season wonder how it will work out by season end

 

[Spurrific]

Referees are too pussy to call “maybe” pens and expect VAR to overturn their cowardice, VAR is too scared to overrule the referee and nothing happens. Other than for handball and offside incidents, it seems to have no purpose.

 

[Lighty64]

Referees are too pussy to call “maybe” pens and expect VAR to overturn their cowardice, VAR is too scared to overrule the referee and nothing happens. Other than for handball and offside incidents, it seems to have no purpose.

to be honest I didn't expect Dean to give us a pen, which means he wouldn't be seen as a hero towards Spurs.

 

[Spurrific]

to be honest I didn't expect Dean to give us a pen, which means he wouldn't be seen as a hero towards Spurs.

I can’t remember the last time we won a game with the little pebble-headed chrome-dome **** officiating. He is so anti-Spurs to the point of obsession. How he still officiates our games is beyond me.

I’m not one for advocating violence, but if he fell over and really hurt his elbow I’d fucking rejoice.

 

[Klinsmannesque]

I see no point in it if it doesn't correct referee's mistakes and I use the word mistake very feckin loosely.

Well that's one for and one against this season wonder how it will work out by season end

Not really, because 1 was a hand ball and there’s actually a rule for that, and one was a clear penalty

 

[Neon_Knight_]

I bet many where moaning about all 3 pen appeals, Son 1 close and if Dean gives it I doubt it gets overturned but would of been soft in my opinion. the Rose 1 not a penalty he made the contact.

How VAR doesn't overturn the 3rd 1 though I'll never know.

god looking forwards to what @MK Yid will post on this subject

How is it soft to give a penalty for a player's (Son's) leg being clipped before contact was made with the ball? I wasn't aware the contact has to draw blood to result in a penalty...although I am starting to wonder after the "clear and obvious" foul on Kane.

 

[JCRD]

I dont think the Kane was a pen. I thought it was on first viewing but looking at it, Kane did do this thing he usually does which is to get his body into the foul so to speak.

Anyways, we got the decisions last week this week we didnt. We didnt lose because of it.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

I think it's a pen, why dive forward and press your arm across Kane if you're not trying to impede him? Just as Coco's was a pen last week against Rodri - thing is I doubt we'll hear half as much about ours as we did about City's that's the difference

 

[Spartanspurs]

I dont think the Kane was a pen. I thought it was on first viewing but looking at it, Kane did do this thing he usually does which is to get his body into the foul so to speak.

Anyways, we got the decisions last week this week we didnt. We didnt lose because of it.

You mean he tried to get his body across the defender as any player would to get himself more time and space to get the shot off?

 

[Spurrific]

I dont think the Kane was a pen. I thought it was on first viewing but looking at it, Kane did do this thing he usually does which is to get his body into the foul so to speak.

Anyways, we got the decisions last week this week we didnt. We didnt lose because of it.

Good point mate except it was definitely a foul

 

[fletch82]

Not really, because 1 was a hand ball and there’s actually a rule for that, and one was a clear penalty

I agree but I thought there was a rule for that as well.
Unless you're surname is souness or lescott or dean (the filthy shit )

I suppose it's would not even be much of a debate if we did not play utterly shit though

 

[branchie]

A clear penalty IMO. I didn't know you were allowed to rugby tackle an opposition player these days