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bceej

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I mentioned it in the transfer thread but Liverpool have a dedicated loan guy like we used to with sherwood.

We need a director of football to put these people in place. It’s just a mess behind the scenes with no defined roles. We know levy is a fan of the director of football model but Poch doesn’t like it. Levy needs to pull rank here and sort it out.

I think there is some consistency when it comes to where we send our players.

Since Poch arrived there are some trends:

Local loans - 5 to Stevenage, 3 to Southend, Peterborough and Colchester.
Particular managers - Mark Warburton (5 loanees), Phil Brown, Darren Sarll (3), and Lee Clark, Chris Wilder, Aitor Karanka, Tony Humes, Darren Way, Grant McCann, Sean Dyche and Steve Bruce two loanees each.

Additional notable managers we have loaned to include Marcelo Bielsa, Graham Potter, Daniel Farke and Gerardo Martino.

We are most likely to loan players to clubs managed by men called Darren or Steve.

We only have had 5 loans abroad for homegrown players.

Perhaps a couple of areas we could improve upon.
 
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I think there is some consistency when it comes to where we send our players.

Since Poch arrived there are some trends:

Local loans - 5 to Stevenage, 3 to Southend, Peterborough and Colchester.
Particular managers - Mark Warburton (5 loanees), Phil Brown, Darren Sarll (3), and Lee Clark, Chris Wilder, Aitor Karanka, Tony Humes, Darren Way, Grant McCann, Sean Dyche and Steve Bruce two loanees each.

Additional notable managers we have loaned to include Marcelo Bielsa, Graham Potter, Daniel Farke and Gerardo Martino.

We are most likely to loan players to clubs managed by men called Darren or Steve.

We only have had 5 loans abroad for homegrown players.

Perhaps a couple of areas we could improve upon.
I couldn't rate this twice but the bit in bold made me chuckle, but this is also interesting to read so thanks on both parts.
 

coys200

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Skipp definitely needs a loan in January he’s at a dead end. Can’t see him getting ahead of Ndombele Sissoko Winks Dier and that’s before you even consider Lo Celso dele eriksen that can play CM. 19 now he needs to stake a claim before start of next season.
 

allpaths

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Skipp definitely needs a loan in January he’s at a dead end. Can’t see him getting ahead of Ndombele Sissoko Winks Dier and that’s before you even consider Lo Celso dele eriksen that can play CM. 19 now he needs to stake a claim before start of next season.
Bennett also needs a loan, so he doesnt begin to stagnant as well. Big fan of his in an ideal world he'd be a legitimate option for the 1st team next asap.
 

Blake Griffin

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Bennett also needs a loan, so he doesnt begin to stagnant as well. Big fan of his in an ideal world he'd be a legitimate option for the 1st team next asap.

if we're being realistic though the earliest bennett goes on loan is the season after next.

let's see if he signs a contract first, i certainly wouldn't blame him if he didn't. parrott i think is signed up until 2021(?) but if he's smart he will use the reported interest from other clubs and force poch into playing him in the same way that hudson-odoi did to chelsea. some won't like it and will say it shows the wrong attitude/mentality or whatever but it's better than getting strung along for years waiting for something that might never happen.
 
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hero

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if we're being realistic though the earliest bennett goes on loan is the season after next.

let's see if he signs a contract first though, i certainly wouldn't blame him if he didn't. parrott i think is signed up until 2021(?) but if he's smart he will use the reported interest from other clubs and force poch into playing him in the same way that hudson-odoi did to chelsea. some won't like it and will say it shows a the wrong attitude/mentality or whatever but it's better than getting strung along for years waiting for something that might never happen.
I hope Troy will use it as well.
 
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if we're being realistic though the earliest bennett goes on loan is the season after next.

let's see if he signs a contract first though, i certainly wouldn't blame him if he didn't. parrott i think is signed up until 2021(?) but if he's smart he will use the reported interest from other clubs and force poch into playing him in the same way that hudson-odoi did to chelsea. some won't like it and will say it shows a the wrong attitude/mentality or whatever but it's better than getting strung along for years waiting for something that might never happen.
Just on Parrott, I wouldn't begrudge him twisting higher ups arms to get some play time, think he deserves making the bench and pinching some minutes considering the fact we never replaced Llorente and what he has shown this past 12 months that I have read about on here.

As ever you and the rest of the guys who post thoughts, info and general/feeling opinion, this thread is much appreciated.
 

coys200

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Bennett is only 17 and at least playing some football. The Pochettino snakes and ladder is generally stay in youth system till you’re 20 then loan or move into the lost zone at 17/18 and if you fail then go on loan. But considering our attacking options are currently maxed out bench wise and Clarke still to come in January or next season the pathway looks tough. Parrott can’t even get a bench place in a position that’s really obvious as an out and out 2nd striker. But nice to have a pacey exciting winger and got a bit of size about him now. Looks about same size as Parrott now.
 

Hakkz

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if we're being realistic though the earliest bennett goes on loan is the season after next.

let's see if he signs a contract first, i certainly wouldn't blame him if he didn't. parrott i think is signed up until 2021(?) but if he's smart he will use the reported interest from other clubs and force poch into playing him in the same way that hudson-odoi did to chelsea. some won't like it and will say it shows the wrong attitude/mentality or whatever but it's better than getting strung along for years waiting for something that might never happen.

Don't think anyone can blame them. Of course there is one thing demanding being part of the first team and starting, and another to get a proper chance to show what they can do. I really hope we start testing the best youngsters we have in first team games OR send them out on loan. Getting them stuck in limbo is so fucking frustrating.
 

GetSpurredOn

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We should be looking to get these higher rated players out at 18 years old, aiming at League 1 ideally or maybe a technical league abroad, so at 19 they should be playing championship assuming they impress sufficiently in the first year, then by 20/21 years of age they are ready to come back into the fold with 2-3 years senior football under their belt.
A clear defined progression plan like this would be welcomed I’m sure by the players, better than getting Poch Zoned. Should stem the flow of players away like Madueke, Griffiths, Kirby and Forson etc.
 

Anuth

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Edward's article from the times (cr @WindyCOYS from TFC forum)

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...if-you-make-mistakes-they-kill-you-ng3bzmqmr?

The sight of Marcus Edwards effortlessly gliding through a crowd of players before having a rasping shot tipped over sent shivers down the spines of those at White Hart Lane. Then 17, his natural flair in the No 10 position had impressed those at the Tottenham Hotspur academy and the expectation only increased when he was likened to Lionel Messi by Mauricio Pochettino on the eve of that League Cup tie against Gillingham in 2016.

But that was as good as it got. Edwards left Tottenham for Vitória Guimarães in Portugal for a nominal fee and a 50 per cent sell-on clause last month and he could play against Woolwich in the Europa League tonight.

Rather than his Tottenham debut being a defining moment, his manager’s comparison has proved a millstone. There have since been less favourable comments from Pochettino, who spoke of his “authority and behavioural problems”, and Daniel Farke, the Norwich City head coach who cut short Edwards’s loan spell at Carrow Road last year after he failed to arrive on time for a single training session.

So much has been said about Edwards and yet he is only 20 and has played only 30 matches.

Shy and softly spoken, he acknowledges mistakes in his attitude but says that he has been judged too quickly and unfairly. He says that he is a more mature player and person, capable of reflecting, since a loan spell at Excelsior in the Netherlands last season.


Before his debut against Gillingham, Pochettino said that Edwards’s “looks, body and the way he plays — [remind] me of the beginning of Messi”. “He had the right intentions,” Edwards says of Pochettino’s words. “I don’t really think about that. I can see why people think it could be positive but I don’t take too much interest in it. That is outside. When it came to the negative stuff, that was a bit harsh. I get judged and that is not fair.”

He joined Spurs aged eight. Sports-marketing companies soon banged on the door and he signed a three-year deal worth more than four-figures a week at the age of 18, the most for a teenager at the club. Pochettino came to regret the Messi comparison and in his book made those comments about Edwards’s attitude problems. “That was the bit that was harsh and set off rumours as I did not show any authority issues,” he said. “When I was growing up maybe I did have a bit of an attitude problem. When Poch said it I was a bit confused as I did not show that. I thought I had changed. In the academy they knew me from when I was young, it is different. When I went to Norwich it stuck. They kill you from there.”

Norwich cut his loan short after one game, coming on for six minutes in a defeat against Fulham. He was hindered by a back problem but Norwich were unhappy with his attitude. “It is a bit surprising, some of the things said,” he says. “Some things have tarnished me. If you say something like that in the media, it gets blown up. It was a bit harsh, unfair. It used to stop opportunities for me. Clubs saying that they were not sure and don’t want to take the risk. A bit crazy, I know. I am grateful to Vitória for the chance. No one wants to [waste their talent].”

He was seen as a mystery at first at Excelsior until the penny dropped at Christmas. His coach showed him an article which compared top English talents. It was critical of Edwards and praised Jadon Sancho at Borussia Dortmund. The club brought him out of his shell and let him control the music in the dressing room. Edwards buckled down and had the most dribbles and was the second most-fouled player in the league. “Decent,” he says. “Defenders changed and I could feel them trying to foul me.”

In the Netherlands he addressed criticism that he did not track back or do the mundane parts of the game. “When I was young I wanted to get to the top and always trained extra, but slacked off a bit of gym,” he says. “I learnt little things about being professional, not just skills. I watched players, listened. If someone says something that sticks, I write it in a book.”

Before he signed a four-year deal with Vitória he spoke to Sancho, his close friend. He lives alone by the training ground in Guimarães but has been helped by João Carlos Teixeira, once of Liverpool. “Jadon opened eyes for young players in what you can do if you dedicate yourself,” he says. “Players who didn’t make it go off, do well and are back in the limelight.”

Edwards has received favourable reviews in his first two matches. “I’ve slotted in quickly, the fans have taken to me and asked for signatures,” he says. “I can see myself getting games and can show my potential. The club want to win a trophy. As a kid you want to play in Europe.”

He kept the shirt from his Spurs debut. “I will be back in England playing [against Woolwich] but more importantly we need to win,” he says.
 
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edson

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Any views here on Dermi Lusala? Never heard of him before but he's meant to be quite promising
Still very young but You can see the talent he has and he is a good size for a RB, has pace likes to get forward and likes to play give and go passes.

Before the season had started I had never seen him play before and I knew he was a England player so I knew he should be a very good player, I have said that I think he has had a slow start to the season and I still think that because you can see there is more to come from him and he will get better as the season goes on but he has been a say a 6/10 in the league games so far this year and playing out of position in most of them games.

He has been playing LB with the u18s because of the Cirkin injury but now he is back it will be interesting to see what happens because Kallum Cesay has played so well at RB I would be shocked if they dropped him.

Kallum Cesay is older than Lusala and is a tall skinny player who is all arms and legs but he has been getting better with every game he has played and I am not sure he can be dropped with the way he has played so far this year.
 
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